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241 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92684 | ||
Again, they have never heard the gospel which is required for belief according to Romans 10. But is it required for salvation or those who never heard and yet lived with a hope and fear of there being a God?......and at this point I refuse to begin repeating myself. |
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242 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92683 | ||
You ask: "Building what?" Perhaps I should have add verses 10-11 in order to get the context of the paragraph. Paul is refering to building on the foundation of Christ Jesus. We build by the works we do after salvation. But what can those works amount to if you know nothing of the foundation on which Jesus Christ would have you build? To say you build on Him can be a truth but what is the depth of that truth? If you examine what He says you will see it is the Kingdom message that He commissions those who know Him, to preach. Can a saved but carnal Christian do that? Can I stay in my carnality and claim the name of Jesus for myself while not abandoning myself to Him and do the great commission? ------------------------------------- "No, works will not keep me saved. That's part of 1 Cor 3 that I quoted. If we believe on the Lord Jesus, we will be saved even if we do a poor job in this life." What do you mean "poor job in this life". He calls us to perfection. Matthew 5:48 (NASB) "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect. But can you do that with the attitude of 'just being saved'? ---------------------------------------- "You should worry about works for two reasons. First, because God wants us to do them. Ephes. 2:10 (ESV" What kind of works do you think He means? ---------------------------------------- "For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." The operative word here is "prepared". How is one prepared? Who's initiative is it that we should be in a prepared state? Hint: "Many are called..." ---------------------------------------- "Second, because they prove to others the faith we have. James 2:18-20 (ESV) But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. [19] You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe?and shudder! [20] Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? What faith is this, your's? Your [or my] faith can never be pleasing the God in the sense that these verses refer. If you are born again you are to live by the faith of Jesus Christ who is in you. His faith alone is pleasing to God because it is the only faith equal to God, Himself. You and I are to practice that faith to show ourselves approved. Now our WORKS will demonstrate our FAITH not to be 'just in' Christ, but 'OF' Christ. Now, show me your works that will reveal Christ in you because your works will originate IN the mind of God! He calls us to perfection....His. Can you see that? "Let this mind be in you that was in Christ Jesus.... [see also Romans 8.2] |
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243 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92678 | ||
What you are not understanding is that the gospel must be heard in order to believe--again look at Romans 10. Those appearing before the throne in Rev 20 are not all believers waiting to receive rewards. The text does not say that. What it says is that each gets judged according to his works. But you must believe that some are. What about them? And never mind rewards at this point. Lets just think about the salvation unto life eternal in Heaven. Those that stand there who have done good deeds are the ones Jesus died for [though He surely died for all]. Hence their names are written in the book of life along side those of us who have had Christ preached to us and have believed on Him for salvation.. Now the question becomes: What did you/we do with Christ? We have the greater blessing and the greater responsibility inasmuch as we can be and SHOULD BE His disciples. Those others knew nothing of being "born again". Who will receive the greater reward given the opportunity we have and don't seize it? Who is the promise of Pentecost for, if not for us? |
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244 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92666 | ||
Say what? What do you mean fire testing my works? What works? You tell me I have to do works to be saved? Build what? Maybe you mean works after I'm saved? Well what works would they be? Will they keep me saved if I do them? Why do I need them if grace is what it is all about? Why should I worry about works if I'm saved anyway? You got alot of questions to answer, my friend. Good Luck. But then again maybe the verses you post are meant for born again folk who know what the kingdom of God is all about; Disciples of Christ. I think so. |
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245 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92665 | ||
But they never heard his word, Steve, before they died. Get the picture? | ||||||
246 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92655 | ||
You just might now consider what the preaching of the gospel to be all about if not the telling of the good news concerning the kingdom of God to those who think upon God, live their lives accordingly and desire to know HIM that they become jointheirs with Christ by the KNOWING of God as Jesus knew Him.. That's what evangelism SHOULD BE all about. That's what Jesus explained and Paul taught. Do you really believe 'just saved people' are joint heirs with Christ? |
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247 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92654 | ||
"To what am I not paying attention? You said that there are those who have not heard the gospel which will be in the book of life. Scripture says you are wrong" __________________________ Sorry but scripture says I'm right. Rev. 20:12 (YLT) and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is that of the life, and the dead were judged out of the things written in the scrolls—ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.... Malachi 3:16 (KJV) Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name. ...... .......wondering who He could be maybe and living their lives accordingly? Does that sound like people going to hell? I don't think so. I believe they are those who Jesus redeemed from the grave....and will continue to redeem from the grave. |
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248 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92645 | ||
A side question for you, Curtman: Sometimes these two words are interchangeable in scripture but, in your estimation, is there a difference between being 'saved' and being 'redeemed'? A second question I might ask is what relationship does being "born again" have to do with both/either these words? Can either stand independent of the experience of the INDWELLING? If not, why not? |
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249 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92641 | ||
Before Jesus was born the world was filled with people residing in many places. They were a mixture of the wicked and the righteous, as best they could be who showed they were by they're good deeds, who all died. Even during His lifetime and afterwards, this was and is the case even today. My question for you is: Does the salvation Jesus provides extend to any of them? | ||||||
250 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92475 | ||
"The Old man is done away with and I am now concerned with the New Man, the things of God? I'm thinking that all this is a RESULT of Salvation. Is there a Real Issue of why Jesus came to earth, other then to save people, or did I miss your point somewhere??" Who said the old man is done away with? Where do you read that? If that were so then there would be no reason to "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling", after you're saved. Isn't that what Paul exhorts us to do? Then why the need if the old man is dead? Why the need to purify the soul if there isn't more to being a Christian than just being saved and believing [wrongly] the old man to be dead? Read 1 Peter chapter 1 in light of Heb 5.8. If Jesus is the first of the first fruits are we not expected of the Lord to be sons and if sons then to expect to suffer as Jesus [the man] suffered; to be tested as He was tested? John 15:2 (NASB) "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, HE TAKES AWAY; and every branch that bears fruit, HE PRUNES IT, that it may bear more fruit. This is why we must bring our Old man into obedience with the dictates of the NEW man we are, in Christ. That's not an automatic. Success in this is a result of our success with living the Great Commandment. What is Spiritual warfare all about if it isn't about conquering the biggest enemy we have, our selfish old natures? We all have to expect to have our own personal wilderness experiences where our allegiances are revealed. If Jesus had His, why not us also? What would have happened if He had failed? What will happen if we fail? ----------------------------- Your post is excellent inquiry. I've searched this thing out for years and am now able to see the conclusion to the matter. i.e., Once we are born again we MUST LEARN how to embrace [with all our emotions] the Great Commandent by prayer and the study of the word that reveals God's ultimate intention for those who love Him followed by our resoluteness in seeking the Kingdom of God. In all this is the power 'to become' given us because of the Spirit of the law of life working in us. [Rom.8.2] He shows the things of Christ that we appropiate them for ourselves. They are ours! It's His PROMISE to us that we, who seek with our whole heart to love Him, become like Him. That IS Father's 'ultimate intention'. There's much scripture to support all of this. In fact, the whole NT supports this. |
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251 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92457 | ||
how do I find where that post is? | ||||||
252 | unrighteous shall not inhert the kingdom | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92453 | ||
Luke 13:28-29 (KJV) There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. [29] And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. Luke 14:15 (KJV) And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. Luke 16:16 (KJV) The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. Luke 17:20-21 (KJV) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: [21] Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. Luke 18:16-17 (KJV) But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. [17] Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein. Luke 18:24-25 (KJV) And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! [25] For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Luke 19:11 (KJV) And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. Luke 21:31 (KJV) So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand. Luke 22:16 (KJV) For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God. Luke 22:18 (KJV) For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come. Luke 23:51 (KJV) (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them;) he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God. John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. John 3:5 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. |
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253 | unrighteous shall not inhert the kingdom | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92452 | ||
Mark 10:23-25 (KJV) And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God! [24] And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God! [25] It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Mark 12:34 (KJV) And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question. Mark 14:25 (KJV) Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God. Mark 15:43 (KJV) Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. Luke 4:43 (KJV) And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent. Luke 6:20 (KJV) And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God. Luke 7:28 (KJV) For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. Luke 8:1 (KJV) And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him, Luke 8:10 (KJV) And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand. Luke 9:2 (KJV) And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick. Luke 9:11 (KJV) And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing. Luke 9:27 (KJV) But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God. Luke 9:60 (KJV) Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God. Luke 9:62 (KJV) And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God. Luke 10:9 (KJV) And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. Luke 10:11 (KJV) Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you. Luke 11:20 (KJV) But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. Luke 12:31 (KJV) But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you. Luke 13:18 (KJV) Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? Luke 13:20 (KJV) And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God? |
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254 | unrighteous shall not inhert the kingdom | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92451 | ||
Matthew 6:33 (KJV) But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Matthew 12:28 (KJV) But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Matthew 19:24 (KJV) And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 21:31 (KJV) Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you. Matthew 21:43 (KJV) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. Mark 1:14-15 (KJV) Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, [15] And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel. Mark 4:11 (KJV) And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: Mark 4:26 (KJV) And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; Mark 4:30 (KJV) And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? Mark 9:1 (KJV) And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power. Mark 9:47 (KJV) And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Mark 10:14-15 (KJV) But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. [15] Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein. |
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255 | unrighteous shall not inhert the kingdom | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92450 | ||
No, these are different. The kingdom of God is the spiritual rhelm we were translated into when we were born again. Colossians 1. Matthew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Mark 10:14 But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God. Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. I fully realize that the kingdom of God is the government of God. Matthew mentions both but I believe in most instances they are interchangable terms. I could be wrong but you need to make the study. |
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256 | unrighteous shall not inhert the kingdom | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92447 | ||
They are the same. Matthew alone calls it the kingdom of Heaven.[I think] | ||||||
257 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92445 | ||
"Now I do believe that God is very capable of sending missionaries to peoples who desire to know in their heart, but the fact is God knows the hearts of all men. Many do not want to know. No mand comes to the Father but through Jesus' blood." It's not a matter of people coming to Christ for salvation. This is matter of His blood being shed for ALL mankind, even those who never heard His name and what He did for them either before HE came or after He came. Why don't consider the many who can't/couldn't be reached in times when transportation wasn't available plus all those before Jesus died on the cross who lived life as best they could by a righteous of their own that God says He will honor.. Are you saying they are all damned? Those that saw or recognized God in nature and the birth of their babies and anything else you might think they may have witnessed in life to convince them of a God they LONGED to enjoy or feared that they did righteous deeds. C'mon. Are you saying they are in hell? For one thing Jesus said he had sheep of another flock you don't know of. I don't take this to mean the Mormons either. John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. As I said to someone else, let the Bible say what it says, then go from there. |
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258 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92442 | ||
"Do you consider the scriptures the infallible word of God and the final basis for all our beliefs as Christians?" Yes! |
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259 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92440 | ||
You're not paying attention, Steve. | ||||||
260 | unrighteous shall not inhert the kingdom | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92424 | ||
Can't we begin to see, in light of what Paul was saying in his letters, that this doesn't apply to just the unconverted but more to the converted who don't live the life as to becoming a son? Can we begin to see that we can fall away and become an outcast; to enter presumptiously into the wedding feast without a wedding garment? | ||||||
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