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21 | WHO is Hebrews 6:4-11 refering to? | Heb 6:4 | Not yet | 151051 | ||
A belated thanks, Hank | ||||||
22 | Once saved always saved is this true? | Heb 6:4 | Not yet | 152576 | ||
All the verses you quote, have one thing in common. Obedience. Would it be better for one to say something IS in scripture when it is NOT, or perhaps simply to quote the scripture from both sides of a coin such as this? It seems most choose to quote scripture from the side that they, for whatever reason, choose to take. Wouldn't we be more likely to glorify His name in advocating obedience rather than saying one can be obedient then choose not to obey the Word, and still make it into Glory? IN Him NYP |
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23 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151555 | ||
Original Question: Why can we not just be Christians; All members of one body; the body of Jesus Christ, our savior? Kalos responded: Answer: Foreknowledge 'Occasionally someone will suggest that God's election is based on His foreknowledge of certain events. This argument suggests that God simply looks into the future to see who will believe, and He chooses those whom He sees choosing Him. Notice that 1 Peter 1:2 says the elect are chosen "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father," and Romans 8:29 says, "whom He foreknew, He also predestined." And if divine foreknowledge simply means God's knowledge of what will happen in advance, then these arguments may appear to have some weight behind them. '....But that is not the biblical meaning of "foreknowledge." When the Bible speaks of God's foreknowledge, it refers to God's establishment of a love relationship with that person. The word "know," in both the Old and New Testament, refers to much more than mere cognitive knowledge of a person. Such passages as Hosea 13:4-5; Amos 3:2 (KJV); and Romans 11:2 clearly indicate this. For example, 1 Peter 1:20 says Christ was "foreknown before the foundation of the world." Surely this means more than that God the Father looked into the future to behold Christ! It means He had an eternal, loving relationship with Him. The same is true of the elect, whom we are told God "foreknew" (Romans 8:29). That means He knew them--he loved them--before the foundation of the world.' (www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/election.htm) Grace to you, Kalos * * * * * * * * * * * * * Not Yet responded: Thank you Kalos. Though it appears there is room for doubt, I feel strongly that you have proven my position. There are many "positions" in scripture, which cannot be proven absolutely. I feel personally that these passages are of little consequence to those of us who are firmly rooted in Christ. However a doctrine such as this, can easily dishearten the sinner who feels unworthy, or even a week child of God. Still, dear brother, you did not answer my question. “Why can we not just be Christians; All members of one body; the body of Jesus Christ, our savior? “ I prefer an answer as biblically founded as possible. |
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24 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151559 | ||
Though the exact words are not in scripture, I have read the thought therein. Ie., greed, gluttony. I cannot currently put my finger on the passage, but when I do, no doubt, this thread will more than likely be long forgotten. | ||||||
25 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151565 | ||
Yes, dear brother we already are, but just as in the days of the Apostles, there is so much division. So then, how can a house divided, stand? I know that the Church will never fall, but there are so many within, who are conforming to the ways of the world, and so few who seem to care enough to “fight the good fight.” You state, "You wrote, " There are many 'positions' in scripture." That is not true. There are many positions held by man men. The Scripture does not hold positions. The Scripture is truth revealed. God has communicated coherently and clearly.” Perhaps I could have worded my statement more appropriately, but I would like for you to show me where scripture gives an absolute answer to the "once saved, always saved" question, or the doctrine of Grace and predestination. No doubt you can show me what "you consider" an absolute answer, I can too, but then there is much scripture which can be provided to cast doubt on either of our assertions. There is no doubt that “God has communicated coherently and clearly,” but no one can truthfully make the statement that there is any one particular individual who understands “all His communications, coherently an clearly,” thus I stand behind my statement, " There are many 'positions' in scripture." Yet I will reword it to say that there is much in scripture, which has many interpretations to choose from, numbers of which, are scripturally founded... Until our eyes are opened, who can say which is the correct interpretation? Bottom line, Proverbs 3:5-6. I would love to see the "doctrines of the necessity, clarity, and sufficiency of Scripture." Even more so, I would love to meet the man who has mastered them. Oh, there are many who profess, and many who, no doubt do know much, butI simply do not believe that there is anyone on the face of the earth who fully understands the whole of the word of God. |
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26 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151566 | ||
No Doc. I can't remember where it was. It has been many years, but I am sure that the meaning was sumed up in my paraphrasure. | ||||||
27 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151567 | ||
Doc, I do not like to use the terms “I believe and I feel” when referring to scripture, but though I did use them, my statements are biblically founded. “I believe” there has been adequate scriptural references to prove this assertion. It is odd. When I did not use those terms, I was called arrogant. Now, I am reminded that "In the Study Bible Forum we study the Bible, not feelings, let alone personal ones." You imply that I speak from personal feelings, brother. Though you may disagree, can you not see the validity of my words? No doubt, if it the time isn't here already, it can't be far off, for the preperations are so visably in place for when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; (2 Timothy 4:3) Humbly NYP |
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28 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151729 | ||
Well Doc, it's been over 30 years since I did that tid bit of research. Who knows? Perhaps I have had it wrong all these years. Perhaps I shouldn't feel so bad for getting rounder and rounder after all. Either way, I've lived many years with that phrase in mind, and I have found that "anything done to the excess" does tend reverse the initial goal, make one a glutton, or worshiper of one sort or another, which is sinful, or just plain burn one out. In Him. |
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29 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151733 | ||
Thanks Angel, but that's not where I got it. I derived the thought either from the KJ or NIV. It probably had something to do with moderation. In Him |
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30 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151737 | ||
"Professing to be wise, they became fools." Oh no! Not another of this sort, I pray. What I had in mind, dear brother Ray, was once, myself to speak in such a manor as to put others down, as your words appear to do. I thought I was doing what was right, but my conscience was seared. Then I ran across 1 Peter 3:16 and my eyes were opened. What have the words of your post accomplished? Who do they glorify? I pray that all those such as we, can have our eyes and heart opened to the depths of His trurh. In Him |
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31 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151742 | ||
I can't help but to chuckle at your post. The same thought you exude, crossed my mind when I made that statement. Actually, you sound like myself. I was surprised when I was called first called a Calvinist. Then I did a little studying on the label. What little I did study concerning Calvinism, seems to pretty much agree with what I have come across in scripture. But... If you noted, I made the comment that I "tend" to lean toward the Calvinist way of believing. Perhaps I should have stated that, from what little I have studied of Calvinism so far, it "tends" to agree with my scriptural studies. (Check out the book WHILE MEN SLEPT, by Kerby Fannin, Ph.D.) You will find it quite enlightening concerning early church doctrines. When it comes to scripture dear soul, you will find that I will do my best not to argue it. For I firmly believe that “if a fool and a wise man are arguing, who can say which is which?” I love to discuss scripture, but I don’t feel that the word is arguable, only mens ideas concerning it. And as I, you have every right to believe what you believe. You may be right. I may be right. As long as we are not teaching against him, are we not teaching for Him? By the way, I am not a Calvinist. I can’t help it if someone named Calvin read the bible and understood what it said before I did. I prefer the word “scriptural(ist),” for if it is in scripture, I believe it, otherwise it is not worth the paper it is, or isn’t written on… I really don't know how my post got switched to election. I was simply s little depressed over the squabbling in the body. thus my topic in comparrison with the ULTRA-this and that way of today's society. In His name. |
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32 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151744 | ||
Are you stating that it is your view that everything in scripture is plain and simply, cut and dried, easily understood by all who read, as simple as 2plus 2 equals 4? Forgive me if I sound like a dumb old country boy, but that is just exactly what I am. If I failed to quote the scripture, it is because I would have to quote page after page, and I took it for granted that those who read my post were familiar with the passages concerning my references. ie. Passages concerning eternal salvation, loss of salvation, the doctrine of grace and election, etc. Such topics as "once saved, always saved" have been debated to no end, and there is still no firm conclusion, which is biblically founded. Many emphatically state that it is this way, then quote their scripture, while others just as emphatically, state that it is that way, and they provide just as much convincing scripture as the opposition to their statement. Surely you understand my words. I know the answer that I seek. It is in scripture, and if I am not mistaken, I have quoted it already. I simply wanted to promote a discussion along that line. In Him |
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33 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151787 | ||
Doc. You are using words, names and such, which I have never heard of. I have no doubt that the "Nicene and Apostolic creeds" are scriptural, and mean something to someone. Were I familiar with them, they might even mean something to me. No doubt they are said to articulate specific scripture, and are affirmed by many. Perhaps they are everything they are said to be, but they are not scripture. Where, dear brother does my assertion differ from an original of mine? I have never made a comment, which would oppose the one you quote... And why do you include "gibberish such as �" when quoting my words? I do not think you understand them at all? Perhaps we should end our conversing on a pleasant note, for they do not appear to be heading in a direction which will be glorifying, Your scriptural quotes imply that you simply do not understand my words. It should be noted as well, that many are "Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." 2Ti 3:7 I will be looking forward to your postings. In His Loving name. |
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34 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151789 | ||
Scripture says what it means and means what it says. The Word, is not relative. It is absolute, but even absolutes have comparisons. The fact that one can associate personal experiences in life with scriptural depictions, and learn from the comparison, does not make their conclusions incorrect, as long as they do not differ from the line of scripture. Scripture can mean many different things to different people, depending on the current happenings in their life at one particular time. When one studies something, they attempt to understand and master the fundamentals of that something. Understanding and mastering the fundamentals of scripture is just like graduating college. One can use what they have learned and build on it, or simply spread what they know as a teacher. In the case of scripture, hopefully the teacher will be led by the Spirit. Teachers do not always have the benefit of experience. They tend to teach what they have been taught, and consider everything else superfluous, incorrect or irrelevant. . Romans 15:4 For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope. Who can say that learning cannot come from association? In His loving Name. |
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35 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151793 | ||
Thank you dear brother. Perhaps we do not disagree after all. It is all in the use and structure of the words presented. It seems that the word "extreams" keeps poping up in a negative sense. This puts me in mind of a word I used in another post "ULTRA," or anyhing done to the excess. It appears that the result of these "extreams" fits one of my definitions of the word "sin." I am a big fan of the CRI. In Him |
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36 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151795 | ||
To fight with you for unity would not be to fight with you, but to fight the evil within the both of us, both our flesh. Dear soul, you have hit the nail on the head. Though I have read this passage time and again, I had only underlined the words "that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you." Normally I highlight something which strikes me. I did not know how deeply that passage had struck me. It has been as a prick in my heart for many years. My heart bleeds when I see two brothers arguing, or I cannot get my point across in a manner a brother can understand. Often we are saying the same exact thing, only in a different manner, yet it seems that we simply cannot come to a mutual understanding. Can you see the irony? I do not wish to state that I know everything when it comes to the Word of God, but what I do know, I know it to be the truth of God. If what I know to be truth, another disagrees with, I feel it is my duty to at least make an attempt to come to a mutual understanding. Who knows? I might learn something. If we cannot, so be it. It is no reason for division. Who cares if what some believe concerning once saved, always saved, is true or false. If one is walking in the will of God, it is of no concern to him, unless perhaps it pertains to a loved one. Then all parties involved would be of more use to the loved one by prayer, than debate. So what if predestination is, as some believe. Scripture states that, ”he who stands firm to the end will be saved.” Matthew 24:13 And “The LORD is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth.” Psalm 145:18. So as long as one knows he/she knows and calls on Him in truth, what difference does what someone else believes make? Proverbs 3:5-6 were included in scripture for a reason, and I personally lean on them heavily. Thank you dear brother. In His Loving Name. |
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37 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151797 | ||
Well Doc. No doubt research is of value, but what does one find but the "adages, aphorisms, and attitudes" of someone else. What can I quote you from research which does not fit the above category, but scripture? I research when I am looking for an answer. That my words are my words, and not the adages, aphorisms, and attitudes of someone else, gives them value. That others may not reconize the validity of my words, is that to my discredit, or theirs? It has been said that "Not Yet" presents the picture of a dumb country bumpkin, but that there is more than meets the eye. What, dear brother do you suggest that I research? May I ask Doc, do you, as many do, dislike truth when it is concise, simple and to the point? Is scripture not often metaphorical? Does it not often embody common observations? What is it that makes my "adages, aphorisms, and attitudes" farther from scripture than what is to your liking? In His loving Name |
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38 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151869 | ||
If it is not in scripture, my friend, it is secondary. Necessary as one may consider it, edifying as some may think it, it is secondary. I, dear sir, understand perfectly well, the implications of my words. It is funny how I felt the same concerning yours, but I chose to mention it a little less abruptly. How one who reads my words, or chooses to take what he/she considers the implications thereof, is totally up to that one. It is apparent that you simply do not understand my words, and choose to take offence at what you do not understand. I am sorry, for I have spoken kindly and respectfully to you as well, sir. That you should consider my words otherwise, saddening as it may be, it is of little consequence, for I am sure we will both get along very well without the other. This is a prime example of my topic. I choose to forget it, and go on as though this, and our previous postings have never occurred. Though I am not sure why we end up as we so, I will take the experience gleaned from them to heart. May He multiply His blessings on you and yours, dear brother. |
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39 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151874 | ||
Thank You Doc. I like to say concerning salvation, that "in these complicated times, we often fail to comprehend the simplicity of the Word." In Him NYP |
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40 | Why can we not just be Christians? | 1 Pet 1:2 | Not yet | 151881 | ||
Your words, dear soul, are more meaningful than the average reader could possibly see. Should civilization choose to concentrate, and act on them, as they do things of so little consequence, mankind would come closer to Him. I do not believe it will ever happen though. I would love to see someone produce a scripturally founded statement contrary to this thought. Not one interpreted as such, "a scripturally founded statement contrary to this thought..." The Rapture will come, (Come soon Dear Lord!) then the awful times of Tribulation, the Armageddon, and finally, the Millennium. Then, and only then do I believe such desires as what we have noted, can come to pass. No more could they come to pass in this generation, than in that of Noah, or of Sodom and Gomorrah. No doubt, the flood was the end of evil, in the day of Noah, fire and brimstone in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah, and the Rapture will be the end of this day. (Come soon Dear Lord!) In His Name. |
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