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1 | belief in hell? | Bible general | Maus | 240075 | ||
EdB: That the scriptures speak about Hell isn't in question. What is in question is what is Hell, and is it as we have imagined? Don Holmes inferred that he didn't believe in hell. Is it as Hell has been described, Hell as a concept, or does he dispute the scriptures veracity? We haven't taken the time to clarify his question in this respect. I would like for Holmes to clarify his question. | ||||||
2 | belief in hell? | Bible general | Maus | 240082 | ||
Don Holmes: I fully believe that Jesus has accepted you just as you are, and that He will eventually show you the truth of all matters which He deems important for you to understand correctly, much better than any person can. Nowhere in the Scriptures has God given any man perfect wisdom and understanding in all things. If God chooses that you do not believe in Hell, what is that to anyone else? It certainly cannot affect your salvation by faith, because we are commanded to believe that God is, and that He rewards all who seek Him. And that Jesus is the only name under the heavens whereby we may be saved. Nowhere does it say that believing in Hell is essential to our salvation. Perhaps someday God will clue you in, perhaps not, who is anyone else to judge between you and God? Meanwhile, when you ask questions of people, do not defend your position, but listen quietly; for if you can't help but to disagree with them, then you must ask the question of yourself; Did I ask a question in hopes of finding something out better, or only to provoke an argument? |
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3 | belief in hell? | Bible general | Maus | 240090 | ||
The great majority of Christian denominations believe in Hell, but have difficulty defining it. Eternal punishment for rejecting salvation is a re-occuring theme throughout the Scriptures, and we are given glimpses of what it might entail ... but as the Apostle Paul said "we see, as in a polished metal mirror, faintly." It is this faint view of Godly things which trips up many people, who are not content unless they narrowly define everything. |
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4 | belief in hell? | Bible general | Maus | 240091 | ||
The long answer is this: The OT word for our "Hell" is "Gehenna", which is a composit word that evolved from two Hebrew words. In Nehemiah 11:30 "Gehenna" refers to the "valley of Hinnom". The Hebrew word gey ("valley") was joined with hinnom and became geenna in Greek, then Gehenna in English. As we track the term Gehenna through the New Testament we discover that it has taken on pagen influence and interpretation. Second Peter 2:4 - For if Elohim did not spare the Messengers that sinned but cast them down into fiery regions in chains of darkness ..."This verse speaks of judgement on fallen angels. The Greek inserts "tartaroo," derived from Tartarus. In 400 BC Plato wrote that souls were judged after death and those who recieved punishment were sent to Tattarus, a mythical, deep, dark, underworld pit or abyss, a gloomy place and dungeon of torment, where god-sized suffering awaits "sinners." This helped morph mythological ideas about Hell into Christian culture. Regarding Gey'Hinnom (Gehenna), Isaiah 66:24 - "And on their way out they will see the corpses of those who rebelled against me; for their worm will never die nor their fire be put out, and they will be held in horror by all humanity." Gey'Hinnom is a physical place just outside of Jerusalem that reminds Israel of not returning to her worship of Moloch. Christo-pagen theologians use Gey'Hinnom (Gehenna) to teach that the mythological hell of Tartarus and Hades is equivalent to the Biblical concept of separation from God. That there is eternal punishment (or separation from God) for sin is not in question. Exactly what it may be is arguable. I'm of a mind that when the rich man asked for only a drop of water, that he was using a figure of speech for a drop of the presence of the spirit of God. All people living have that drop of the presence of God, for it is that presence which enables God to call us unto His salvation; but how many realize that it would be torment to their souls, "Hell," to be separated from that drop of the presence of God? |
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5 | belief in hell? | Bible general | Maus | 240095 | ||
Beja: You appear to have an enlightened understanding of the concept of Hell. I too believe that whatever punishment there is to come, is much more horrible than anything we can evision. My having never experienced the total absence of God's spirit in my life, I can only imagine how it would feel. The Bible says that God is a burning fire, and I suppose that is how people would meet Him on judgement day, if they are not covered (protected) by the blood of Christ's sacrifice. |
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6 | Anyone take notes during Yashua's life? | NT general | Maus | 239840 | ||
Hello Doc: Thank you for the welcome. Thirty years later, a disciple can remember how many fish were in the net, how many loaves and fish fed a multitude? When Einstein became important, people began to make extensive records of his activities and accomplishments. Yeshua certainly became important during His ministry, yet, nobody took notes? | ||||||
7 | Anyone take notes during Yashua's life? | NT general | Maus | 239844 | ||
Hello Doc: The 70 that I referred to was the disciples that Yeshua sent out by twos. A third possibility; that many contemporary notes were kept, by many different people, in several different languages, and that the "Q-document" which is presumed to be the source for the gospels, is actually a compilation of these notes. If so, then the Gospels sources had originated from many languages. This would infer that the New Testament is the authorized word of Elohim, in every language which our current texts may have been preserved by. If this is so, then Greek re-translations back into Hebrew, and Latin, Aramaic, and Greek texts are all equally reliable ... even more so if they are each referenced with the others ... none having supremacy over the others. | ||||||
8 | Anyone take notes during Yashua's life? | NT general | Maus | 239845 | ||
Hello Ed: Thank you for taking the time to answer my question. Elohim certainly could personally reveal anything that He wants to us, but wouldn't that relieve us of our stewardship responsibilities? | ||||||
9 | Anyone take notes during Yashua's life? | NT general | Maus | 239853 | ||
Hello Doc: I think that taking notes (writing stuff down) is different than noting (keeping in mind) someone's bad behavior. | ||||||
10 | Anyone take notes during Yashua's life? | NT general | Maus | 239855 | ||
Hello Ed O: Acts 11:16 seems to affirm your position. | ||||||
11 | Anyone take notes during Yashua's life? | NT general | Maus | 239856 | ||
Hello Doc: Well, the subject matter is within the iron age. | ||||||
12 | Anyone take notes during Yashua's life? | NT general | Maus | 239857 | ||
Hello Doc: There is also "M", which again is speculative. However, more to the point is "Matthew collected the oracles in the Hebrew language" (Ecclesiastical History, III, 39, 16). Which oracles, from where? We are not told. But certainly a reference to writings much closer to contemporaneous events. | ||||||
13 | Anyone take notes during Yashua's life? | NT general | Maus | 239858 | ||
Hello Ed B: We are instructed to study to show ourselves approved. At the time this instruction was given, the only Scriptures available was the Old Testament, a written account. However, we can safely presume to incorporate our New Testament writings within this directive, also a written account. | ||||||
14 | Anyone take notes during Yashua's life? | NT general | Maus | 239865 | ||
Jalek: Thank you for your input. While I would have taken notes, and I suppose many did, I can't justify going beyond my supposition. I guess that I will simply have to wait for some ancient notes to be unearthed somewhere, that confirms my supposition. | ||||||
15 | How do I reconcil Ch 1 and Ch 2 of Gen? | Gen 1:27 | Maus | 240172 | ||
Doc: "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (GAP) The earth was formless and empty ..." | ||||||
16 | belief in hell? | Rev 20:15 | Maus | 240074 | ||
EdB: "... and not yet be consumed." doesn't take into account that while our earthly bodies can be consumed by physical fire, we have little understanding of our souls, or our spirits, or how they would react to spiritual fire. Your preposition that "Hell is firmly established by scripture" is not true simply because it is widely held to be true (ad Populum argument). Such assertive statements, "you can not be a Christian and ignore eternal damnation as being factual" can be a stumbling block to newer converts. Don Holmes professes to be Christian, and doesn't "believe" in Hell ... So, EdB, you are pre-mid-post Trib? You believe in the Trinity or not? Is the Earth thousands or millions of years old? Textus Receptus? What? No matter what you believe, there is a multitude of others who will disagree with you. Pick a subject. But how can someone elses beliefs detract from your salvation by faith? Faith transcends our intellect, and doesn't require any signs. How all of us struggle in the beginning with just the "milk" of the Gospel. The "meat" of the Gospel, subjects such as "Hell" is even harder. |
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17 | belief in hell? | Rev 20:15 | Maus | 240080 | ||
DOC: I believe that all Scripture is the inspired word of God. What I often don't believe is what someone may claim that any particular Scripture means. I also believe that all believers have to work out their own salvation, which includes reasoning for themselves, after reviewing all credible sources known to them, what they are to believe about any particular subject in the Scriptures. I also believe that there are way too many people holding the theology of the last person who spoke to them; people who can't or won't take any accountability for their own beliefs, depending on someone else to tell them what to believe. |
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18 | belief in hell? | Rev 20:15 | Maus | 240085 | ||
DOC: I believe that all of the Scriptures are capable of interpretation. | ||||||
19 | belief in hell? | Rev 20:15 | Maus | 240092 | ||
google Wikipedia "Hell" for starters. | ||||||
20 | belief in hell? | Rev 20:15 | Maus | 240097 | ||
Doc: You are asking me to summarize something that is so widely known, because you want to vet me as being capable of answering questions on this forum? | ||||||
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