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261 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91018 | ||
Try this as a paraphase: Hearing Nicodemos' question asking about eternal life Jesus gives it 'small' attention and goes to the heart of why He really came to Earth. i.e, to usher in the kingdom of God; to unlock the door to it. He knew that the understanding of redemption would be forthcoming as a necessity for understanding His Fathers Kingdom. Man could not affect the reality of what the cross did. i.e,. redeem them, but they can decide to what degree the effect of the outcome of the cross can have on their lives..."IF any man desires to be in Me....he will follow, etc., then I will respond to that because of My disposition in him."-new nature by the new birth exp. Keep in mind, Hank, the effect of the cross wasn't imediately known as far as what happens imediately after you die. When Nic asked his question he wasn't supposing any need for being perfected in himself, a kingdom issue, but rather he wanted to know what provision was Jesus suggesting He had that he, Nic, didn't know about that he might be comforted in the matter. The cross wasn't being discussed here. After all, here is a man who knew the law and was one of the few who supposed Jesus for who He said He was. So we can rightly state that Nic's eternal security was ALREADY assured because of his 'believing' Jesus. Keep in mind the foreknowledge of God here. All that was needed was for the cross to happen. With that Jesus moves on to His prime purpose for coming and the explaining the necessity for the new birth experience in a BELIEVER'S life. Many people will be in heaven who have never experienced it. Question: Will they be Jointheirs? I don't know. I don't think so. Look up what jointheirship is. It's different than just being an heir. Paul tell us to "work it out". Oswald Chambers say's that in the process of working it out, you 'become'. That is God's will for our lives, as believers. Jn,7.17 If any man will do *process of becoming* his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. Jn 14.26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. |
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262 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91043 | ||
"During the first 30 years Jesus was growing and learning from the Father. In the fullness of time and according to the eternal purpose of God He began His mission; He lived in perfect obedience to the commandments so that His righteousness might be imputed to those whom the Father sent to Him." Whew!...scripture for that, please make it relate to that and nothing after. |
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263 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91044 | ||
"Is your theology concerning kingdom of God unique to you, or is it taught in your denomination?" No. It is taught in the Bible, It is mentioned 33 times in the NT as it's theme, and greatly overlooked by puritanical Calvinists. |
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264 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91050 | ||
“Why, at he age of 30 and not 13 or 3 is not revealed in Scripture. But we do know that He cames to save His people from their sins.” **"However, water baptism does carry a much deeper meaning than what we are commonly taught to accept, but not for salvation and Jn3.3,5 has nothing to do with salvation." ”John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God”. ”I do not believe that "born of water" refers to believer's baptism, for that would be require a work being added to faith in order for one to be saved.” OK, I said that. But then if you are saved you should want to be, right? A sign of communion or belonging, maybe? How about allegiance? Will that work? ”Perseverance for a true believer is not a requirement for salvation. We are saved by grace alone. Rather, perseverance is a fruit produced in the believer by the Holy Spirit; it is an evidence of God working in us. We are His workmanship and His work does not fail to meet His expectations.” Don’t be so sure here, John. I say it is a matter of responsibility that we are to purify our souls per 1 Peter1.22 “Seeing YOU have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently”…….. He is talking to disciples here, John and not to “just saved” people. ”It causes me real grief when I see so many, who profess Christ, busily attempting to work their way into the kingdom. The fact is that when the cross work of Christ was completed, ALL the work was over.” You mean the way was now open for man, once saved, to enter. Remember, Jesus said “IF” any man will…take up his cross and follow me” How do the unsaved take up a cross they haven’t received, the life and death of Jesus? Then you must ask what is this cross except it be an extension of the earthly life of Jesus given me to prove myself as Jesus did That Father can say to me well done good and faithful servant-son-.. Sorry, John, salvation is not the issue. Sonship is. “The work we do is simply God working in us to accomplish His good pleasure. Salvation's work had been done on our behalf long before we were born. To God be the Glory!” That’s nice and understood by me however the only faith that pleases the Father is the Faith OF the Jesus Christ and that MUST reside in me, revealed to be the very mind of God. If that is a ‘works’ issue to you so be it. Revisit 1 Peter 1.22…Rom. 8.2. If you can grasp this you’ll enter a more vibrant relationship with Father and the Bible will become a new one. |
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265 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91053 | ||
Hi Tim! and thanks for the greeting... a pleasant change. I really can't put it in a short statement but I can assure you that what I believe WON"T do injury to anyones faith venture in Christ. What I know is that we fall short, way short, of coming into what God has purposed for those who diligently seek His kingdom and put into practice a love for Him He can respond to. i.e., the Great Commandment and seek first His kingdom..." The nominal Christian doesn't know much about that sort of thing today while clinging to promises of God that have conditions placed upon them. Am I saved by grace?.....YES, without a doubt. Now I have a responsibilty and it ain't to go beating on doors telling them about Jesus who I know very little about but to become one God can trust with Himself as He could, Jesus. Make sense? |
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266 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91054 | ||
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? ________________________________ What do suppose Jesus meant by "my Father's business"? __________________________ Isn't this something we should be saying when asked of others? |
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267 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91076 | ||
"It sounds like you are talking about discipleship or Christian maturity. Is that correct?" And that sounds like you think they are the same. I find Christian maturity CAN BE nothing more than a lot of 'religious head knowledge' while I consider dicipleship to be more of a love affair with the Father. The former requires revelational truth as a result of initimacy with the Father. Make those distinctions and we're on the same page because I know too many self-proclaimed "mature" Christians who resent it when the name Jesus is mentioned and walk away from the conversation. "If so, I would say that both are necessary. We need to be 'becoming Christlike' and knocking on those doors! ;-)" Jesus never knocked on doors. He spoke from His life and was never without an audience. |
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268 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91093 | ||
"Sure. Now, you tell me what you believe the young Jesus meant by it." The "young Jesus" was the "young Jesus". I'm not Him, neither are you...John, I believe it's John. Having made those distinctions we must remember that Jesus already possessed - the- divine nature. He knew what His earthly ministry was to accomplish. i.e., "for this reason was I born". We, on this side of the cross also possess that nature by virtue of the new birth. In that new birth experience SHOULD come the knowledge of the Father's business regarding our relationship to Him and His will for our life. My ambition must be to be about my Father's business....So should yours. His will for our lives is for us to become a son unto Him....just like Jesus, the boy. Jesus accomplished His task by protecting His divine nature to become the new Son of God. We accomplish our task by overcoming our old 'self' nature with the new one God gives us because of Jesus Christ that we become "Son's of God", no longer "boy's", but joint heirs with Christ to rule reign with Him.. You do know what a joint heir is I hope? Make sense? |
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269 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91107 | ||
"Ken, Christian maturity is a product of following Christ, i.e., discipleship. "Religious head knowledge" as you put it is not discipleship and is not Christian maturity" Isn't that what I said? I'm not after some oneupsmanship game playing. Can we be clear on that?...;] I hope so. "Perhaps in your assessment of what Christian maturity is, you are thinking of Christians who have lost their first love, who have become lazy, laid-back, apathetic shells of the vibrant disciples they once were. They haven't matured! They have simply withered on the vine." --Hank No Hank, I'm thinking of the church that doesn't teach the kingdom of God and the "bringing many sons into Glory" theme of the Pauline epistles explaining the reality of the nature of Jesus Christ we must come into.. |
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270 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91109 | ||
Does that help you, Tim? | ||||||
271 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91121 | ||
That's fine, Hank. I apologize for my wrongness. People have a tendency to twist words or purposely omit words when quoting for advantage in an arguement/discussion...I've been in those forums and hope this one will be different. I hope you will carefully read what I post before responding and I hope you will continue to respond...Thanks,Ken |
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272 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91126 | ||
Thanks, Hank..same here | ||||||
273 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91135 | ||
Do you mean this for me, George??... I don't think so |
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274 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91137 | ||
"This might help if you would explain what you mean by these terms. To me, the 'kingdom' and 'sonship' are all related to salvation. When someone is saved, they become part of the kingdom and a son." Jesus was a demonstration of the Kingdom. You might say He was a Kingdom of one who desires to multiply Himself. Ever wonder what the 'treasure in the field' is or the 'Pearl of Great price'? Think about it. Many -saved- are called, Tim. Few choose, consquently few are chosen. Everything spoken in the NT Epistles is spoken to disciples not just professors who don't follow. Jesus would that we either hot or cold but not luke warm. Rev.3.16. Sonship is what it becomes all about once you are saved and catch the vision of Kingdom |
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275 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91138 | ||
oo-ooh my... "Is this the criticism you were expecting? I could pin you down to the level of your master. The one who first tried to use scripture against my Master, I will conclude with Pro 26:5; Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." You'll have to do better than that, George. You might first explain to me what I said to spark such contempt? |
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276 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91201 | ||
"By the new birth we recieved a spiritual nature, not a divine nature. We are not little gods!" Little god's we aren't but you are grossly wrong when you say we didn't receive a divine nature. If you say, as you do, a spiritual nature, then I ask who's spirit and was it not divine? Me think's you need to re-visit that in your thinking. Is there one I don't know about that the word of God speaks of? Please show me from God's word, then be prepared. |
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277 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91216 | ||
There is really nothing difficult about this, Guys. Re-read Jn 15,16 and 17 then 2 Cor.4.11: For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that his life may be revealed in our mortal body. So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you. It is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak, because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence. "If the SAME SPIRIT that raised Christ from the dead dwell IN you, ............" |
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278 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91217 | ||
Roman's 8.14 "....because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." |
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279 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91223 | ||
"There is a distinct difference between being indwelt by the Holy Spirit and possessing a divine nature as you call it. Perhaps if you were to explain the term and explain what effect having a "divine nature" has, may help." But there is no difference. Jesus had a divine nature that is given to us because He is given to us. Jesus, His divine nature/Spirit of Truth and that which is given us, is one in the same. Jn14.16-18 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives WITH you and will be IN you. I will not leave you as orphans; I WILL COME TO YOU...."Lo I and WITH you always. His nature is that nature given us at New birth. |
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280 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91225 | ||
"Perhaps if you were to explain the term and explain what effect having a "divine nature" has, may help." I think I'll let you think about that part of your question and how that divine nature given you should affect your life. Hint: The Great Commandment and 'Seek ye first the Kingdom of God'. Abandon your "self" and then 'abide'...It takes a divine nature to do accomplish that. |
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