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1	The Esau and Ishmael connection?	Gen 28:9	Makarios	98211
	Greetings Mommapbs, "Esau went to Ishmael and took as his wife, besides the wives he had, Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, Abraham's son, the sister of Nebaioth." Genesis 28:9 [ESV] Interesting Question... "28:6-9 Esau attempted to find favor in Isaac's eyes by doing what Isaac wished. By marrying Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael, Esau believed he had met the standard Isaac had given Jacob (v.1). Sadly, Esau could not regain his lost blessing. Mahalath is the same woman as Basemath, the daughter of Ishmael, in 36:2. Her name probably means "Dance." (1) By attempting to marry back into the line of Abraham (through Ishmael), Esau actually increases his iniquity by adding to his pagan wives (26:34-35) a wife from a family God had rejected. (2) It is interesting also to note that Ishmael himself had died 14 years earlier. Even as he attempts to find favor in Isaac's eyes, he still did not put away his heathen wives when he married into Ishmael's family. Therefore, can the prophecies of Edom also be applied to Ishmael? No. The record of prophecy of Ishmael's descendants rests in God's promise of 12 princes to Ishmael (cf. 17:20-21). Since Mahalath married into the line of Esau, then she would then be considered part of his line rather than that of the 12 princes of Ishmael. This was most likely not the last occasion where the line of Esau and Ishmael intermingled with each other. As the Hebrew people would have twelve tribes, so Ishmael's people would also have twelve families (25:12-18). Ishmael's line was the line of the 'lesser' promise as compared to Isaac's line, which is the 'greater' promise. Esau's line would serve Jacob's (25:23). I believe that Obadiah and other such prophecies regarding Edom should be considered as referring to the line of Esau without reference to Ishmael's line, even though this was most likely not the only occurrence where the two lines intermingled in marriage. Ishmael was Esau's uncle, and therefore Ishmael's line would not be "encompassed" in any way by Esau's line. And Esau's line could not be 'encompassed' by Ishmael's line, since Esau's line was given its own prophecy (25:23), and its own special designation by God (Romans 9:10-13). Blessings to you, Makarios (1) The Nelson Study Bible, New King James Version, 1997, Thomas Nelson, Inc., Earl D. Radmacher, Th. D., General Editor, pg. 57 (2) The MacArthur Study Bible, 1997, Word Publishing, John MacArthur, Author and General Editor, pg. 55
2	The Esau and Ishmael connection?	Gen 28:9	Mommapbs	98240
	Makarios - thank you for that scholarly reply - sometimes I just come across things like this in my persoanl study and wonder about them, and I guess if I wonder about them, others might be too. Thanks for clearing things up for me! mommapbs PS In consideration of what you wrote about Esau, the words of the sailors to Jonah reverberate in my mind this morning: they said, "How could you do this?" (!) Jonah 1:10
3	The Esau and Ishmael connection?	Gen 28:9	Makarios	98307
	You are welcome, Mommapbs! You know, sometimes I wonder about those things as well.. And, of course, Jonah didn't get straightened out until he woke up one day and found himself in the belly of a whale! :-) But that is what makes the Bible so beautiful, that is, is that every situation is so realistic to reality that you know it happened, since everyone has "gone the wrong way" at least once or twice.. In Indianapolis, if I get caught going the wrong way, I could find myself in Evansville if I'm not too careful! :-) Blessings to you, Makarios
4	The Esau and Ishmael connection?	Gen 28:9	Morant61	98330
	Greetings Makarios! If you find yourself in Evansville, feel free to stop by for lunch! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran
5	The Esau and Ishmael connection?	Gen 28:9	Makarios	98332
	Hello Tim! I sure will! :-) Nolan