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21 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Eagle One | 30750 | ||
Greetings Lionstrong, You asked a question as follows: "The Father, Son, Spirit, and the Word are one what?" One God? I would like to ask you a question before I try to answer your question. What are your thoughts on John 1:1-4 and I John 1:1-3. John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4In Him was life, and the life was the light of men I John 1:1-3 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, concerning the Word of life-- 2the life was manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and declare to you that eternal life which was with the Father and was manifested to us-- 3that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. I look forward to discussing this with you. Thanks. In Him, Eagle One |
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22 | The Spirit and the Word: How Related? | Rom 8:11 | Eagle One | 30861 | ||
Greetings Lionstrong, Thank you for your reply. Why did you think I would delay further? I was interested in your thoughts and insight regarding John 1:1-4 because of the way a portion of your original question was worded. When you asked "(Or by the indwelling Spirit do we need to consult God's Word?) The general question is what is the relationship between the Spirit and the Word? More specifically, does the indwelling of the Holy Spirit make the Word or parts thereof superfluous?" I am strongly impressed that John 1:1-2 is the best possible answer. As you said "The Word in John I is the Word who became flesh and dewelt among us in John 1:14. That is, the second person of the Trinity." In addition, please consider the following: In many translations we find the word "with" used. "The Word was with God" Example: 1:1 "In the beginning1 was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God. 1:2 The Word was with God in the beginning." The word with is a preposition (prov). Am I a Greek scholar? By no means. However, I do enjoy reading word studies. In any case, "prov" implies not just proximity, but intimate personal relationship. M. Dods stated, "Prov means more than either metav or parav, and is regularly employed in expressing the presence of one person with another" ("The Gospel of St. John," The Expositor's Greek Testament, 1:684). Then a definite meaning for the term is reflected in the traditional rendering "the word was God." D. B. Wallace says, "Translations like the NEB and Moffatt are helpful in capturing the sense in John 1:1 that the Word was fully deity in essence just as much God as God the Father. The translation "what God was the Word was" is perhaps the most nuanced rendering, conveying that everything God is in essence, the Word is too." So to answer your question "One what? One God?" I'm comfortable with the description, "One essence". We know that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are one. John I tells us that the Word is one with the Father and the Son. So they are all one. So, since the Holy Spirit dwells within you and I, we are able to be taught as we study by "The Teacher". John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you." So, in answer to your question, "If we have the Holy Spirit does that mean that we don't need the Word?" As far as I am concerned, without the Holy Spirit the Word would just be words. In I John 1, we don't find a discussion of the oneness. But I love the description, "The Word of Life." Once again, thanks for communicating. I look forward to more discussions. In Him, Eagle One |
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