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21 | How did godly men marry several women? | 1 Corinthians | BibleStudent74 | 86270 | ||
That is incorrect [Loving Christ]. It was NEVER God's plan for ANY man (godly or not) to have more than 1 wife. There were always consequences for those godly men that had more than 1 wife. Beginning with Abraham (Edom and Israel), down to David and Solomon to name a few. There was never peace between their children and they always suffered for it. There was no NEW law that specifically said you cannot have more than 1 wife because it was already instituted from the beginning (Gen 2:24). Remember, Jesus did not come to change any law, he came to fulfill, magnify the law. See Mark 10:5-9 for clarity. |
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22 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | BibleStudent74 | 88485 | ||
Greetings Tim, I see you have another debate going on, I'm wondering if you forgot about me or if I have offended you? It's regarding my last post to which I have not received a response yet. Here it is again: ------------------------------------------------ Subject: Where is Luke 16:19ff called a parable? Note: the response to this post, Note: Greetings Tim, I'm reposting my second paragraph because it seems that you have overlooked this. This is not speculation. No, it does not explicitly say that it was a demon. Nor does it say explicitly that God raised him up either, but knowing the God that I serve, he would not contradict himself. If he said in Exo 22:18 "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." WHERE is the pattern of proof that God would work and listen to any witch (namely the witch of Endor) in raising Samuel (a known prophet of the true God) up? Your Brother in Christ, Phil |
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23 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | BibleStudent74 | 88534 | ||
It wasn't an attempt. They are very well connected. Saul had obeyed the commandment of God in putting away the witches. That's why they were in hiding. Is that speculation? I thought it was clear in this verse 1 Sam 28:11 " Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel." It would be speculation to say that it was someone else. She specified "Who should I bring up" (READ:I will excercise my devilish practice for your pleasure) Do you see then why I say it couldn't have been Samuel? Your thoughts Your Brother in Christ, Phil |
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24 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | BibleStudent74 | 88589 | ||
Dear Tim, I understand where you're coming from. The reason why I have continued thus far is because I used to think like you did. The text says this, the text says that. If we were to continue in that way of thinking, we would have a great problem with Matthew 27:9 "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;". We all know that it wasn't Jeremiah that said it but Zechariah 11:12 "And I said unto them, If ye think good, give me my price; and if not, forbear. So they weighed for my price thirty pieces of silver." You can't call the entire bible false because of a slip of the tongue that Matthew had. He was thinking Jeremiah but it was Zechariah that said it. Do we then throw out the bible because of the human errors that are found in it? No, we seek the truth in what the message is. God wants us to think. Remember why he asked Adam "Where are you"! It wasn't that he didn't know where Adam was but he wanted Adam to think about what he was doing. 2 Peter 1:21 "For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were MOVED by the Holy Ghost." (emphasis added) The men were inspired to write, not told what to write. I am merely doing what was commanded of me in. 1 Thessalonians 5:21 "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." As I stated before: It could not have been Samuel who was raised up because it was a witch that did it. You cannot say that there is consciousness in death simply because you saw it once in scripture. I believe the reason why you are spending alot of time defending what you believe is because you might be wrong. There is only one truth. For us to find that truth, we must measure the verses with the whole bible. I am not one to be rude and I don't wish to make others feel uncomfortable. If you wish this thread to end then I will move on. If you wish to help me "See the light" then consider what I have said. Your Brother in Christ, Phil |
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25 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | BibleStudent74 | 88649 | ||
Dear Tim, You wrote: "The illustration you cite from Mt. 27:9 doesn't justify throwing out the words of the Bible. The quote in Mt. 27:9 seems to be primarily from Zechariah, but it also seems to be from Jeremiah as well (Jer. 19:1-13 and 32:6-9). Matthew may have only mentioned Jeremiah because he was a major prophet." I respectfully disagree. Matthew has clearly made a mistake. Now forgive my ignorance (and I feel foolish asking) but what do the verses you quoted have anything even remotely to do with the prophecy that Matthew quotes regarding Jesus being sold for 30 pieces of silver? Matthew is clearly quoting Zechariah 11:12. I don't have a problem with this though. It's what scholars call a "lapsus linguae" (slip of the tongue). I'm not saying that I would throw out the bible because of the errors found in it. It is still the inspired word of God. I recognize that it was man that wrote it, but for it to be in such harmony throughout the years is something I believe must be supernatural. Only God could have inspired these men to write and not have it contradict what he has told other prophets. I bring up the example of Matthew because here is a clear example of what is written being in error with what is true. Jer. 19:1-13 and 32:6-9 both have nothing to do with Messianic prophecy much less, prophecy of Jesus being sold for thirty pieces of silver. I believe the heart of the matter between me having a problem with consciousness in death and you believing in consciousness after death lies with your belief of "verbal inspiration". Which is how we come to this discussion. You also wrote: "However, to turn Mt. 27:9 into an error because they used a different method of citing sources than we do today would be an error on our part. I could see your point if Jeremiah had nothing to do with the quote, but he does." Please enlighten me as to how Jeremiah has something to do with the quote please. Your Brother in Christ, Phil |
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26 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | BibleStudent74 | 88699 | ||
Dear Tim, ::sniff::sniff:: I smell a copout ;-) j.k. Well, if you want to go by tradition, then it is also a well known fact of Jewish tradition that they held that Moses was "ressurected" a few days after he died,( I think it was three) hence the Jewish New Testament writer Jude talking about Moses and the devil contending over that ressurection. I used this text before to prove that Moses wasn't dead remember? Do you still want to use a well known practice among 1st Century Jews to explain something that to a bible student like you or myself can clearly see is an error? You can't string together a Messianic prophecy with something completely unrelated. I feel as if now you are having a hard time accepting this because it is new to you. (or have I presumed too much?) Like I said Tim, I was just as shocked to learn this fact. All throughout bible history, God has used men to spread his word. Because everything that is human is imperfect we must accept the idea of imperfections and mistakes in the bible. This doesn't change the message! Nor should it bring about any controversy. I believe there are many things that were verbally inspired in the bible like the ten commandments for example but the vessel in which the message was carried is imperfect. God chose imperfect man with his imperfect language to spread his message, not perfect angels. They used the vernacular and examples or sayings of the times that don't make sense today. Your Brother in Christ, Phil |
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27 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | BibleStudent74 | 88761 | ||
Dear Tim, Just so that I'm clear on what your saying. Your saying that when Matthew writes Matthew 27:9 "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;" he really means Jeremiah even though he is directly quoting Zechariah? It seems that your saying he was talking about buying the field with 17 PIECES OF SILVER because God was going to have Israel set free again. That's what your references are referring to. If that were the case, then why would Matthew himself make a connection with Judas selling Jesus out for thirty pieces of silver and saying (I'm paraphrasing) "and when this happened, this was the fullfilment of the prophecy found in Jeremiah that says "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;"? This doesn't add up. I need to blur my vision in order to see it that way. Let's try to come to an agreement on both our parts. Fact#1 Matthew says to look in the book of Jeremiah for this quote. "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;" Fact#2 You look for that quote in the book of Jeremiah and you NEVER find it. Fact#3 If you look in every book in the old testament for that quote, you ONLY find it in the book of Zechariah. Specifically Zechariah 11:12 Am I making this up or can we agree on these three facts? Your Brother in Christ, Phil |
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