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21 | Son or son? Holy Spirit or holy spirit? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65539 | ||
Thanks Tim. It will take me awhile to digest. | ||||||
22 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65544 | ||
There is a "ZERO" theory but it is not of theological context. Not trying to be mystical, it's just very hard for me because I work from facts and truths, hence all my crazy questions and challenges. Misconceptions or misunderstandings of definitions bother me tremendously. Basically what the "zero" theory is that "0" exists yet it is associated with "nothingness" yet "nothingness" is not capable of existence. If "nothing" existed then it would be something therefore it is not "nothing". "0" is mathematical proof to an entity which is the essence of existence, it is what a philospher Anaximander called the "boundless". Call it God if you wish, "0" is its mathematical proof. Anaximander (532 B.C.) - the beginning and the fundamental substance (stoicheion) of things is an infinite something - "The Boundless" as he designates it. He also says the "apeiron", the absolute is the source of all things. Other elements are constantly being exchanged, but the Boundless cannot partake of this changeableness, or else it would pass away. The Boundless is not like the other elements. This Boundless is uncreated and indestructible, being itself primary. It has no cause, but causes all other things. |
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23 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65730 | ||
[From EdB][The problem with the zero theory is not one of fact but rather of statement. The theory says zero exists but is nothing therefore for it to exist it has to be something. However stated thus we can see zero can and does indeed exist. Zero is the absence of anything, that condition can be mathematically proved, therefore the absence of anything or zero can be proven to exist. This is the same problem many people have with a belief in God, The problem is not that God does not exist or that his attributes can’t be seen, the problem comes from the non believing person stating conditions of belief that can not be met. Whenever mortal man tries to construct a box around God by the very definition of God we are destined to failure. EdB] Ed, You are correct! Let me restate a few things. Most people associate "0" with "nothing" and most people use the word "nothing" as if it were actually something. People do this because logically they know that absolute nothingness does not exist, therefore it is something. "NOTHING" cannot, will not, and can never exist. As you said, you can't have "nothing" if you have something. In mathematics, everything begins and ends with "0", everything that exists; exists because "0" exists, "0" is sovereign while all the other numbers depend or rely on another number, "0" is responsible for the creation of all the other numbers(they were created from "0"), "0" always exists(it never goes away and eventually it always shows back up), you can always find or turn everything over to "0" simply by multiplying by "0" and everything becomes "0". The point of the theory is: Even if you think, or it appears, you have "nothing" it is not true because there is no such thing as "NOTHING", you always have "something". Case and point, (which comes form the "ZERO" theory) absent everything else that exists, no matter what, whether it appears so or not, God exists and will always exist, you always have God, God is always with you, you can always reach God, and you can always bring God into your life. Some people have responded to my post of the "ZERO" theory, such as you did: "the problem comes from the non believing person stating conditions of belief that can not be met. Whenever mortal man tries to construct a box around God by the very definition of God we are destined to failure." It's not about trying to put a box around God. It's trying to show the NON-believing person, with mathematical proof and logical understanding, that he does indeed exists. "Use your mind to find all of Gods glory and use your heart to love him with all of your glory". |
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24 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65741 | ||
[quote from John Reformed] "The problem is not that people do not believe in God. The problem is that they will not worship Him as He is. Rom 1:20-22 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, It is my experience that you can waste a lot of precious time dicussing philosophical theories with unbelievers. Even if you do force an atheist to begrudgingly agree to the existence of God, it is still a long way to persuade him in a belief in the God of the Bible. Salvation or faith in Christ are not achieved through intellectual debate. They occur as a direct result of God's grace toward an individual. Faith is given as a gift. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God Just present the gospel and trust the Holy Spirit to bring them to spiritual life. Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. John" John, look at what you are saying: "The problem is that they will not worship Him as He is." "Even if you do force an atheist to begrudgingly agree to the existence of God, it is still a long way to persuade him in a belief in the God of the Bible." "Just present the gospel and trust the Holy Spirit to bring them to spiritual life." "Salvation or faith in Christ are not achieved through intellectual debate." Don't you think the ones who don't "worship Him as He is" is because they don't truely believe? "FORCED" can never replace love. To truely accept God it must come through the heart and mind from love and understanding, NOT FORCE. Isn't intellectual debate or "internal" debate the way we all learn to love? Why did God give you a mind if he didn't want you to use it? "It is my experience that you can waste a lot of precious time dicussing philosophical theories with unbelievers". How is it a waste of time to help someone discover the will of God. If they are a non-believer then they are searching for true, proof, understanding. It is actually these people who need the most help and are the most willing to accept help if it can be done at their level. As I have said John, "Use your mind to find all of Gods glory and use your heart to love him with all of your glory". There are no problems with the "ZERO" theory, it is divine. You should try to open up your mind and understand it, it will help you to serve God better by helping others find his glory. |
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25 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65757 | ||
John, [Quote from John] "I do believe that philosophy, logic and human reason can and should be used in the area of apologetics. But they are not the basis on which men will be saved. It is the Gospel that brings change in the heart of man. *****END QUOTE***** Correct! Man will be saved by bringing God into his heart. However, from your previous post, I think what [Eph.2:8-9] is saying is that it is by Gods grace that you automatically have faith. Meaning, I don't think you have to do anything and God will still accept you. However, when you take God into your heart is when you will see all of His Glory. I think what Rom 1:20-22 is focused on is the "being understood through what has been made". I think what it is saying is that God isn’t just all that *IS*, and don’t think yourself wise if that is what you believe, but that God is everything that *IS* *WAS* *OR COULD EVER BE*, whether it is seen or unseen, known or unknown, if it can be it is because of him. "0" is the exact same way. Perhaps you are number 541 and that is because your father was number 300 and your mother was 241 and together they made you, 541. But where did your mother and father come from? And where did they come from? It all trickles back to "0". The only reason you became 541 is because "0" exists. You can’t see "0" in 541 but it is there, always has been, always will be. What happens when (5-4)-1? Right, "0". Everything works this way. |
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26 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65781 | ||
[Quote from John Redeamer]"If you want to see the lost come to Christ, learn to present the gospel. It has the power not us." John, You are correct, the power is in the gospel and the gospel works from the heart. However, there are many people who search for things from their mind and don't open their hearts until their mind says it's okay. All the "ZERO" theory does is help those find, factually, what they are looking for. It is the scripture that they must turn in order to discover all of Gods glory. John, I am going to reveal something to you. I am not knowledgeble of the bible, I am not knowledgeble of science, or mathematics, I don't even have a college degree. Yet, by way of the logic in the "ZERO" theory, I have been able to accept that there truely is a God. It is only because of this logic that I was able to find what I was looking for. No one forced me, no one urged me, no one willed me, as a matter of fact no one even prayed for me. You see, I was more of an athiest then I was a christian but when I, through Gods grace, found the "ZERO" theory I was able to open my heart to what my mind would not allow me to in the past. So when you say things like:"If you want to help them discover the will of God then give them the "Word of God" and not fancy theorys designed to expose their erroneous logic. If they are unbelievers it reqiures God's action upon their hearts to bring them to a desire for Christ." That actually has a negative effect on someone like me because logically, it doesn't add up. There is alot of confusion in the bible as well as misintrepretaions and it is here where people close their hearts. The interesting thing about the "ZERO" theory is that there is no confusion, no misinterpretations, and every language understands it. Everything in the scriptures can be validated and substantiated by the "ZERO" theory. [quote from John]"If they are unbelievers it reqiures God's action upon their hearts to bring them to a desire for Christ". John, where do you think I came up with the "ZERO" theory?(All that is done is done for Him) Why do you think I am willing to share it? |
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27 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65874 | ||
Dear LionStrong: Thank you for your reply. You said: "In terms of mathematics zero is the point on the number line which separates negative and positive integers. One cannot do math with out it. In terms of things in the created realm zero IS nothing. To have zero apples is to have none. And there is One Eternal God, living and true. I submit that your theory of opposites is not only unbiblical but also faulty in itself." Let me bring a few thing about your statement to your attention. "ZERO is a point on the number line" (therefore it exists, it is not "NOTHING"...it is "SOMETHING) "seperates negative from positive"(It is the beginning and the End, but where exactly does that happen?) "To have zero apples is to have none"(Great point about the physical. Just because you have none doesn't mean that apples do not exist. Also, perhaps you had an apple and ate it, does the apple no longer exist or is it now part of you? Think about what you have said in relation to the number "0". With regards to mathematics "0" is not "nothing", every number or combination of numbers exist only because "0" exists, "0" is eternal. There is nothing unbiblical about the "ZERO" theory, actually it could be the most biblical thing next to the bible itself. What are your thoughts about [Numbers 1-36], have you read it? Why did God use numbers? Why did God command Moses to number everyone? |
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28 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65879 | ||
John, thank you very much for part 1,2, and 3. I think there is some misconection here. There is nothing in the "ZERO" theory which doesn't add up to what you just said. Have you read [Numbers]? Why did God give everyone a number? Who was "0"? What number exists whether any other number exists at all? What number is the begining and the end of all numbers? What number is responsible for the creation of every other number? what is the result when a number ceases to exist? What number is not seen but is the most powerful of everything? "0" is not like any other number, "0" is the only one that is eternal. John, there is no problem with me or what I am doing. I'm not sure why but you seem to think there is. I think that if YOU think a little about what I have offered you and study the scripture again that things might start looking a little clearer. John, please understand that the "ZERO" theory is of the bible from the bible. Scripture can be quoted and logic can be used; Again, "USE YOUR MIND TO FIND ALL OF GODS GLORY AND USE YOUR HEART TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL OF YOUR GLORY". You suggested I start with the book of John, What does [John 1:23] tell you? "He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias." He is saying, I am the voice of a number from the wilderness of Sinai.[Num. 1:1] Why is he a number? He is a number because it was Gods will. Mathematically, where do all numbers come from? They come from "0"! |
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29 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65907 | ||
[Quote from LionStrong] Again, the purpose of the forum is Bible study. It is not to propegate one's unbiblical philosophy. If you wish to continue to justify your unbiblical philosophy to me, my e-mail address is in my personal profile. Col 2:3, "in [Christ] are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." not Anaximander. Peace, ************END QUOTE**************** Sorry LionStrong, My intentions are not to "propegate one's unbiblical philosophy", actually quite the contrary. Everything I have said in the forum is biblically related, and I have never suggested that Anaximander did anything but make an observation. It is not Anaximander that came up with the "ZERO" theory. There has been nothing said about the "ZERO" theory that is not related to or cannot be refernced by scripture. What is it that you so afraid of? |
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30 | Quotes from where? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65930 | ||
Charis, Congratulations! You hit the nail on the head. "I know that no amount of thinking on my part will ever cause me to see God's glory, and I also know that 'all of my glory' is worth about 'zero.'" "ALL" of Gods Glory does not exist, it is unlimited. There will never be "ALL", you can always find more so keep looking. You might feel like all of your glory is is worth zero(Nothing) but again, "nothing" doesn't exist therefore you should know that you will always have glory.(glory:A highly praiseworthy asset.) Is your love of God worthless? |
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31 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 65963 | ||
Is mathematics biblically BASED? | ||||||
32 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 66057 | ||
[Quote form LionStrong]The basis of math is logic. The basis of logic is the logical/resonable mind of the Triune God of the Bible in whose image we are created. Atheism, for example, gives no adequate basis for math. Since man is the chance product of the impersonal-plus-time-plus-chance evolutionary processes, his logic is a product of chance. Man has evolved to think, and to think the way he thinks, and to think that he's really thinking! He could have evolved differently. He therefore has no reason to believe that the evolutionary processes would not have evolved a different logic where two plus two equals five. In contras to this, God reveals himself in Scripture as eternal and immutable. Therefore reason and logic are eternal and immutable in God in whose image we are created. Therefore math is not an evolutionary illusion. Peace, ******END QUOTE***************** I'm sorry LionStrong but I'm not really sure what it is that you are saying, I can interpret what you have said several different ways. One, it sounds like you are saying God has reason and logic, which is eternal, and since God created man in his image that we too have reason and logic which comes from God. If this is the case then are you saying God willed me the "ZERO" theory? Two, I have no idea what you are saying about the atheist. It seems like you are saying they think they can think because of evolution or chance when in reality it is not really them thinking at all??? Let me make a simple point: It was you, LionStrong, who said "mathematics does not work without the number 0".(I will add: at least not functionally) This is my case and point, man does not function properly without God. What I find intersting about this forum is that there are many people who seem to be offended by the "ZERO" theory even though they know very little about it. I actually thought it would be something people would embrace and try to learn more about rather then judge and condemn before they even know anything about it. |
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33 | attempt to merge philosophy, logic, and? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 66059 | ||
[Quote from Pastor Glenn] It souds like an attempt to merge philosophy, logic, and science. Science is related only to this physical universe and the present rules of physics. Since God is not bound by the laws of physics, isn't this a hopeless attempt? Also, is Stephen Hawking involved in formulation of this "Zero Theory"? Pastor Glenn ****************END QUOTE************** There is no such attempt to do any of the above. The only attempt there would be is to provide another avenue to Gods door through logic. I have no idea who Stephen Hawking is, so No, he is not involved. |
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34 | Do you know Jesus? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 66122 | ||
If I have caused you grief then please accept my appologies, that was not my intentions. It has been made PERFECTLY clear, by several, that I am not welcome here. Unfortunatly, because I voice my opinions rather than telling you what you WANT to hear, and because of my screen name, you condemn me and asked me to leave. I think it is a GREAT lose to all of you which was caused by a select few. "ZEROTHEORY" and the "ZERO" theory will never be seen here again. AS YOU WISH... Good Bye |
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35 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 66123 | ||
If I have caused you grief then please accept my appologies, that was not my intentions. It has been made PERFECTLY clear, by several, that I am not welcome here. Unfortunatly, because I voice my opinions rather than telling you what you WANT to hear, and because of my screen name, you condemn me and asked me to leave. I think it is a GREAT lose to all of you which was caused by a select few. "ZEROTHEORY" and the "ZERO" theory will never be seen here again. AS YOU WISH... Good Bye |
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36 | So...what is your theory? | Gen 1:26 | zerotheory | 66125 | ||
If I have caused you grief then please accept my appologies, that was not my intentions. It has been made PERFECTLY clear, by several, that I am not welcome here. Unfortunatly, because I voice my opinions rather than telling you what you WANT to hear, and because of my screen name, you condemn me and asked me to leave. I think it is a GREAT lose to all of you which was caused by a select few. "ZEROTHEORY" and the "ZERO" theory will never be seen here again. AS YOU WISH... Good Bye |
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37 | "I make peace, and create evil" | Is 45:7 | zerotheory | 65885 | ||
I need help with this one. [Isaiah 45:7]"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." |
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38 | "I make peace, and create evil" | Is 45:7 | zerotheory | 65887 | ||
[Quote from Skrittt] "concerning the verse isaiah 45:7, notice that the word hebrew word being used there is Ra which refers to evil in the sense of destruction or situationally bad things (not morally bad things). Rasha is the hebrew word for moral evil, not ra. so the thing here is trnslation of the word in hebrew and the understanding of the word evil as it is used in this passage. the definition of evil as definied by webster: 1 a : morally reprehensible : SINFUL, WICKED, an evil impulse b : arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct, a man of evil reputation 2 a archaic : INFERIOR b : causing discomfort or repulsion : OFFENSIVE, an evil odor, c : DISAGREEABLE woke late and in an evil temper 3 a : causing harm : PERNICIOUS ,the evil institution of slavery, b : marked by misfortune : UNLUCKY pay attention to 2 and 3, for these are the definitions of evil being used in the isaiah passage. again, the hebrew word for evil used in the passage is Ra which refers to definitions 2 and 3 above. I must also state again that moral evil is not a thing that is created; it has always existed, just as moral good has always existed. both hinge on the existence of God. with no God, there would be no eternal reference point for either, making both obsolete. God is good, and what is not of God is evil." *******END QUOTE****** I'm sorry but I'm gonna need to disagree with you. The only thing that has always existed is God himself, there is no eternal existence of "moral good" and "moral evil". Since God is the only thing that is eternal then **ALL** "good" AND **ALL** "evil" came from him, by him, and the scripture says so. I'm sorry, but I don't think we can pick and choose the definitions that work best just because we don't want to believe them. I don't think it is fair to say "this isn't the interpretaion he ment". God is the pinnacle, he is above both "good" and "evil", and he is neither. He created both for a reason and I think it should be asked, why did God create "EVIL"? |
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39 | "I make peace, and create evil" | Is 45:7 | zerotheory | 65917 | ||
[Quote from Joe] "The better question would be, "Why does He allow evil to exist?" -Joe! ******END QUOTE************* Because if there was no evil there could be no good. Good and Evil depend on each other for their existence. Without one the other would become "normal". Joe, with all that you know how is it that you can't see that God is above "GOOD". God is limitless, and "GOOD" places a limit. Is there not anything higher than "GOOD"? It won't matter how "good" you are or how much "good" you do, it can't equal God. "Good" is limited. |
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40 | "I make peace, and create evil" | Is 45:7 | zerotheory | 65933 | ||
[quote from Skritt] "concerning God being good, you say that He is above good, but how so? what does that mean? So since the only thing that existed eternally was God himself... without characteristics? was he as formless and void as the earth before creation? He had no characteristics at all? explain yourself." ***********END QUOTE************ "Good" is a description, it also insinuates the opposite if "bad/evil". God is beyond that, there is nothing that is opposite of God. You cannot limit God to "good" because he is more than that. "GOOD" is limited, God is limitless. "So since the only thing that existed eternally was God himself... without characteristics? was he as formless and void as the earth before creation? He had no characteristics at all? explain yourself." God is before everything, He is before space itself. Imagine no space, no time, no planets, no light, NO anything. Absent everything else there is still something, always has been, always will be, it is the eternity of God. Oh, it just so happens "0" proves that mathematically. Also, I never said all sin comes form God. |
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