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21 | Theology of Glory versus the Cross | 2 Tim 3:13 | Jesusman | 195162 | ||
There's nothing wrong with trying to motivate others to do better. Paul even tried to motivate others to do better in service to Christ. By what is presented here, I see nothing wrong with what is stated. What is the context of the excerpt from Osteen? Did he site any passages from scripture? Context applies to more than just scripture, but to all things we experience. There's not enough given here to dictate one way or another. Jesusman |
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22 | What is truth? | John 18:38 | Jesusman | 195121 | ||
All I have to say is that if we create our own reality, then can I trade mine in for something different? On top of that, If we reject logic as being merely an illusion, then what's left? Basically, he's reducing life to a tom and jerry cartoon. Everything in existance today revolves around Logic on some level. Jesusman |
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23 | What is truth? | John 18:38 | Jesusman | 195116 | ||
It's funny when you speak to someone about the absolute nature of truth and they respond with their relativism philosophy. What they fail to realize is in order to be true to their philosophy, and for others to hold to the same philosophy, that the philosophy of Relativism becomes an Absolute Truth in and of itself. Thus defeating it's own premise. It also opens up the door to the argument that if one absolute truth exists, aka Relativism, then there is the likelihood of other absolute truths existing, aka God. On the other hand, if Relativism isn't absolute, then it shoots down it's own credibility. Relativism can only be true for one person and one person only. It holds no power or authority to another person. If I say something is true because it's true for me, and there are no Absolute truths, then what authority do I have to say that what I say is true should also be true for you. This can lead to anarchy. How can we hold criminals responsible for their crimes against the laws of the land with this being the prominant philosophy? You can't. Even with a majority saying the same relative truth, it only takes one to say that it isn't true for them to begin unravelling authority and credibility. Some of the more zealous supporters of relative truth might disagree here, but the fact is that something needs to be held as an Absolute Truth. There is no way around it. The originator of Absolute Truth is God. Jesusman |
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24 | Romans 5:6-8 how it shows Gods love | Rom 5:6 | Jesusman | 194227 | ||
Greetings Anne, I've been reading your responses and questions. I have many questions of my own to ask, but to do so will take more time and effort than I have at the moment. However, your last line the previous note intrigues me. "PS, There is a lie in Ro 1 and 2Th 2 and you all believe in it as you will find out on Judgment Day." Please tell us what you believe these lies to be, and why you believe them to be lies. You have repeatedly thrown the phrase "False Christians" about liberally, and even made several severe accusations against many of the contributors of this forum. I wish to know by what authority and foundation do you claim in order to make such accusations. I feel compelled to remind you of the starting portion of John chapter 8. You have used John chapter 8 in many of your notes. I wish to know if you have read the first portion of it, specifically John 8:1-11. Jesus has returned to the Temple and begins to teach. He is approached by the Scribes and Pharisees, who have a woman caught in the act of adultery. The begin to test Jesus, quoting Scripture, and casting judgement upon the woman. Jesus simply kneels down and begins to write in the dirt. What he writes, we don't know, but shortly after he responds with his answer to their test. John 8:7 "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." Jesus kneels back down and writes more in the dirt. When he stands, the Scribes and Pharisees are gone. He asks the woman if any condemn her and she replies that they didn't. He then responds that he won't either. With this passage in mind, I ask again for you to provide proof of your authority to throw accusations to people being "False Christians". Only by looking into their heart of hearts can one truly and genuinely know if a person is saved or not, and the only person I know wish such capability is God himself. Also include proof of your authority to declare portions of God's word to be falsehoods. I await your reply. Jesus loves you. Jesusman |
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25 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193179 | ||
So, CDBJ, now you see me as a false prophet. How many more insults are you going to throw at me before you start to honestly read what I have been posting? Instead of being a closed minded calvinist, with your head in his commentaries, try actually reading and studying the Bible for yourself. You might actually learn that there are somethings taught within Doctrine that don't add up 100 percent with the Bible. You seem to think of yourself as a smart person. Tell me, CDBJ, what should I do when I come across a Doctrine that does not hold 100 percent true to scripture? Change my interpretation of the Bible? Be like Thomas Jefferson and rip out the Verses of the Bible that don't fit? Or should I change my doctrine to fit the Bible's true teachings? You say you forgive me for my assessment of you. Well, I'm glad. That's very christianly of you. Insult another christian twice and then turn around and forgive them when they get upset, just like many of the other christians I have met. Jesusman |
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26 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193163 | ||
Trust me, this horse has been whipped enough, and the best we can all do is to agree to disagree. Most of the points made have been valid ones. However, my concerns remain. If you examine the earthly life of Christ, there are many things that he did that does not hold true to the commonly taught doctrines of God. I listed many of them earlier. God is all knowing, yet Jesus admitted to not knowing when the second coming was. God is the creator, yet Jesus got hungry and thirsty. God is the eternal Judge, yet Jesus fled from self-righteous and sinful jews intent on stoning him. God is all powerful, yet Jesus was weakened by the fasting during his 40 days of the temptation. He was weakened and hurt prior to the death on the cross. During the temptation, Satan questions Jesus's authority. Jesus could have called down 10 thousand legions of angels to his side to subdue and be rid of Satan. It was well within his power and authority to do so. However, it was exactly what Satan wanted him to do. Satan wanted Jesus to use his powers, but Jesus refused to. He answered every temptation with scripture. Every time he is met with a temptation by Satan, Jesus falls back onto the Word. By Jesus having the capacity to giving into temptation, but using the Word of God to rebuke temptation, it is a much stronger statement of what is possible. Jesus is supposed to understand our struggles and trials. He is supposed to know what it's like to be tempted to compromise and give in just a little bit in order for things to turn out better. Yet .. if he's not capable of giving into temptation, then he cheated here. "OH yeah .. it was easy for Jesus rebuke temptation, he's God and such wouldn't even phase him. That's not our case! We don't have that luxury." With the capability to give into temptation while during his earthly life, even if it's a small chance, Jesus can reply "But I do understand. You know what I did? I did the same thing you can do. I had the same options you had. Give in .. or fall back onto the Word of God." Jesusman |
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27 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193161 | ||
I am saying that Jesus, while he was here on earth, could have, if he wanted to, given into temptation. After his death, he ascended to the Father and was then no longer able to because his full majesty had been restored and he was "exalted", as Paul puts it in Phillipians 2. The reason why I say this is because Jesus died. He chose to die, but died. If he was God and at his full majesty, he could not have died. Jesus didn't know things, like when the second coming was. Yet, Jesus is God and omniscient. There are inconsistancies about the Life of Jesus and what he was capable of that don't add up with the Doctrine of God found elsewhere. Paul, as I have mentioned before, says in Phillipians 2 that Jesus emptied himself and became the form of Man. Prior to Jesus being here during his earthly life, I believe he could not have given into temptation. After his earthly life, he could not have given into temptation. I believe these whole heartedly. However, the only explaination that I have is that while during his life on earth .. between the time of the virgin birth and the resurrection, Jesus was not at the full glory and majesty that he is at all other times. As such, there are things that would normally be impossible for him, that he was capable of doing so. Now, I am not down playing his divinity. His divine nature made such things as giving into temptation extremely difficult, and very easy for him to resist. Jesus got hungry. Jesus got thirsty. Jesus got hurt. Jesus died. Jesus cried. Jesus got mad. Jesus didn't know certain things. Jesus ran from danger. Do these things sound like attributes of God? Jesusman |
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28 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193159 | ||
The verse clearly reads that Adam was "with her". Not that she had to find him. But I will agree that Eve was tempted, but You need to agree that the verse does state that Adam was there with her. It says so in the verse in Genesis. | ||||||
29 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193155 | ||
I can either ignore this or answer it. Reguardless of how insulting the question is, I will answer it. I do not find "lies" with in the Bible. If you had honestly read the comments I made instead of jumping to conclusions, you would have realized that. There is an apparent contradiction with in this topic, and so far, I'm the only one who seems to see it. Now since there aren't any contradictions, there is something wrong with either my view point or with the counter claim. Thus far, the only person who has even attempted to make a valid argument is Wild Olive. Now .. if you seem to be "confused" about this topic so far, I will lay it out. Was Jesus capable of succumbing to temptation? The argument I lay out is that he could. Jesus was not at his full glory and majesty while on earth. Paul tells us this in Phillipians. As I have said, time and time again, in order for this to be a genuine temptation, there had to be risk of giving it. If Jesus was incapable of giving in, then there was no risk. No risk, means there was no temptation. No temptation means that Hebrews 4 is wrong. Hence .. the Contradiction I am seeing, which should not be. The counter claim is that Jesus is God, and God cannot sin, and that his omniscience means he understands temptation. I agree fully. However, the Bible also teaches that Jesus was tempted in every manner as we are tempted, yet remained "without sin". Now, CDBJ, The argument at it's base form has been laid out. If you have any .. "constructive" .. and "appropriate" questions to ask, please ask. If you intend to be a jerk again and ask insulting questions like the one you did, then keep your comments to yours. Thank you, Jesusman |
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30 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193151 | ||
The Bible teaches that Jesus was tempted in every manner as we were. How can he be tempted if he couldn't succumb to temptation? That is something I cannot simply shove off to the side and ignore. If Jesus could not in some form give into temptation, then there was no temptation. And if there was no temptation, then Hebrew 4:15 is a pure lie. Jesusman |
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31 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193150 | ||
Read the verse closely. "She gave also to her husband with her, and he ate." It says it right there in Genesis 3:6. He was standing right there with Her. Jesusman |
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32 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193141 | ||
The point of this is the same point that I have been trying to make this whole time. That while on earth, Jesus was not at his full glory .. his full power .. whatever you define it. Paul says so in Philippians 2. If Jesus could not know something, and still be God, then what else was limited about Jesus while he was here? | ||||||
33 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193138 | ||
You know what ... hold a moment on my previous post. I have a different question for you. Jesus is God. Jesus is omniscient as God. And Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Right? Turn to Matthew 24:36. This chapter in matthew is speaking of the second coming of christ. In this particular verse the statement is made that no one knows when the son will return. "Not the angels, nor even the son, but the Father only". Tell me .. how can God keep knowledge away from himself? How can God not know something?? Jesus is God, right?? Jesusman |
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34 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193137 | ||
Explain Philippians 2:7-9 for me. | ||||||
35 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193136 | ||
Ok .. explain Philippians 2:7-9 for me. | ||||||
36 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193135 | ||
It was Adam who sinned. Look at Genesis carefully. God told Adam not to eat. When the serpant spoke to Eve, Adam said nothing to stop it. She then "gave also to her husband ...". He was standing right there next to her. So .. Eve may have been the one spoken to, but Adam was standing right there next to her. Also notice, their eyes weren't opened when she ate, but when Adam ate. It was Adam who sinned, not Eve. Jesusman |
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37 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193119 | ||
I decided to write a second posting about the link you provided. The author makes a small assumption that clouds his thinking. He assumes that Jesus is the same today as he was on earth. Take a closer look at Phillipians 2. In verses 7 and 8, Jesus emptied himself and made himself in the form of a bond servant .. one of the lowliest members of society. He became a man and was obedient until he died. But notice in Verse 9. It says God exalted him. It's clear that Jesus, after the death on the cross, was not the same as he was prior to the death on the cross. He was much more than he was before. That makes a tremendous difference. Jesus is not the same now as he was on earth prior to the death on the cross. He is much more, and Paul confirms it in Phillipians 2. The writter of the article you provided never mentions this passage. He says that Jesus can empathize because he "understands" temptation. If Jesus was unable to sin, then he wasn't tempted. The writer seems to forget that in order to be tempted there needs to be some hint of the capacity to give in. I can try to tempt my car night and day with playboy magazine, but my car won't give into the temptation of lust. Why? Because it is incapable of such. Hence all I did was make a fool of myself. Now I know there is a massive difference between Jesus and my car, but the premise is the same. If there is no capacity to give in to temptation, then there was no temptation to begin with. There are a couple verses he sites, like Hebrews 2:18 where the verses prior talk about what I am proposing here .. that Jesus was made to be like man with the one exception of not being born and bound to sin so that he could live a perfect and righteous life to be the perfect sacrifice for sin. Jesusman |
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38 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193118 | ||
But you are forgetting one small detail. Jesus, while on earth, was not in his full glory. Paul tells us in one of his epistles that Jesus limited himself, Phillipian 2:1-11. Let me ask you this. Can God die? He can .. and did .. on the cross. God should not be able to die, yet he did. Am I saying that Jesus was a sinner? Definitely no .. far from it. I am saying that in order for this to be a genuine temptation, there had to be a risk of giving in, even if it's a small miniscule chance. Jesus did not have the sinful nature that we have. Adam didn't have our sinful nature that we have. However, Adam sinned. He wasn't sinful born like us. He was created perfect and holy, yet fell to temptation. Jesus, like Adam, came into this world perfect and holy. He remained that way. Jesus succeeded and endured where Adam failed. Jesusman |
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39 | Luke 23:43 where is the thief? | Luke 23:43 | Jesusman | 193036 | ||
Reguardless of when the punctuation is put into the text, the statement remains the same. Jesus is telling this thief that he will be in paradise. Be that Abraham's bosom, or heaven, or whatever, the fact is that the thief wasn't going to hell. Jesus begins by saying "truly I say to you ...". In other words, "I'm not lying here ...". Jesusman |
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40 | Luke 23:43 where is the thief? | Luke 23:43 | Jesusman | 193004 | ||
Exactly my point, Doc. As one of my college professors was noted for saying, "Context is King". Both Jesus and the Thief were dying in this moment of time. I dought seriously that Jesus was taking time out to give a parable or a philosophical discussion with multiple figurative meanings. Anyone who is at the moment of death will make sure that anything said will clear and straight to the point. Jesusman |
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