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361 | ONLY ONE BAPTISM | Bible general Archive 1 | Ken hepting | 91125 | ||
"The other baptism in the New Testament was that of the Holy Ghost, and it was only recorded twice. Once with the Apostles(Acts 2) and the second was with Cornelius". Lets not forget: Eph 19.3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism. 4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7 And all the men were about twelve. "The baptism that is for us today is to be submerged in water, representing Christ's death, burial and ressurection, and therefore being added INTO the body of Christ by God." I agree with this but it is not all there is for us as a provision from God for our intimacy with Him: Acts 2.39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. That means us and He's speaking of the Baptism of the Holy spirit as demonstrated on the day of Pentecost that was prophecied by Joel 2.38. I very needed experience in ones private prayer life and worship. |
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362 | ONLY ONE BAPTISM | Bible general Archive 1 | Ken hepting | 91122 | ||
"You are very right that there now is only one baptism, but wrong that the great commission. Christ told them to go into all the world and preach the Gospel, baptizing them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost." Oh, I see how you are saying that. But that is still only water baptism at best...could be a verbal thing like what's done in a marriage ceremony but I'd rather think that since baptism means to submerse that that's what it was, orthodoxy being observed at all times back then. |
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363 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91121 | ||
That's fine, Hank. I apologize for my wrongness. People have a tendency to twist words or purposely omit words when quoting for advantage in an arguement/discussion...I've been in those forums and hope this one will be different. I hope you will carefully read what I post before responding and I hope you will continue to respond...Thanks,Ken |
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364 | ONLY ONE BAPTISM | Bible general Archive 1 | Ken hepting | 91115 | ||
"There is only one Baptism that subordinates all other baptisms. That Baptism is the Baptism into the Body of Christ, the one Paul was refering to. All other subordinate baptism's underpin this one very necessary Baptism". The above is a statement. "Since Pentecost was mentioned it might be interesting to note there are three manifestations of the Holy Spirt, all, unlike baptisms, very significant in a Christians life. Anybody want take a crack at that one?" To repeat the question: How many "manifestations" are there of the Holy Spirit? Not to be confused with how many times the Holy Spirit has appeared throughout the Bible. Manifestation---ways which the Holy Spirit acts upon man. This is no trick question. |
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365 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91109 | ||
Does that help you, Tim? | ||||||
366 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91107 | ||
"Ken, Christian maturity is a product of following Christ, i.e., discipleship. "Religious head knowledge" as you put it is not discipleship and is not Christian maturity" Isn't that what I said? I'm not after some oneupsmanship game playing. Can we be clear on that?...;] I hope so. "Perhaps in your assessment of what Christian maturity is, you are thinking of Christians who have lost their first love, who have become lazy, laid-back, apathetic shells of the vibrant disciples they once were. They haven't matured! They have simply withered on the vine." --Hank No Hank, I'm thinking of the church that doesn't teach the kingdom of God and the "bringing many sons into Glory" theme of the Pauline epistles explaining the reality of the nature of Jesus Christ we must come into.. |
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367 | What in the world!!? | Bible general Archive 1 | Ken hepting | 91094 | ||
Thanks anyway, Fran. This forum software is narrow and tricky to navigate in. I've enjoyed better times of it on other forums. But these conversations make hanging in, worth it all. Ken |
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368 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91093 | ||
"Sure. Now, you tell me what you believe the young Jesus meant by it." The "young Jesus" was the "young Jesus". I'm not Him, neither are you...John, I believe it's John. Having made those distinctions we must remember that Jesus already possessed - the- divine nature. He knew what His earthly ministry was to accomplish. i.e., "for this reason was I born". We, on this side of the cross also possess that nature by virtue of the new birth. In that new birth experience SHOULD come the knowledge of the Father's business regarding our relationship to Him and His will for our life. My ambition must be to be about my Father's business....So should yours. His will for our lives is for us to become a son unto Him....just like Jesus, the boy. Jesus accomplished His task by protecting His divine nature to become the new Son of God. We accomplish our task by overcoming our old 'self' nature with the new one God gives us because of Jesus Christ that we become "Son's of God", no longer "boy's", but joint heirs with Christ to rule reign with Him.. You do know what a joint heir is I hope? Make sense? |
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369 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91076 | ||
"It sounds like you are talking about discipleship or Christian maturity. Is that correct?" And that sounds like you think they are the same. I find Christian maturity CAN BE nothing more than a lot of 'religious head knowledge' while I consider dicipleship to be more of a love affair with the Father. The former requires revelational truth as a result of initimacy with the Father. Make those distinctions and we're on the same page because I know too many self-proclaimed "mature" Christians who resent it when the name Jesus is mentioned and walk away from the conversation. "If so, I would say that both are necessary. We need to be 'becoming Christlike' and knocking on those doors! ;-)" Jesus never knocked on doors. He spoke from His life and was never without an audience. |
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370 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91054 | ||
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? ________________________________ What do suppose Jesus meant by "my Father's business"? __________________________ Isn't this something we should be saying when asked of others? |
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371 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91053 | ||
Hi Tim! and thanks for the greeting... a pleasant change. I really can't put it in a short statement but I can assure you that what I believe WON"T do injury to anyones faith venture in Christ. What I know is that we fall short, way short, of coming into what God has purposed for those who diligently seek His kingdom and put into practice a love for Him He can respond to. i.e., the Great Commandment and seek first His kingdom..." The nominal Christian doesn't know much about that sort of thing today while clinging to promises of God that have conditions placed upon them. Am I saved by grace?.....YES, without a doubt. Now I have a responsibilty and it ain't to go beating on doors telling them about Jesus who I know very little about but to become one God can trust with Himself as He could, Jesus. Make sense? |
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372 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91050 | ||
“Why, at he age of 30 and not 13 or 3 is not revealed in Scripture. But we do know that He cames to save His people from their sins.” **"However, water baptism does carry a much deeper meaning than what we are commonly taught to accept, but not for salvation and Jn3.3,5 has nothing to do with salvation." ”John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God”. ”I do not believe that "born of water" refers to believer's baptism, for that would be require a work being added to faith in order for one to be saved.” OK, I said that. But then if you are saved you should want to be, right? A sign of communion or belonging, maybe? How about allegiance? Will that work? ”Perseverance for a true believer is not a requirement for salvation. We are saved by grace alone. Rather, perseverance is a fruit produced in the believer by the Holy Spirit; it is an evidence of God working in us. We are His workmanship and His work does not fail to meet His expectations.” Don’t be so sure here, John. I say it is a matter of responsibility that we are to purify our souls per 1 Peter1.22 “Seeing YOU have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently”…….. He is talking to disciples here, John and not to “just saved” people. ”It causes me real grief when I see so many, who profess Christ, busily attempting to work their way into the kingdom. The fact is that when the cross work of Christ was completed, ALL the work was over.” You mean the way was now open for man, once saved, to enter. Remember, Jesus said “IF” any man will…take up his cross and follow me” How do the unsaved take up a cross they haven’t received, the life and death of Jesus? Then you must ask what is this cross except it be an extension of the earthly life of Jesus given me to prove myself as Jesus did That Father can say to me well done good and faithful servant-son-.. Sorry, John, salvation is not the issue. Sonship is. “The work we do is simply God working in us to accomplish His good pleasure. Salvation's work had been done on our behalf long before we were born. To God be the Glory!” That’s nice and understood by me however the only faith that pleases the Father is the Faith OF the Jesus Christ and that MUST reside in me, revealed to be the very mind of God. If that is a ‘works’ issue to you so be it. Revisit 1 Peter 1.22…Rom. 8.2. If you can grasp this you’ll enter a more vibrant relationship with Father and the Bible will become a new one. |
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373 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91044 | ||
"Is your theology concerning kingdom of God unique to you, or is it taught in your denomination?" No. It is taught in the Bible, It is mentioned 33 times in the NT as it's theme, and greatly overlooked by puritanical Calvinists. |
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374 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91043 | ||
"During the first 30 years Jesus was growing and learning from the Father. In the fullness of time and according to the eternal purpose of God He began His mission; He lived in perfect obedience to the commandments so that His righteousness might be imputed to those whom the Father sent to Him." Whew!...scripture for that, please make it relate to that and nothing after. |
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375 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91018 | ||
Try this as a paraphase: Hearing Nicodemos' question asking about eternal life Jesus gives it 'small' attention and goes to the heart of why He really came to Earth. i.e, to usher in the kingdom of God; to unlock the door to it. He knew that the understanding of redemption would be forthcoming as a necessity for understanding His Fathers Kingdom. Man could not affect the reality of what the cross did. i.e,. redeem them, but they can decide to what degree the effect of the outcome of the cross can have on their lives..."IF any man desires to be in Me....he will follow, etc., then I will respond to that because of My disposition in him."-new nature by the new birth exp. Keep in mind, Hank, the effect of the cross wasn't imediately known as far as what happens imediately after you die. When Nic asked his question he wasn't supposing any need for being perfected in himself, a kingdom issue, but rather he wanted to know what provision was Jesus suggesting He had that he, Nic, didn't know about that he might be comforted in the matter. The cross wasn't being discussed here. After all, here is a man who knew the law and was one of the few who supposed Jesus for who He said He was. So we can rightly state that Nic's eternal security was ALREADY assured because of his 'believing' Jesus. Keep in mind the foreknowledge of God here. All that was needed was for the cross to happen. With that Jesus moves on to His prime purpose for coming and the explaining the necessity for the new birth experience in a BELIEVER'S life. Many people will be in heaven who have never experienced it. Question: Will they be Jointheirs? I don't know. I don't think so. Look up what jointheirship is. It's different than just being an heir. Paul tell us to "work it out". Oswald Chambers say's that in the process of working it out, you 'become'. That is God's will for our lives, as believers. Jn,7.17 If any man will do *process of becoming* his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself. Jn 14.26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. |
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376 | What in the world!!? | Bible general Archive 1 | Ken hepting | 90991 | ||
You did that. I was refering to this forum's software. I can't seen to bring the main "tree" of questions up in any way I can remember. It's crazy. | ||||||
377 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 90987 | ||
Hank, I see what you're saying and I agree with your observations concerning the woman. I hope you'll read what I just posted and try to draw something from that that will help. I like your question-s and If I need to do more typing, no problem, Ken | ||||||
378 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 90986 | ||
If Salvation was the main issue for God bringing Jesus into this world why did he, after 30 yrs., goe through 3 1/2 more just to redeem man? Think about it before you start your criticisms. He could have gone straight to the cross. If you say 'well He had to accomplish a few healing tasks to prove who He was' I ask why..if redemption was the main issue? "Historic christian orthodoxy rejects the idea that baptism (or any work) is necessary for salvation. We are saved by grace alone, through faith alone is Basic Bible 101." And I agree with Historic Christian orthodoxy 101 in rejecting the need of 'water' baptism as necessary for salvation but what does that have to do with need for being 'born again' to satisfy Jn 3.3,5? However, water baptism does carry a much deeper meaning than what we are commonly taught to accept, but not for salvation and Jn3.3,5 has nothing to do with salvation. "Those who perservere to the end do so because they have been born again. They are new creatures created "in Christ". Really? "In Christ"? Then why the need to perservere? Is that what Jesus did...perservere? 'New creatures' carries with it a divine nature that possesses a heavenly vision not unlike what Jesus experienced. It's part of the Born Again experience that doesn't demand discipline of that sort though perservering in Christian life does have everything to do with overcoming self to become a son pleasing to the Father..Read Rev. 1-3. "Your casting of Mk 5:25 as a verse dealing with salvation is mistaken. Clearly it is a verse dealing with healing. The woman believed that Jesus had miraculous healing power, but so did many others who followed Him. The problem was that they were not prepared to accept that He was God incarnate." I said it "typifies" how salvation is accomplished. Try to follow: "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God". This was accomplished in her which took her to Jesus. He healed her typifying salvation by making her physically whole. We do that when we come to Jesus for our salvation, right? Now who faith are to live by if we CHOOSE to follow Him? His or ours? If His then the Born again experience is opened up to us. If ours, we stay in "self-mode", alienated from the kingdom of God. I trust I've been more clear. |
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379 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 90959 | ||
Your answer is "NO" Absolutely and positively NO. __Just believing in Christ isn't sufficient for salvation. Oh my. You've got some explaining to do. __Saton himself believes in him. Yet Satan himself most assuredly has not confessed his sins or asked for forgiveness. Satan believes Him alright but salvation is never for him regardless of what he believes. ___Just believing in something dosen't make us a member of that something. Ok. I believe and ask. Hows that? Ok, Georg, I can understand why you say that but upon closer scrutiny lets observe a few things. #1. The woman with the issue of blood, Mk 5.25. This typifies ones salvation where Jesus says to her 'your faith has made you whole'. No where does it say she then followed Jesus. So it can be assumed she receives from Him wholeness/salvation without following afterwards. #2. He who believes and is baptised shall be saved. But what about being "born again"? Scripture again at this juncture makes no distinction. Matt 10..And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. Again, no menetion of the born again experience. Now it can also be assumed, rightly or wrongly, that they were born again but the point is no mention of being born again as a requirement for salvation. This we do know: you must be born again to see and enter the kingdom of God. That's certain. Now I wouldn't hold out much hope for one who claims Jesus as his savior WITHOUT claiming Him as Lord but the scripture states that there will be those who are saved 'as by fire' or By the skin of their teeth as I see it. Again salvation is something that doesn't require me to choose to follow but only to accept as a gift then Jesus say's "If any man WILL follow me...." Now we are given a choice. Jn 6.65,66.. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him. This all has to do with entering into the Kingdom of God and NOT salvation. Begin to read the scriptures in that light and it will become a new book. Very exciting! |
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380 | Ask for a cold, and ye shall receive it? | Matt 16:6 | Ken hepting | 90949 | ||
The main gist of what the Bible is teaching is the Salvation of Jesus Christ, Hank. Correction...this is a shallow statement |
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