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21 | Does sin prove one is not a believer? | 1 Cor 6:9 | David24597 | 157912 | ||
Kalos you wrote "You ARE saying Jesus' blood is not sufficient for all sin, but only the sin(s) that had been committed up until the moment he died on the cross. So everyone born after the Crucifixion is on their own and they have to find some other way -- other than the blood of Christ -- to make atonement for sins." I haven't said that at all. Please read my posts a little more thoroughly. When I say "sins done in the future" I mean those commited after this point in time we call "now" NOT any sin done after the death of Jesus. To say that "those sins we will do at some point in time in the future are already forgiven" implies that we need to be forgiven for something we haven't even done yet. In which case those who are not saved are already guilty of things they haven't even done yet. God is the God of justice as well as the God of love. Where is the justice of condeming someone for something they haven't done yet? May not even do when the time comes? What has happened to freedom of choice now? The saved cannot choose to fall nor can anyone (saved or not) choose not to commit sins they are fated to do? |
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22 | Does sin prove one is not a believer? | 1 Cor 6:9 | David24597 | 157918 | ||
Hello Wild Olive First I requested you stick with only scripture. You added a quote from someone elses interpretations of the scriptures. Those verses you DID supply obviously would only apply to those that "have endured to the end" Matt. 10:22. There is nothing there in your references that shows it is not possible to again return to a sinful life and lose your salvation. Only if you have lost your free will you then have lost the power to choose. In which case you are not a creature of God (for He has created us with the power to choose) but have become a slave to another. |
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23 | Does sin prove one is not a believer? | 1 Cor 6:9 | David24597 | 157960 | ||
Wild Olive I am not denying that the saved have eternal life. Most of these texts also support that. What I am saying is the saved must contunue until the end to remain saved. Allow me to examine some of the texts you provided. Phil 1:6 is conditional "if" we remain sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. verse 10 So is that of 1 Peter 1:3-5 dependant upon our remaing faithful "to the end". verses 13 and 14 1 John 4:4 needs to be read with the entire chapter. Verse 12 adds the condition "if we love one another" and verse 17 shows a developement of that love over time. John 10:27-30 only applies to those that follow Jesus - verse 10. Obviuosly "follow" does not mean follow for a short time then turn away again later but to follow as long as they live. You should have added verses 20 and 21 to the text from John 3:16. It to is conditional upon our continual obedience. Funny you should add Titus 3:7 without including the very next verse there either. Consider 11 Chron. 1:13 and 1 Peter 1:13 Theres is abundant evidence in scriptures showing the saved must continue on in their fauth to remain saved. It would be a waste of time to take several hours searching through the Bible for passages most of you would discount anyway as you have those I have already supplied. I suggest each and every one of you to go back to the beginning, read the Bible through from Gen. to Rev. paying special close attention to every place this subject is mentioned. See for yourselves whether salvation is depentant on our remaining faithful throughout our lives. |
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24 | Does sin prove one is not a believer? | 1 Cor 6:9 | David24597 | 157990 | ||
Hi Mark. You said “I am saved if I hold on to my faith til the end, if I keep myself from returning to sin. If I do not do these things, I may lose my salvation. The work of salvation is begun by God, but continued by me. The work of maintaining my salvation is mine, and so the glory upon reaching heaven is mine.” Is this what the Bible teaches? I don't think so. You are so close to what I am saying but still a bit short of the mark. Consider Isa. 1:18 and Phil. 2:12. We can of our ownselves do nothing. But, with the help of the Holy Spirt, yes the work of maintaining our salvation is our own, with God's help. The "glory upon reaching heaven" is a SHARED glory. |
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25 | Does sin prove one is not a believer? | 1 Cor 6:9 | David24597 | 157991 | ||
again I wish there was an edit button to add this to the end of my last post: John 17:22, Rom. 8:18, 1 Cor. 15:41-43, 11 Cor. 4:17, Eph. 1:18, Col. 3:4, 1 Thess. 2:14, Heb. 2:10, 1 Peter 5:1-4 I added these cause I'm sure some will think I am trying to claim God's is not the only glory should be recieved. But our glory is that we give it to God. Rom. 15:17, 1 Cor. 1:29-31, 11 Cor. 10:17, Gal. 6:14, Rev, 21:24-26 |
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26 | How do you explain the mystery? | Phil 2:8 | David24597 | 159735 | ||
I think of it like this: God considers a man and his wife to be one being in and of itself - Gen. 2:24. The same would apply to a "family unit" so to speak. A family can consists of a man, his wife and any number of children or even other relitaves living with them. This "family unit" is one single family (i.e., in the eyes of God, one single being). So the "Godhead" is one God consisting of 3 seperate entities. Anyway that's how I attempt to explain the Trinity. Hope it helps. |
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27 | 1,000 year reign | 1 Thessalonians | David24597 | 159663 | ||
Hi Searcher, There are only 2 resurrections in the last days. Jesus' own words in John 5:28-29, the resurrection of life (i.e. the 1st resurrection of Rev. 20) and the resurrection of damnation (the 2nd one after the 1,000 years). To say there are more than these 2 resurrections is a direct contradiction of Rev. chapter 20. If there were others then John has lied calling the resurrection at the beginning of the 1,000 years is the 1st (if there are/were others before the 1st). All the righteous dead are raised at the same time, Jesus' second coming, and this marks the beginning of the 1,000 years of Rev. 20. These are the only ones "immune" from the second death - Rev. 20:6 |
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28 | but where were they? | Rev 12:9 | David24597 | 159673 | ||
I would agree with "BibleAnswer" although I prefer the KJV for Eze.28:11-19 "Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying, Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never [shalt] thou [be] any more." And would also include Isa. 14:12-20 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, [and] consider thee, [saying, Is] this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; [That] made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; [that] opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, [even] all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, [and as] the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, [and] slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned." |
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29 | Scriptural Support? | Rev 12:9 | David24597 | 159737 | ||
I have no idea what "Russellist" is or what they believe doc | ||||||
30 | Scriptural Support? | Rev 12:9 | David24597 | 159738 | ||
The word "Archangel" is a title that means "Head" or "Chief" of the angels. Having the title of "Archangel" is not an indication that Michael is Himself an angel or any other type of created being. The only clue as to what type of being the Archangel really is would then be in His name. The name "Michael" means "He who is like God" or "Who is equal to God". This name can only be applied to Jesus. | ||||||
31 | Scriptural Support? | Rev 12:9 | David24597 | 159792 | ||
The Bible is full of evidence that only Jesus can claim to be "He who is like God". Which verses out 100 or so are you having trouble with? | ||||||
32 | Scriptural Support? | Rev 12:9 | David24597 | 159797 | ||
Kelos, You said, "Michael the Archangel, though, is only an angel." and "Michael the Archangel is a powerful angel, but still only an angel." What Biblical evidence do you have that this is so? Nowhere does the Bible actually state that Michael is an angel so where are you getting this from? His title? The title "Archangel" is not proof that Michael is an angel. The actual phrase "Michael the Archangel" literally interpreted is "He who is like God, the head/chief of all the angels." Who besides Jesus can be "He who is like God"? Any created being? If an angel can be "like God" then so can any created being. Just because Jesus rebuked Satan while He was a human living on the earth and Michael didn't when disputing about the body of Moses is not proof that Jesus is not Michael. Old Testament cicumstances were different then than when Jesus walked the earth and gave power to His followers to also rebuke Satan. |
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33 | Scriptural Support? | Rev 12:9 | David24597 | 159799 | ||
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34 | Scriptural Support? | Rev 12:9 | David24597 | 159842 | ||
I have already answered the question that I am not a Jehovah's witness. You should look at my posts more carefully. I do however believe the Bible teaches that Jesus and Michael are one and the same person and have given the Bible verses that lead me to believe that. This does not in any way detract from the fact that Jesus is God, our Creator. As for "have concentrated on pushing an idea that has been condemned as unbiblical and heretical by the orthodox church for years" - I don't care what "denominational" churches teach. This is what I have been lead to believe from my own studies over the past 30 odd years apart from any organized church religion. If people don't want to see the Biblical evidence right in front of their faces they don't have to. I won't post anything else on this subject. |
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