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61 | why was it three days? | Job | RAVEN | 43380 | ||
To try an answer the question you have it would be nice to know what kind of answer you where looking for? The reason most undoubtly would be because Jesus had told His apostles that this must happen. And He made it plan that that it would be three days. Mark 10:33"Behold, we are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and to the scribes; and they will condemn Him to death and deliver Him to the Gentiles; 34and they will mock Him, and scourge Him, and spit on Him, and kill Him. And the third day He will rise again." Also it had been prophesied, Hosea 6:2"He will (1) revive us after two days; He will (2) raise us up on the third day, That we may live before Him. and confirmed, 1 Corinthians 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He was (1) raised on the third day (2) according to the Scriptures, But, also the three days and not three hours would have been needed to assure the people that He was indeed dead and then raised. We can see this when read of Jesus raising Lazarus, John 11 14Then Jesus said to them plainly, "Lazarus is dead. 15And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, THAT YOU MAY BELIEVE. Nevertheless let us go to him." 17 So when Jesus came, He found that he had ALREADY BEEN IN THE TOMB FOUR DAYS. This is the kind of proof needed for people to believe in Jesus. Further proof that they wanted to be sure He was dead is what Pilate says in Mark 15:42 "Now when evening had come, because it was the Preparation Day, that is, the day before the Sabbath, 43Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent council member, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, coming and taking courage, went in to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. 44Pilate MARVELED THAT HE WAS ALREADY DEAD; and summoning the centurion, HE ASK HIM IF HE HAD BEEN DEAD FOR SOME TIME. 45So when he found out from the centurion, he granted the body to Joseph. This is about as clear as we can understand why Jesus said three days. I hope this helps. Raven |
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62 | Can we say that all of the scriptures | 2 Tim 3:16 | RAVEN | 43260 | ||
Wow Hank!! If I didn't know better I'd think I wrote this. This was an excellent answer. Its a shame that so many do not follow it. Raven |
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63 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | RAVEN | 43054 | ||
Hello Joe, You wrote, Since He is God, He is obviously omnipresent, so indwelling cannot mean that He is physically somewhere He wasn't before (because this would mean that he was not everywhere before). So when Paul says that the Spirit of God "dwells" in us (Romans 8:9-11, 1 Corinthians 3:16), that must be speaking in a spiritual sense, regarding a different way in which the Spirit relates to and interacts with the Christian. Yes, I can see what you are saying if you keep with the scripyure that says: Colossians 3 16Let the WORD of Christ DWELL IN YOU RICHLY in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord. in view of this scripture, 1 Thessalonians 2 13 For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you RECEIVED THE WORD OF GOD which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also EFFECTIVELY WORKS IN YOU WHO BELIEVE. Now stay with me now, and see how this fits with the Holy Spirit and He communicates with us today. Read these next two scriptures: 1 John 3 9Whoever has been born of God does not sin,(that is, does not continue in sin for we know that we all sin) for His SEED REMAINS in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. Now what is the seed that remains, Luke 8 The Parable of the Sower Explained (1) 11 "Now the parable is this: The SEED is the WORD OF GOD. And the word of God is the bible. If you believe what I have stated then we are closer to same belief and knowledge of the bible than I previously thought. I hope that this true. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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64 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | RAVEN | 42969 | ||
Hey Joe, Yes, I agree that we become part of the body of Christ. My reason for saying that we do not join the church is because many denominations make it(in Gods eyes)easier to be saved(believe only or just accept Christ)than to become a member of their church, which usually requires baptisim at certain times of the month or the year. So you see being baptised does not join us to Christ if its not done in the correct and proper way. Some think the church is the building but its really the people inside. People join clubs,groups or sects, but you become a member of the body of Christ. Romans 12 4For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. Colossians 1 18And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence Secondly, just to clear up some things about how the Holy Spirit manefest itself today, when you say receive the Holy Spirit do you mean receive gifts or salvation? Or, do you mean that the Holy Spirit lives inside you literally? To better explain my view I need to know where you stand on this. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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65 | Is baptism done only once? | Eph 4:5 | RAVEN | 42735 | ||
Hello Joe, And I will continue to point out where you are in error. First, because the people of Acts 19 were baptised, this does not signal the joining of the church. The act of baptism is the culminating act of faith by believing in Jesus Christ where upon we receive remission of our sins. Acts 2:47 says the Lord adds to the church. Man does not join the church. Second, as for all post-Pentacost conversions receiving the gift of the Holy Spirit, you need to read the account of Philip and the Eunuch in Acts 8:34-39. Its says that the eunuch went away rejoicing but never says he received the Holy Spirit. These gifts where given out at the discreation of the Apostles who were proclaiming Gods word and had the gifts themselves. Also look at Simon, he also never received the gifts, for after he was baptied he continued with Philip and seeing all the miracles and signs he tried to buy with money. Read on and see what he was told: Acts 8 13Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done. The Sorcerer's Sin 14 Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, 15who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. 16For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. 18And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, HE OFFERED THEM MONEY, 19saying, "Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit." 20But Peter said to him, "Your money perish with you, because you thought that the gift of God could be purchased with money! 21You have neither part nor portion in this matter, for your heart is not right in the sight of God. 22Repent therefore of this your wickedness, and pray God if perhaps the thought of your heart may be forgiven you. 23For I see that you are poisoned by bitterness and bound by iniquity." 24Then Simon answered and said, "Pray to the Lord for me, that none of the things which you have spoken may come upon me." Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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66 | Why would someone get rebaptised? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 42606 | ||
Tim, Please show me a scripture that teaches how babies are to be saved. If we stay with your view point that belief is all that is needed for salvation, then tell me what infant you know of that is intellegent enough to understand this? Are you saying that all babies that die are destined for Hell? All I am asking for is a scripture that shows a conversion of a baby or even a child. For if it is as you say, that we are born sinners, then God would have made laws and commandments to take care of us. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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67 | Why would someone get rebaptised? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 42568 | ||
Hello Joe, Just one more for you to think about. If we go along with this view of "original sin" and "total depravity" how would you explain how Noah found grace in eyes of the Lord? Please read on, Genesis 6 5Then the LORD[1] saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. 7So the LORD said, "I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them." 8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. Now from this we can see that every thought of every man was only evil continually.Then how is it that Noah was spared he and his family and all the rest if mankind destroyed? If he was depraved and full of sin from an infant how did he manage to find grace in the eyes of God who cannot even look at sin without being angered? Raven |
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68 | Why would someone get rebaptised? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 42567 | ||
Hello Joe, I can see there is no need in debating this with you because you have been blinded by the Calvinist viewpoint. But let me say that as adults we are all sinners. Rom. 3:23 The first sin that was ever committed was by Adam and Eve. Eve first then Adam was decieved by satan. But we DO NOT inherit sin in this case "Original sin" from the sin that Adam committed. This is not biblical and the verse that you point out is from a prayer that David offered up to God for Him to forgive David his sins. But because of sin there is death and that is all. Look at this verse, Romans 5 Death in Adam, Life in Christ (1) 12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and DEATH THROUGH SIN, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned-- Now read this next part carefully, 13(For UNTIL THE LAW sin was in the world, but SIN IS NOT IMPUTED WHERE THERE IS NO LAW. Therefore the need for the Ten Commandments. So the people would know and be able to read and understand for themselves. We are not judged by what Adam and Eve did! You cannot show me a verse that says this. But you might find it interesting that the bible does say that each man is accountable for himself, Ezekiel 18 20 "The person who (1) sins will die. The (2) son will not bear the punishment for the father's iniquity, nor will the father bear the punishment for the son's iniquity; the (3) righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself. So by this you can see that you view of "original sin" is in direct contridiction of what the bible teaches. For sin is when we transgress the law of God and not just by being born. 1 John 3 4 Whosoever COMMITTETH sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. If on the other hand had it been like you say then David could not have made this statment about his son that died. 2 Samuel 12 22And he said, "While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, "Who can tell whether the LORD[1] will be gracious to me, that the child may live?' 23But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I SHALL GO TO HIM, BUT HE SHALL NOT RETURN TO ME." David was stating the fact that his son was in the arms of the Heavenly Father. These scriptures that I have shown would also show that "total depravity" is also not biblical. Anybody that can look into the eyes of their newborn baby and believe that it is "defiled" ,"depraved", covered in sin and utterly without hope unless they are sprinkled with a few drops of water has got some serious issues and needs to seek guidence!! Raven!! |
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69 | Why would someone get rebaptised? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 42022 | ||
Hello ElizabethFunke, I would just like to point out that the scripture where Jesus says in Matthew 19 14But Jesus said, "Let the little children come to Me, and do not forbid them; for of such is the kingdom of heaven." Does not in any way allow for infant, baby or child baptism. Now where in scripture does it show the conversion of a baby or a child. Nor does scripture teach that an infant is born into sin and therefore is defiled by sin. Jesus says in an earlier scripture: Matthew 18, 2Then Jesus called a little child to Him, set him in the midst of them, 3and said, "Assuredly, I say to you, unless YOU ARE CONVERTED AND BECOME AS LITTLE CHILDREN, YOU will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Therefore whoever humbles himself as this little child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven. 5Whoever receives one little child like this in My name receives Me. This scripture is one that shows proof positive that children are in a safe state until that have reached that age of understanding which you have already stated. Therefore there is no need for baptizing a child. Any such practice would be going against scripture. And the only need for be re-baptised would be if the person (adult) was baptised for the wrong reason. Such as being baptised to join a church and not for the remission of sins as shown in Acts 2:37-46. Because in the last verse in this chapter we see that the Lord adds to the church. And example of being re baptised because the first was not valed is this scripture: Acts 19 1 And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples 2he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." 3And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" So they said, "Into John's baptism." 4Then Paul said, "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. I hope this has helped shed some light on this subject. Raven |
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70 | Mathew 16:18--what is the "rock"? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 41837 | ||
Thanks angel-1 for answering my question. Raven |
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71 | Did Noah ask ? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 41742 | ||
Hello, I would like to suggest a website that would give you some material that can be referenced in the bible. Its apologeticspress.com , Bert Thompson and about five other well educated Christian men work at this place and put out different articles and liturature on Bible evidences. I think it would be well worth your time to visit this site. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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72 | Mathew 16:18--what is the "rock"? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 41741 | ||
Hello Angel1, I was going to say in my reply to you something about Catholics and the way they believe this scripture. But I was not that clear on the details. Is it something like they teach that the church was founded on Peters teaching and doctrine and not Jesus? Please write back if you know and explain to me. Thanks Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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73 | Been to every church? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 39806 | ||
Thank you for proving my point! Your frien in Christ, Raven |
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74 | Been to every church? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 39804 | ||
Hey Tim, You wrote, 1) There is no doubt that the gifts will cease. The Bible says so! However, when this will occur is not explained in any great detail. The indication is given however that this will not occur until full knowledge is obtained. I would say that the best guess (since it is not stated) would be sometime after Christ returns, probably the New Heaven and New Earth - where there will no longer be a need for the gifts. What scripture do you base your assumption on? And why do you think gifts are needed today? If a sign is needed for us to believe, then we have to say that the bible is not needed or is flawed in some way and that the Holy Spirit could not accomplish all that He says the bible is. Please read, Romans 16 Benediction 25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery kept secret since the world began 26but now made manifest, and by the PROPHETIC SCRIPTURES MADE KNOWN TO ALL NATIONS, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, FOR THE OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH-- 27to God, alone wise, be glory through Jesus Christ forever. Amen. 2 Timothy 3 15and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, WHICH ARE ABLE to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17that the MAN OF GOD MAY BE COMPLETE, THOROUGHLY EQUIPPED FOR EVERY GOOD WORK. You wrote, 3) We are never told that the apostles could distribute the Gifts of the Spirit. 1 Cor. 12 says that God does this as He wills. It was Gods will that they should give the gift of the Holy Spirit to those who believed and were baptised in the name of Jesus Christ so the Gospel would spread. Please read, Mark 16 The Great Commission (4) 14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18they[2] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." Acts 13:2-12 Acts 19 6And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied. You wrote, 5) I would disagree that the Bible is the only way that the Holy Spirit speaks to us. It is the only authoritative way, but He also speaks through: a) Circumstances, b) Our conscience, c) Other people, d) Preaching and teaching, e) ect... I can see that you might believe that the Holy Spirit might speak to us through the things you have listed. But a,b,c would have to do with if we have read the scriptures so we would understand what we are feeling and hearing. But "d", preaching and teaching is a way that the Holy Spirit communicates with us but not through the words of man but from the word in the bible. 2 Peter 1 21for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God[1] SPOKE as they WERE MOVED by the Holy Spirit. Notice the words "spoke" and "were moved". They are past tense. No were can you find a present or future tense when concerning the word of God. For we know, Romans 10 17So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. If there are those who can speak in toungues and have gifts from God then why do they not make themselves known to the rest of the world so that we may all know of the mysterys of God? Your friend in Christ, Roy Lindsey |
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75 | Been to every church? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 39718 | ||
Hello Tim, We have had discussions before and I have enjoyed them. I would like to say that 1 Cor. 13 does not say "the bible" is the "that which is perfect". But as you know this discussion is about speaking in toungues, and I think you would have to agree that this chapter says they will cease. It also says that prophecies will fail and knowledge will vanish away. But Paul who wrote this also said "And though I have the "gift of prophecy," and "understand all mysteries" and all knowledge,". Paul as well as the other apostles had these gifts and were able if they so choose to give these gifts to others in order to spread the gospel. But as we all will do some day they died. And if you read I am sure that you will find no place in the bible where provisions where made to allow these gifts to continue. Instead it says they will end. So what do we have to bring us to God? His word. We have the perfect complete inspired word of God in the bible. Interestingly enough Paul says in the book of Ephesians that when we read we can understand. Read what? The bible! The dispute is weather or not there are people who can speak in toungues. And the answer the bible gives is no. Unlike those people we read about in the bible who did not have the completed word, today we do and this how the Holy Spirit speaks to us, and thats the only way. Ephesians 3 The Mystery Revealed The Gentiles Are Fellow Heirs 1 For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles-- 2if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4BY WHICH, WHEN YOU READ, YOU MAY UNDERSTAND MY KNOWLEDGE IN THE MYSTERY OF CHRIST), 5which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets: 6that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel, 7of which I became a minister according to the gift of the grace of God given to me by the effective working of His power. So if its not talking about the bible being "that which is perfect" then what do you think its talking about? Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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76 | Can a divorced person remarry? | 1 Cor 7:15 | RAVEN | 39007 | ||
No, you are wrong in the case of what Paul has said. Nowhere does he say that the person has the right to remarry just because the unbeliever has left. The NKJV below states that the brother or sister in Christ is not under bondage in such cases. The word bondage means slavery. In other words the believer does not have to do as the unbeliever, so let them go if that is what they want. But it is up to the believer to hold to the marraige vows. That is why as even you have stated, Christ said no divorce "EXCEPT" for fornication. And thats it final. Christ is not going to say with the one exception of fornication and then let Paul come back and amend what he told them earlier. 1 Corinthians 7 Keep Your Marriage Vows 10 Now to the married I command, yet not I but the Lord: A wife is not to depart from her husband. 11But even if she does depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband. And a husband is not to divorce his wife. 12But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her. 13And a woman who has a husband who does not believe, if he is willing to live with her, let her not divorce him. 14For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy. 15But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart; a brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases. But God has called us to peace Now if you want to carry this verse further but staying in line with biblical teaching, if the unbeliver departs and then commits adultry with another then the beliver can by scripture divorce him or her. And that is it, no other exceptions for divorce. This is Gods way of keeping everybody from just marrying and divorcing a multiple number of times. And God allowed through Moses the people to write the certificate of divorce because of the hardness of their hearts. But Jesus sets them straight by saying, "Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. 6But from the beginning of the creation, God "made them male and female.'[1] 7"For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, 8and the two shall become one flesh';[2] so then they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate." Mark 10 So for this reason a man and a woman are married once until death. There can be no changing what scripture teaches. When a person decides for themselves that they are going to have their way about marraige and divorce they are in a sence de-throning God and in the end they will wish they had read what God said and listened instead of believing what man says and does. Romans 7 1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. Raven |
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77 | Andrew please explain? | 1 John 1:9 | RAVEN | 37597 | ||
Hello Andrew, Let me see if I can understand your angle on baptism. You say that the only reason a person is baptised is because they are saved. Is this correct? So then you adhere to the belief that one is saved be "accepting Christ" and baptism is just for show, is this correct? Then lets look at this, If I ask you to cut my grass and rake my leaves for this twenty dollars, would you have the twenty before you cut and raked or after? I think you see where I am going with this. Lets analize Acts 2:38. It says "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins". So they were to "repent" (cut grass)first, then "be baptised" (rake leaves)second, for the "remission of sins" (twenty dollars). Can you not see that a person is not in a saved state until the act of baptism is completed? The idea that baptism shows something to the world is just plan wrong. Baptism is for God and thats it, the world doesn't care about baptism. You see it is necessary for you to leave out two verses that tie the necessity of baptism together with salvation to try and make your point, even though you have twisted the meaning of Acts 2:38. And those are Mark 16:15-16 and 1 Peter 3:21. Mark 16 15And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes "and is" baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 1 Peter 3 21There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Its funny, the word "repent" isn't in Mark 16:16, but we all know that we have to. Yet in both scriptures Mk 16:16 and Acts 2:28 the word baptism is there bigger than life and the world still wants to ignore it. And in 1 Peter 3:21 it says "answer of a good conscience toward God" not to the world! I tell you with this kind of thinking, that one is saved before baptism a person hits himself going and coming because they insist on ignoring what the bible has said. And as far as the Lords Supper the bible teaches if you read on that the Apostles of Christ meet on the first day of the week to break bread not when they felt like it. Acts 20 Ministering at Troas 7 Now on the "first day of the week", when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight. Which corresponds to the first day of the week when Christ had risen from the tomb. Matthew 28 The Risen Christ (1) 1 Now after the Sabbath, as the "first day of the week" began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb. However we being 21st century Christians should follow the examples of Jesus and His apostles and it says, Acts 2 42And they "continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine" and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers. I hope that I have been able to encourage you to rethink your stance on baptism and on the Lord's Supper. It is important that we stay with what the scripture teaches or else we are worshiping in vain. Matthew 15 9And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men."'[1] Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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78 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36969 | ||
Hello Steve, Here again is a prime example of not reading the entire measage of the Gospel. Picking and choosing that which we want to believe and throwing the the rest out. The bible also says this about faithful Abraham: Hebrews 11 (1) 8 By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. 9By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; 10for he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God. It says that by faith Abraham "OBEYED" And on in to the same book it says: Hebrews 11 The Faith of the Patriarchs (1) 17 By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac, and he who had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, 18of whom it was said, "In Isaac your seed shall be called,"[1] 19concluding that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead, from which he also received him in a figurative sense. And this passage says Abraham "OFFERED UP ISAAC" Both passages show a "work of faith" and thats the kind of works we need! Not of somthing we can boast about as in Eph. 2:8. We must obey from the heart! Romans 6 17But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you "obeyed from the heart" that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. Yes Abraham was faithful but not faithful to the point of doing nothing. This next set of scripture says that Abraham was "justified by works". Faith working together with works faith is made perfect. James 2 Faith Without Works Is Dead (1) 14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? 15If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, 16and one of you says to them, "Depart in peace, be warmed and filled," but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? 17Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. 18But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your[1] works, and I will show you my faith by my[2] works. 19You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble! 20But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?[3] 21Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22Do you see that faith was working together with his works, and by works faith was made perfect? 23And the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness."[4] And he was called the friend of God. 24You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only. 25Likewise, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? 26For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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79 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36878 | ||
Ok lets look at the conversion of Saul. And see what he did and must have been told to do. Acts 9 6So he, trembling and astonished, said, "Lord, what do You want me to do?" Then the Lord said to him, "Arise and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do." 15But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen vessel of Mine to bear My name before Gentiles, kings, and the children of Israel. 16For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My name's sake." 17And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus,[2] who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit." 18Immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he received his sight at once; and he arose and was baptized. 19So when he had received food, he was strengthened. Then Saul spent some days with the disciples at Damascus. Saul Preaches Christ 20 Immediately he preached the Christ[3] in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God. Now here we see that Saul(Paul) was baptised and went and preached the Christ. Another conversion was Lydia. The bible says, "The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul. 15And when she and her household were baptized" The scripture you quote is very similar but you are twisting it a bit by not reading it in context. It says: "30And he brought them out and said, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" 31So they said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household." 32Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. 33And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized." Notice Paul it says they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all who were in his house. He and his family had to be preached to first so they would understand Jesus. Then the next scripture says: "33And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their stripes. And immediately he and all his family were baptized" Now I might ask you the same question. Did Jesus make an inaccurate statment? Why did He say be baptized if it wasn't needed? I think you can see that one is no good without the other. In each of the above examples the word of God was preached resulting in baptism of the believer. It cannot be denied. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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80 | Raven and John Reformed, Baptism? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 36850 | ||
continued.... Yes we must do all that the Lord has commanded including being baptised or as Jesus said we are worshiping Him in Vain! Matthew 15 9And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men And Jesus said, Mark 16 15And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned And that is exactly what the Apostles did on the Day of Pentacost. They preached the Gospel to them and they said Acts 2 37Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Men and brethren, what shall we do?" 38Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit 41Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them and later we read that the Lord is the one who adds to the church. Verse 47 "And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved." No matter how hard anyone trys to take baptism out of salvation you still can't do it. Baptism is the thorn in the side of denominationalism. It always has been and always will be. Jesus said John 15 18 "If the world hates you, you know that it hated Me before it hated you. 19If you were of the world, the world would love its own. Yet because you are not of the world, but I chose you out of the world, therefore the world hates you. Just as God set up Laws in the Old Testement to live by the New Testment is our Law and its the only Law. No wonder Jesus said Matthew 7 13 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it. Your friend in Christ, Raven |
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