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1 Can you explain this phenomenon? Prov 1:29 JonCohen 120705
  In Romans 8:19-21 Paul provides an explanation that makes it easier to accept difficulties in life: "The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God."

To me that means that our creation is not yet over, that we the living are in an intermediate stage of development, and that we are being prepared for an eternal life by seeing both God's love and wrath.

The verse also aludes to a greater kind of freedom, a glorious freedom, that the saved will be granted in heaven in place of the limited freedom we have now. Scripture and experience informs us that none of us are worthy of the gift that is promised, and even the element of our calling to faith is predestined (see Romans 8:30).

My own experience with the Holy Spirit is that I am not free to will my own faith, but that it is provided to me. Perhaps it could ease troubled people to understand that they do not have to develop that faith on their own, but that they only have to look for God and he will provide it to them.
2 Do you understand it? Prov 1:29 Aixen7z4 120707
  We are trying to understand why Christians refuse help when they need it and it is being offered.

I will try to relate this matter to the topic in our fellowship meeting this evening. We considered the mind of Christ, that he submitted completely to the Father (John 5:30, etc.).

We looked at Paul and heard himsaying that to him to live was Christ (Phil 1:21); that he had been crucified with Christ (Gal 2:20).

We heard James referring to himself as a slave of Christ (James 1:1).

We heard Paul saying that "we" live not for ourselves but for him who died for us (2 Cor 5:14,15). We wondered whether the "we" referred to all of us as Christians, or to Paul and Timothy (2 Cor 1:1).

We watched a tape with KP Yohannan and saw his devotion to Christ. We wondered where we were in our own devotion to the Lord. Could we say that we were living only for him?

It is only fair to admit that we are not, to the extent that we fail to respond to the word of God. As it was, the group was responding, not only in this particular meeting, but by the fact of their regular attendance. This is a group of believers who are in counseling, at this meeting was their group practice. But we are aware of the fact that some people do not accept the offer of counseling. In a previous post we have shown that the word of God shows our need for it, and encourages us to get it.

And that is the problem, my friend. Some of us turn away and fail to respond to the word of God. We make excuses. We justify ourselves. What mystifies the counselor is that some of us refuse help when we need it. To fail at a task is one thing. To refuse help while one is falling is a mystery.

Do you have any experience with this?
3 Do you understand it? Prov 1:29 Mommapbs 120717
  Greetings - Why do folks refuse help falling? In a word, pride.

I suspect that pride is at the root of even our "doings" for the Lord. This is what I call the "sin of obedience." When we are motivated by pride (positive or negative), we often become deaf and blind to the condemnation of our heart, the Word of God and the prompting of the Holy Spirit. To refuse help when one is falling is just a symptom of a greater problem.

See Luke 18:9-14.

Blessings,

mommapbs
4 Might it be fear? Prov 1:29 Aixen7z4 120720
  Bless you, momma. And thank you for infusing your response with Scripture.

This is the most interesting of the responses we get.

Our ministry offers services to churches, but it is a task to get through, or through to, the gatekeepers. A wise sister told us yesterday: "Some pastors will not allow anything into the church unless they can say it was their idea in the first place". I suppose that there is a pride in having originated an idea. Now, the challenge for us is, how do you help them anyway? And if the problem is pride, then how do you help them with that?

We will work on that. But my immediate impression is that only time and circumstances will take care of that. We are working today with a church where the pastor has told us in the past that he has no further need for us. But he now has circumstances to deal with. He called this week for an emergency meeting, and today he is out of town and has left the church in our hands. Interesting that we would not have thought his problem was pride. He is a good man, and we were simply bewildered with his response. But we tried to maintain an inactive positive relationship.

We have a theory that, in spite of appearances, our basic problem is fear. What do you think of that? The scripture I have in mind is Genesis 3:10.
5 Might it be fear? Prov 1:29 Searcher56 120723
  It is pride ... I am better than you are. If a leader wants to take credit for everything good - set a trap by only giving enough information, so they will fall when the idea continues.

If they say they have no further need for the church, then the church should no longer pay him or leave en masse - for a Sunday or longer

It is fear ... I don't want anyone to know my weakness(es).


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 Questions and/or Subjects for Prov 1:29   Author 
 Can you explain this phenomenon? (?)
  Aixen7z4
 Aixen7z4 Once again you ask another phi...
  EdB
 Excellent post
  New Creature
 A person should be filled with dread, I ...
  Aixen7z4
 Aixen7z4 Once again you wax philosophic...
  EdB
 In Romans 8:19-21 Paul provides an expla...
  JonCohen
 Do you understand it? (?)
  Aixen7z4
 Greetings - Why do folks refuse help fal...
  Mommapbs
 Might it be fear? (?)
  Aixen7z4
 It is pride ... I am better than you are...
  Searcher56
 Greetings! And what causes us to fear? -...
  Mommapbs
 But I say, Have they not learned? (?)
  Aixen7z4
 See this post by Makarios 106095 - we wi...
  Mommapbs
 ...
  Aixen7z4
 ...
  compudex
 Greetings compudex - I'm sure that the ...
  Mommapbs
 Hi mommapbs, You are right, I should ...
  compudex
 It seems that those who engage in this b...
  Aixen7z4
 Just to give this thread some balance, I...
  Rowdy
 Balance is good. See Ecc 7:16,17.
  Aixen7z4
 I also want to add balance. Yes we are n...
  EdB
 In summarizing this topic at this point,...
  Aixen7z4
 I can only guess that almost everyone ha...
  Rowdy




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