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421 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 68234 | ||
Thanks BradK I have looked at the meaning behind those verses Here is an added bonus for you and others Especially interesting is the last paragraph Different Bible Versions rendering of John 15:2 and 15:6 King James Version - taken away in verse 2 and cast forth in verse 6 Amplifed Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown out in verse 6 New American Standard Version - takes away in verse 2, and thrown away in verse 6 NIV Version - cuts off in verse 2, and thrown away in verse 6 Contemporary English Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 New King James Version - takes away in verse 2 and cast out in verse 6 The Living Bible Translation - lops off verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 Revised Standard Version - takes away in verse 2 and cast forth in verse 6 Todays English Version – breaks off in verse 2 and thrown out in verse 6 Gideons International Bible Version - cuts off in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 Weymouth Translation – takes away verse 2 and thrown away verse 6 Youngs Literal Translation – take it away verse 2 and cast forth verse 6 Darby – takes it away verse 2 and cast out verse 6 World English Bible – takes away verse 2 and thrown out verse 6 Websters Bible – taketh away verse 2 and cast forth verse 6 Basic English Bible – takes away verse 2 and becomes dead verse 6 J.B.Phillips New Testament Version - removes in verse 2 and broken off in verse 6 The Jerusalem Bible Version - cuts away in verse 2 and thrown away in verse 6 The Greek word for take in John 15:2 is "airo", which means "to lift, (see Gen. 40:19 N.I.V.) carry, take up or away. It is also use in John 1:29 of Christ as "the Lamb of God which taketh away the sin of the world," and the same use of the word can be found in 1 Cor. 5:2 which reads: "And ye are puffed up, and have not rather morned, that he that has done this deed might be taken away from among you." (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words) In John 15:2 the word away is used in connection with various verbs such as "take away" and is translated "away with" implying a forcible removal for the purpose of putting to death. (Vine's Complete Expository Dictionary Of Old And New Testament Words) Blessings my friend |
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422 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 68236 | ||
Nobel Kam Aixen concerning your statement; "eternal life to those who believe. This is based on the fact that they have repented of sin and does not yet depend on their future faithfulness and service." If eternal life does not depend on remaining faithful to the end, as you have suggested, then the Bibical teaching about persevering in the faith, and running the race of faith is just taking up unnecessary space in Scripture. I feel the need to remind you that the hero's of the faith mentioned in Heb. CH. 12 not only started out in the faith but they also persevered in the faith until they died. They also died in the faith, Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. and have been set forth as our example to follow. Heb 12:1 ¶ Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Faith is about endurance, and is for those who remain faithful and are overcomers. Rev. 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. |
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423 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 68312 | ||
You said: "It’s all up to him, and he is able. I am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed to him." I could say to 600 people; I am able to take you from New York to London, if you get aboard my ship, however if somewhere in between New York and London, one of you either fell over board, or jumped over-board and drowned, that would not reflect negatively upon my ability to have taken you all the way to London. I still would have been able to get you to London had you remained aboard my ship. The other 599 people remained in the ship and I was able to take them the full distance to their final destination. Blessings New Creature |
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424 | is there security of the believer | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 68324 | ||
Lets not read more into "He is able" than what is written "He is able" means exactly that. The secondary part that must be considered is: Are you willing? Or since becoming saved are you now a puppet, or robot, that is unable to still make choices? Blessings New Creature |
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425 | Reconciling Rom 8:39 with Heb 10:26 | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 116535 | ||
Huron; I agree with you that an act of sin won't separate us from His love or His family. However I do believe that unconfessed sin does separate us from felllowship. In order to be restored to fellowship, we need to confess any known sin, and allow the blood of Jesus to be the cleansing agent that washes away the stain of sin. 1 John 1:6,7,9 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Blessings New Creature |
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426 | Reconciling Rom 8:39 with Heb 10:26 | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 116536 | ||
kalos I would respectfully disagree with the commentaries you posted concerning the text in Hebrews. The author of the Epistle to the Hebrews was speaking to individuals who had converted from Judiasm, and had become Jewish Christian's, but were now considering returning to Judiasim. Even in the following verse, those mentioned are said to have been sanctified. Santified in my understanding, means set apart, separate. I would personally say that the individual's didn't merely draw close to salvation, and then turned away before receiving it. I think that the whole Epistle to Hebrews when fully taken in the context it was written. Why was it written? To whom was it written? etc. etc. it must be taken as a warning letter to prevent apostasy. No hypothetical warning concerning apostasy as many believe can be drawn from this letter. Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? Blessings New Creature |
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427 | Reconciling Rom 8:39 with Heb 10:26 | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 116606 | ||
Huron; I agree It is true that God will never leave or forsake us. However I too believe that we can forsake Him Blessings New Creature |
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428 | Reconciling Rom 8:39 with Heb 10:26 | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 116644 | ||
kalos; I have no problem with the thoughts from the following commentaries you posted. Actually I agree with the following comments you posted. "'For it is impossible to restore again to repentance those who have (done all these things in Heb. 6:4-5) and then have fallen away...Those who want to make this verse mean that believers can lose salvation will have to admit that it would then also say that one could never get it back again' (MacArthur Study Bible, Word Publishing, 1997). '...it is impossible to restore [them] again to repentance..." ' . . . logically v. 4 implies that if salvation were to be lost, it would be impossible for that person to be born again, lose it, and then be born again again." I must step up to the plate and declare, that if one were to do a careful exegetical study on the Epistle to Hebrews, you couldn't help but conclude, that those mentioned in Heb. CH. 6 and CH. 10 could only be referring to individuals who actually converted from Judiasim to Christ, and were considering return to Judiaism. Nevertheless, they were true Christian believers. As the Heb. 6:4 text says, they were made "partakers (fellow sharers) of the Holy Spirit" Then in Heb. 10 it says describes those addressed as being "sanctified." I can't understand how somebody can possibly conclude that those mentioned were not true believers. That intrepretation appears to myself and others, to be in direct opposition to the natural flow of the text, and also of the entire Epistle. This will be my last reply to this thread, because this has all been discuused to the max in previous threads, and I would just as soon have others in the forum do a search for what both sides believe and have already said concerning this subject. Blessings New Creature |
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429 | What is blocking us from God's love? | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 181342 | ||
Then why does Scripture say; John 15:9 Remain in My love. Joh 15:10 If you keep My commands you will remain in My love, Jude 1:21 keep yourselves in the love of God, and Isa 59:2 but your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, so that he will not hear. |
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430 | What is blocking us from God's love? | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 181363 | ||
I really don't see how that answers my question The verses I mentioned were not contrasting true believers with false believers. The verses were addressed to believers without distinction. Where do you find the contrast in the verses I used? |
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431 | What is blocking us from God's love? | Rom 8:39 | New Creature | 181441 | ||
We have a personal relationship with Christ. Is this relationship unilateral, or bi-lateral. For that matter are any relationships except self-love uni-lateral? The following words come straight from the mouth of Jesus John 15:9 "As the Father has loved me, I have also loved you. Remain in My love. John 15:10 If you keep My commands you will remain in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commands and remain in His love. In verse 9 we see the command to "Remain in His love" In verse 10 we are told how we remain in His love. Obedience does not lead to salvation by works. Obedience is merely the by-product of having been saved. It's what a genuine saved person naturally does. Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them. Titus 3:8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. James 2:17 faith, if it have not works, is dead James 2:20 faith without works is useless James 2:26 faith apart from works is dead. |
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432 | Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? | Rom 9:21 | New Creature | 61424 | ||
JRdoc: I pretty much agree with this post of yours. I don't find very much to dispute over what you posted. The only thing I might add is that when referring to either Calvinist's or Arminian's I wouldn't classify all Calvinist's into one group. Instead I would say there are Calvinists that disagree with Calvinists, just as there also are different camps within Arminianism. I have spoken to some Calvinist's that claim to be 4 or 3 point, rather than 5 point Calvinists' Some we call hyper-Calvinists, others we might classify as moderate. I think there also are hyper-Arminians and moderate ones as well. Finally I wouldn't call any Calvinist or Arminian as being immature in the word of God. It is before God they stand, it's not my job to judge either. Both are sncere in what they believe. I won't say they are sincerely wrong. While that may be the case, I pray as you do that both sides of the coin of truth may be shown to them. If all I ever saw was the heads side of a coin, then I wouldn't know the truth of there being a tails side to it also. Calvinist's and Arminian's use the same Bible and both can find Scripture to support what they believe. I have even read of those who were once Calvinist and after time spent in God's word, switched over to the Arminian camp. Likewise I have heard of some Arminian's who later switched over to the side of Calvinism. |
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433 | Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? | Rom 9:21 | New Creature | 61426 | ||
JRdoc: In this reply you said: "All have sinned! Men have a will and sin of their own volition. Without God’s call, election, grace, justification, atonement (etc) men will continue to sin and will be held accountable for the same." So to clear things up I ask you: Do those who are saved still sin? And will they be held accountable for unrepented sin? How about willful habitual sin in the life of a believer. And how about unconfessed sin, in the life of believers. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Rom. 14:12 |
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434 | Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? | Rom 9:21 | New Creature | 61445 | ||
Reformed: Whoa; The opinion I stated, is because of my many conversations with professed Calvinists, none which happen to be in this forum. It has nothing to do with members of this forum. Shalom my friend |
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435 | Whats up with Judgement, calvinists plz? | Rom 9:21 | New Creature | 61467 | ||
John: One additional note; As I mentioned to JRdoc: when speaking of Calvinist's there are many varities within the Calvinistic camp: There are your typical 5 point Calvinist's and then there are others who I have spoken to who profess to be either 4 or 3 point Calvinist's. Then there are hyper-Calvinist's and Moderate Calvinist's. So even those who PROFESS to be Calvinist's disagree with other Calvinist's. It is the same with Arminian's. Not all Arminian's agree with each other either. In the Arminian camp there also is a variety. You might well reply in response: There is only one true type of real Calvinist. I won't dispute that with you. I have spoken with all sorts, from one end of the spectrum of belief to the other. Nevertheless, God's word, is my final authority. Sola Scripture |
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436 | Are we Stupid or Lazy? Our Soul at stak | Rom 14:12 | New Creature | 89413 | ||
graceful I enjoyed this post you asked; "Why do people ALWAYS turn to people for the interpritation of Gods word?" I have recently had those same thoughts myself. The reason I came up with is, because out of laziness, or what some people say, I haven't got time, I'm too busy, they allow others to do all the work of studying for them, and then just blindly accept what men say Scripture means. However you and I both know, that Scripture does not always mean what men say it means. But people accept what these men say. Maybe part of the reason people accept what men say as true is due to how many PHD's or initials of doctorates a person has after his name. I mean shouldn't these learned men know what the Bible truly says? Unfortunately not always. Someone once commented that it takes a man four years as a Seminary student to be taught that the Bible doesn't really mean what it says. From experience,I have come to believe that statement. In His service New Creature |
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437 | Are we Stupid or Lazy? Our Soul at stak | Rom 14:12 | New Creature | 89470 | ||
Amen Hank isn't that the sad truth God Bless you New Creature |
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438 | Are we Stupid or Lazy? Our Soul at stak | Rom 14:12 | New Creature | 89621 | ||
Amen God Bless you also New Creature |
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439 | Asking for gifts of the Spirit? | 1 Corinthians | New Creature | 49515 | ||
The word "covet" which I mentioned from the text I provided in my previous response does mean desire. Same thought different wording. | ||||||
440 | Asking for gifts of the Spirit? | 1 Corinthians | New Creature | 49516 | ||
Good question. Lets see what Scripture says: 1 Cor. 14:4 He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself 1 Cor. 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not 1 Cor. 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in [those that are] unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or [one] unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on [his] face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. From this text you will see that it is prophesy that the unbeliever is convinced or convicted, and the secrets of his heart are made manifest, and falling down he will worship God. So it is prophesy not tongues that convinces the one who believes not. It is prophesy not tongues that cause the one who believes not, to fall down on his face and worship God. At least thats what 1 Cor. 14:24:25 says. 1 Cor. 14:23 says if the unbeliever comes and hears you speaking with tongues he will say you are mad or crazy, and possibly nuts. Tongues is more for self edification, than for edification of the body of Christ (see 1 Cor. 14:4) which I posted Paul also said that he would rather speak five words with his understanding that by his voice he might teach others, rather than 10,000 words in an unknown tongue (see 1 Cor. 14:19) But we do read that tongues are for a sign, to them that believe not (1 Cor. 14:22) notice it says for a sign, NOT for CONVICTING the unbelievers. below is Strongs definition of "a sign" 4592 semeion (say-mi'-on) from a presumed derivative of the base of 4591; TDNT - 7:200,1015; n n AV - sign 50, miracle 23, wonder 3, token 1; 77 1) a sign, mark, token 1a) that by which a person or a thing is distinguished from others and is known 1b) a sign, prodigy, portent, i.e. an unusual occurrence, transcending the common course of nature 1b1) of signs portending remarkable events soon to happen 1b2) of miracles and wonders by which God authenticates the men sent by him, or by which men prove that the cause they are pleading is God's However the word "convinced" elegchosin in the Greek in 1 Cor. 14:24 means conviction So it is prophesy not tongues that convicts according to the Scripture I provided. Study those verses and I hope they help |
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