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1961 | It shall come to pass in the last days | Rev 1:1 | mark d seyler | 183073 | ||
Referring to Revelateion 1:1 ". . . the things which must soon take place. . . " Quote: "'This Greek clause is often used by pretribulationists to support their argument of imminency," This statement was recently made in an answer to a question concerning the Greek "en tachei", "in quickness". As an avid student of prophecy, I am not aware of any Pre-Tribulation Rapture teacher who uses this verse to support the idea that the Bible teaches us that the rapture could happen at any time, and that there are no visible signs or events that will precede it. If there are any that use this verse in this way, even so, it is certainly not the prevalent position. This is a statement from John Walvoord in commentary of this verse: "That which Daniel declared would occur "in the latter days" is here described as "shortly" (Gr., en tachei), that is, "quickly or suddenly coming to pass," indicating rapidity of execution after the beginning takes place. The idea is not that the event may occur soon, but that when it does, it will be sudden (cf. Luke 18:8; Acts 12:7; 22:18; 25:4; Rom. 16:20). A similar word, tachys, is translated "quickly" seven times in Revelation (2:5, 16; 3:11; 11:14; 22:7, 12, 20)." Thomas Ice referrences this quote as well in hes writings, showing his agreement with that understanding. These two gentlemen are unquestionable two of the strongest and most widely known proponents of the Pre-Trib rapture among those serious students of this view. Tim LaHaye and J. Dwight Pentacost are also in agreement with this understanding, that Rev. 1:1 is not to be understood as showing the timing of these events, but rather the nature in which they happen. So while Van Kampen claims that his interpretation of "en tachei" is in disagreement with pre-trib rapture teaching, in fact it is not, and as such, this is a "straw man" argument. It is irrelevant to the discussion, and presents a false view of the opposing side. At best, he is taking a minority view and persenting it as mainstream, although, personally, I am not aware of any generally recognized pre-trib rapture teacher who teaches this verse as Van Kampen claims. If you would like more information regarding errors contained on the www.revelationcommentary website, or www.solagroup, please email me at markdseyler@yahoo.com. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1962 | time of mourning | Rev 1:7 | mark d seyler | 150132 | ||
Some observations on the material presented by www.revelationcommentary.com: This web site is presented by the same people as Sola Group It did not take me long to notice numerous errors as I read this material. Please be advised to compare anything you read with scripture. Always study scripture for yourself, turning to commentators only to supplament your own individual study. Them “””3. Every eye - universalistic (both Jews and Gentiles as indicated by the phrase "those who pierced Him.") 4. Those who pierced Him - Israel and Romans - Acts 7:51-52; John 19:31, 37; ca. Zechariah 12:10 5. All the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him - refers to mourning out of despair at the return of Christ by the wicked. This is the sense of Matthew 24:30. While some would argue that Revelation 1:7 is a reference to the Lord’s return at Armageddon, a closer examination supports the parousia of Christ. This is when He gathers His church to heaven and begins to punish the wicked on earth with His Day of the Lord’s wrath. John uses the future tense to refer to the mourning of the wicked, i.e. they will mourn. John indicates that the wicked begin to mourn when the Lord is seen coming with the clouds and not before. Question: wouldn’t the wicked have already experienced God’s wrath in the form of the trumpets and bowl judgments if this were an Armageddon return? It is inconceivable that the wicked have experienced the wrath of God before the Lord’s return at Armageddon, but have not mourned. “”” Re 16:21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great. Me The Bible says men blasphemed God, not mourned. No, it is not inconceivable to me that men could experience God’s wrath and yet not mourn, but rather be filled with rage and bitterness and unrepentance. Re 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk: Re 9:21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. Re 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory. Re 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. The mourning comes at the end of the 70th week, after the pouring out of wrath, when Jesus appears in power and great glory. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. |
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1963 | extra phrase (...beginning and the end) | Rev 1:8 | mark d seyler | 165135 | ||
Hi Kento, I'd like to just add this to Kalos' answer. The King James, from the Received Text, contains this phrase, but the Majority Manuscript (representing over -I think- 98 percent of extant manuscripts) does not, neither do the Alexandrian Manuscripts. While the King James agrees extremely closely to the Majority Manuscript, this is one of the very few places where it doesn't. There is a greater number of places where the King James disagrees with the Alexandrian manuscripts. Most places where the King James disagrees with other more "modern" Bibles, it is due to the fact that modern translations are mostly translated giving favor to the variants found in the Alexandrian type manuscripts. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1964 | Can you tell me where was jesus for thos | Rev 1:18 | mark d seyler | 144808 | ||
Hi Janae, Here are some thoughts I have had on this subject. Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Is paradise, in this passage, heaven, or is is Abraham's Bosom? Depending on how you answer this makes a lot of difference in how you understand this issue. Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) When Jesus "led captivity captive", how did He lead them, but to go to where they were? And where were these captives? When we say "Jesus descended to hell", remember hell had two compartments, the side of torment, and the side of comfort, and I do not say Jesus went to the side of torment, but rather to the side of comfort. Isa 61:1 The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; Again, a lot depends on how literally you interpret this prophecy. My thinking is that after Jesus died, He descended to the lower parts of the earth, into Abraham's Bosom, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and to open their prison, after which He led them out, having taken captivity captive, and ascended, with them, on high. I know this is not the only way to interpret these passages, but this is the way that makes the most sense to me. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1965 | Revelation Outline | Rev 1:19 | mark d seyler | 150131 | ||
Some observations on the material presented by www.revelationcommentary.com: This web site is presented by the same people as Sola Group It did not take me long to notice numerous errors as I read this material. Please be advised to compare anything you read with scripture. Always study scripture for yourself, turning to commentators only to supplament your own individual study. Them “”The first chapter of Revelation is "the things you have seen." Revelation two and three cover "the things which are"; and Revelation four through twenty-one are "the things which shall take place after these things." The disproportionate attention given to the "things which shall take place after these things (Revelation 4-21)," suggests that the temporal outline of the book is not the key to its structure. This is particularly true given that the seven churches receive promises that are both first century and futuristic in nature. In other words, there is an overlap of "the things which are" and "things which shall take place after these things." This undermines any attempt to force a strict interpretation of Revelation 1:19 as the dogmatic outline of the book of Revelation.”” Me I may describe my day, in saying, “I got out of bed, showered, and made lunch. Now I am driving to work. When I get there, I will check my email, write orders, make phone calls, write letters, have meetings, go to lunch, etc.” I have included much more detail about what comes after I arrive at work, however, this is no wise affects the chronology of what I am saying. Simply because a portion of scripture contains more information than another portion in no wise gives us a reason to ignore the chronological indicators given plainly in the text. The Outline of the Book of the Revelation in 1:19: “Write what things you saw, and what things are, and what things are about to occur after these things (meta tauta).” This describes sequential narrative, one thing being before another. Rev 4:1 “After these things (meta tauta) I saw. And behold, a door being opened in Heaven! And I heard the first voice as a trumpet speaking with me, saying, Come up here, and I will show you what needs to happen after these things (meta tauta).” To simplify what John is saying about his visions, “After these things I saw what must happen after these things” Again, he is describing a sequential narrative. The first words in Rev. 7:1 are “meta tauta”, or “after these things”. John describes the sealing of the 144,000 and the innumerable multitude appearing in heaven. In chapter 8, the seventh seal is opened, and seven angels are given trumpets, and begin to sound them. Seals, Trumpets, and Bowl happen in order. Any interpretation that overlaps or rearranges these is not supported by the text. The promises given to the church in these letters are in fact contemporary and futuristic, however that does not in and of itself mean that there is an overlap between the “things which are” (i.e. the things of the church), and that which happens after (i.e. after the things of the church). Promises given to the true church in the seven letters are pertaining to its earthly existance, until the time of the 70th week, and to its heavenly existance, but not to any time period involving the 70th week. “Jezebel” and her adulterers will be cast into “great tribulation”; this is not the true church. Loadicea will be “spat out”; this is not the true church. Philedelphia will be “kept from” the hour of testing which is coming to “try them that dwell upon the earth”; this is the true church. If you keep the children from the test period at school, do you: A) Send them into the room, and not let anyone near them with a test? Or B) Not send them into the room? What is the plain, simple, and true meaning of these verses? 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. |
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1966 | a simple outline | Rev 1:19 | mark d seyler | 150137 | ||
Some observations on the material presented by www.revelationcommentary.com: This web site is presented by the same people as Sola Group It did not take me long to notice numerous errors as I read this material. Please be advised to compare anything you read with scripture. Always study scripture for yourself, turning to commentators only to supplament your own individual study. Them “””Revelation 1:19 "Write therefore (1) the things which you have seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall take place after these things. 1. A possible key to understanding the composition of the book of Revelation. The things...have seen - Christ the revelator in chapter one. The things...are - seven churches in chapter two and three. The things...shall take place...- in chapters 4-22 However, this outline is overly simplistic and has very little exegetical support. This is particularly the case when one realizes that there is no time difference between the vision of Christ in chapter one of the Revelation and the events of chapters two and three. 2. One must be careful at this point not to push the significance of this outline too far. The significance of the relationship of the church to Revelation 4-22 cannot be determined simply by recognizing the absence of the term church from these critical chapters. The absence of the term church from the Old Testament certainly does not mean that there is no applicable value for the church in the Old Testament.””” Me The outline is so simple anyone can follow it. The words are few and clear and plainly understood, and are reinforced later in the book, in 4:1, and in 7:1. The claim that this statement has “very little exegetical support” is without foundation. The outline is the guideline for understanding this book. Ignore it to your own detriment. The Church is not mentioned in the Old Testament because the Church did not exist in the Old Testament. The Old Testament time is the time of Israel. The Church is not mentioned in the scriptures of the 70th week because the Church is not on the earth after the beginning of the 70th week. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. |
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1967 | The Structure of the Revelation | Rev 1:19 | mark d seyler | 150673 | ||
You wrote "The first chapter of Revelation is "the things you have seen." Revelation two and three cover "the things which are"; and Revelation four through twenty-one are "the things which shall take place after these things." The disproportionate attention given to the "things which shall take place after these things (Revelation 4-21)," suggests that the temporal outline of the book is not the key to its structure. This is particularly true given that the seven churches receive promises that are both first century and futuristic in nature. In other words, there is an overlap of "the things which are" and "things which shall take place after these things." This undermines any attempt to force a strict interpretation of Revelation 1:19 as the dogmatic outline of the book of Revelation.” I may describe my day, in saying, “I got out of bed, showered, and made lunch. Now I am driving to work. When I get there, I will check my email, write orders, make phone calls, write letters, have meetings, go to lunch, etc.” I have included much more detail about what comes after I arrive at work, however, this is no wise affects the chronology of what I am saying. Simply because a portion of scripture contains more information than another portion in no wise gives us a reason to ignore the chronological indicators given plainly in the text. The Outline of the Book of the Revelation in 1:19: “Write what things you saw, and what things are, and what things are about to occur after these things (meta tauta).” This describes sequential narrative, one thing being before another. Rev 4:1 “After these things (meta tauta) I saw. And behold, a door being opened in Heaven! And I heard the first voice as a trumpet speaking with me, saying, Come up here, and I will show you what needs to happen after these things (meta tauta).” To simplify what John is saying about his visions, “After these things I saw what must happen after these things” Again, he is describing a sequential narrative. To view this outline in any other way ignores the plain, simple meaning of this text. The first words in Rev. 7:1 are “meta tauta”, or “after these things”. John describes the sealing of the 144,000 and the innumerable multitude appearing in heaven. In chapter 8, the seventh seal is opened, and seven angels are given trumpets, and begin to sound them. Seals, Trumpets, and Bowl happen in order. Any interpretation that overlaps or rearranges these is not supported by the text. The promises given to the church in these letters are in fact contemporary and futuristic, however that does not in and of itself mean that there is an overlap between the “things which are” (i.e. the things of the church), and that which happens after (i.e. after the things of the church). Promises given to the true church in the seven letters are pertaining to its earthly existance, until the time of the 70th week, and to its heavenly existance, but not to any time period involving the 70th week. “Jezebel” and her adulterers will be cast into “great tribulation”; this is not the true church. Loadicea will be “spat out”; this is not the true church. Philedelphia will be “kept from” the hour of testing which is coming to “try them that dwell upon the earth”; this is the true church. If you keep the children from the test period at school, do you: A) Send them into the room, and not let anyone near them with a test? Or B) Not send them into the room? What is the plain, simple, and true meaning of these verses? 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. |
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1968 | The Structure of the Revelation | Rev 1:19 | mark d seyler | 150675 | ||
Hi Tim, The things which you have seen - this would be John's first vision, correct? The things which are - this does not refer to a vision, but rather to what is happening contemporary to John. The things which will take place after these things - the phrase in question: We're looking at this in one of two ways, either "write the things which will take place after these visions" or "write the things which will take place after these things that are now". Four times "things" appears in this sentence. The first three, I think we agree, refer to the contents of the visions. Do we have any reason to think that the fourth does not as well? If we take the plainest, simplest meaning, for lack of any reason to think otherwise, then we must see this as a progression of events. So I would say, yes, it could describe the order of the vision, but I don't see any reason why it would. And when combined with vs. such as 4:1 and 7:1, this conclusion seems inescapable. I find texual cues throughout this book indicating a linear flow of events. Do you see any that show overlapping or rearranging of events? Love in Christ, Mark |
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1969 | Understanding Prophecy | Rev 1:19 | mark d seyler | 165856 | ||
Prophecy is viewed in three different ways, literal, symbolic, and allegorical. Literal prophecy happens exactly as written. Symbolic uses defined symbols. Allegorical interpretations use prophecy to describe non-prophetic concepts and processes. In the Bible, prophecy is fulfilled literally. Every place the Bible records the fulfillment of a prophecy, it¡¦s a literal fulfillment. Israel¡¦s captivity lasted 70 years (Jer 25). Jesus is born in Bethlehem (Micah 5), and so on. Prophetic fulfillments recorded in history are literal. Tyre was scraped into the sea, and is a place for the spreading of nets (Ez 26), the Greek Empire was divided into fourths (Dan 8, 11). Israel was born in a day (Isaiah 66). Israel is exporting fruit around the world (Isaiah 27). Symbolic prophecy is stated as such. Ezekiel, in chapter 4, is told to label a brick ¡§Jerusalem¡¨, use a cooking iron for a siege wall. These are symbols of the siege of Jerusalem. He is told to lie on one side 390 days for the iniquity of Israel, and 40 days for the iniquity of Judah, one day for one year. The text tells us these meanings. We cannot simply choose our own meanings for things in the Bible. The only symbolic interpretations we can rely on as accurate are those given in the Bible. Allegorical interpretations ignore the possibility of an actual fulfillment. Are prophecies in sequence? Look for textual indicators. What does the text say? The Outline of the Book of the Revelation in 1:19: ¡§Write what things you saw, and what things are, and what things are about to occur after these things (meta tauta).¡¨ This describes sequential narrative, one thing after another. Rev 4:1 ¡§After these things (meta tauta) I saw. And behold, a door being opened in Heaven! And I heard the first voice as a trumpet speaking with me, saying, Come up here, and I will show you what needs to happen after these things (meta tauta).¡¨ To simplify what John is saying about his visions, ¡§After these things I saw what must happen after these things¡¨ Again, he is describing a sequential narrative. The first words in Rev. 7:1 are ¡§meta tauta¡¨, or ¡§after these things¡¨. John describes the sealing of the 144,000 and the innumerable multitude appearing in heaven. In chapter 8, the seventh seal is opened, and seven angels are given trumpets, and begin to sound them. In chapter 10, John is being addressed, this is clearly not part of the narrative, and interrupts it. Chapter 11, regarding the two witnesses, describes events that happen over the course of 3.5 years, and again, this is plainly stated. Chapter 11 continues with events that happen ¡§quickly¡¨ afterward (vs. 14). Chapter 12 opens with the words ¡§And a great sign was seen in the heavens¡¨; this part uses symbols. This begins a section where John writes a series of short vignettes, which can all be related to the mid-point of the trib, and show events that happen during the course of the tribulation. The narrative is re-entered in chapter 14:1, as John writes: ¡§I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion¡¨. Kai eidon, kai eidouƒn ¡§and I saw, and you see¡¨ ¡§Eidon¡¨ is first person indicative, ¡§eidou¡¨ is second person imperative. ¡§You are to see what I saw.¡¨ There is something there to be seen. In Rev. 15:1, the ¡§bowl judgments¡¨ are ¡§the seven last plagues¡¨, after the other plagues. The trumpets are also called plagues in Rev. 9:20. The ¡§seven last plagues¡¨ must happen after the other plagues. In 17:1 ¡§And one of the seven angels having the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying to me, Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot sitting on the many waters¡¨. John is again taken outside the sequence. Seals, Trumpets, Bowl happen in order. Any interpretation that overlaps or rearranges these is not supported by the text. (i.e. some teach the 6th seal happens at the end of the tribulation, after the trumpets and bowls) An example I recently heard of taking verses out of sequence comes from 14:1 ¡§And I saw, and behold, the Lamb standing on Mount Zion!¡¨ The teacher stated ¡§This is after the tribulation, because Jesus doesn¡¦t stand on Mount Zion until then.¡¨ I just cannot find any place in the Bible that tells us that Jesus does not stand on Mount Zion until later. There are 166 references to Mount Zion in the Bible. Many refer to Mount Zion as God¡¦s dwelling place. In Zech. 14, God will stand on the Mount of Olives on the day that He comes to fight against those who have gathered against Jerusalem, but this does not require that He will not be seen on Zion at another time. Since the account is given as sequential narative, its better to rearrange your view than to rearrange Scripture. Know what is required, and what is prohibited in a scripture. Know if an interpretation given by someone actually has textual foundation, and not that it just fits their pet theory. markdseyler@yahoo.com |
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1970 | How do you view Rev 2:1-7 | Rev 2:1 | mark d seyler | 127032 | ||
WOW!!!! I just read your post. What a mind-blower! I am in a constant state of amazement of how wonderfully God has given us His Word. Thank you for my latest dose! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1971 | How do you view Rev 2:1-7 | Rev 2:1 | mark d seyler | 127033 | ||
Maybe I didn't do this right, because my post didn't link to Emmaus' post regarding the OT correlation to the letters to the churches in Rev. so again - - WOW!!!! Mark |
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1972 | Who was God addressing in seven churches | Rev 2:1 | mark d seyler | 191771 | ||
HI jlowe, Great question! Rev 2:1 "To the angel of the Ephesian assembly, write . . . " While we generally think of "angel" as a non-human spirit-being, the words simply means, "messenger". It is used of humans in James 2:25, referring to the spies that entered Jericho. To the Ephesian messenger, Jesus says, "you have left your first love." The the Smyrnan messenger, "don't be afraid of what you are about to suffer." I think that these angels, or messengers, are those individuals that bring God's message to those individual churches, what we would think of now as the pastor. I think that the first letter may have been given to Timothy in Ephesus, the second to Polycarp in Smyrna, and so on. Of course, we know that these letters are also intended for the people in those churches themselves (he who has an ear let him hear), and to all churches (what the Spirit says to the churches). But they are first addressed to that person whom God refers to as "the messenger", and I see that as indicative of our responsibility towards those whom God has placed in our care. I hope this helps! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1973 | What are modern day teachings of Balaam | Rev 2:14 | mark d seyler | 176709 | ||
Hi Bows44, By "modern American Church", I understand you to mean not the true church, but rather the "apparent church", those who attend church, who claim "Christian", but in vain. How do these follow in the way of Balaam? Balaam was greedy. Peter described him as "Balaam the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness," (2 Peter 2:15). His teaching was, (Rev. 2:14), "Balaam, who kept teaching Balak to put a stumbling block before the sons of Israel." Balaam exploited his knowledge of God's people for gain, not caring that he was damaging their relationship with their God. He received a profit from enticing the people of God into worldliness and sin. The modern "teaching of Balaam"? Here are a couple that occur to me. The "Word of Faith / Prosperity for all" teaching. Many play on the hopes of people to be healed, to be materially prosperous, if they will just send in their money to prove their faith. So what when someone is not healed, or is not materially prosperous. So what that they have grossly misrepresented God, so long as they got rich in the process! The children of God are offered cheap hope at a steep price, without regard towards God, or His plan for His children. They are led to think in terms of personal gain, rather than thinking of themselves as the servants of all, which is what the Scriptures teach. So they are brought into a worldly mind-set. Another is this glut of so-called "Christian music". There are so many bands out there that call themselves Christian, and use "Christianese" in their lyrics, but that do not edify, do not exemplify Godliness, and are not separated from the world. They claim Christianity, but they draw their audience into worldliness. But for their claims, one would never know that there was anything different about them. I've seen good Christian bands pulled off course as well, as they follow along, toning down their gospel message, hiding it, so that they can get that studio contract. "Once we land the contract," they say, "then we'll put the gospel back into the music." But so many times they don't. The modern day Balaams have taught the studios to lure Christian bands with money, and then to trap them with their greed. There are many other ways. How do we recognize these teachings? We have to be committed to holiness, and submitted to God. If we do these things, God will teach us, and guide us. Not all in Israel stumbled before the stumbling block. Examine the lives and teachings of those who would teach us, to see if both conform to the Bible. Test everything against Scripture. Simply resist against the temtations that come against us every day, no matter where they come from. Live according to holiness. When someone demonstrates that they are unscriptural, believe them the first time! Don't go back for more! Matthew 18:3-9 (3) And He said, Truly I say to you, Unless you convert and become as the little children, not at all can you enter into the kingdom of Heaven. (4) Then whoever will humble himself as this little child, this one is the greater in the kingdom of Heaven. (5) And whoever will receive one such little child in My name receives Me. (6) But whoever causes one of these little ones believing in Me to offend, it is better for him that a millstone turned by an ass be hung on his neck, and he be sunk in the depth of the sea. (7) Woe to the world from its offenses! It is a necessity for the offenses to come, yet woe to that man through whom the offense comes! (8) And if your hand or your foot offends you, cut it off and throw it from you; it is good for you to enter into life lame or maimed, than having two hands or two feet to be thrown into the everlasting fire. (9) And if your eye offends you, pluck it out and throw it from you; for it is good for you to enter into life one-eyed, than having two eyes to be thrown into the Hell of fire. If we are truly of this mind we will be safe. Am I filled with pride, thinking about my own stature, and what a great man of God that I am, or am I small, needing to taught, needing for someone to feed me, take care of me, provide for me? Isaiah 57:14-15 (14) And he shall say, Raise up! Raise up! Clear the way! Make the stumbling block rise from the way of My people. (15) For so says the high and lofty One who inhabits eternity, and His name is Holy: I dwell in the high and holy place, even with the contrite and humble of spirit; to make live the spirit of the humble and to make live the heart of the contrite ones. Are we truly willing to separate ourselves from anything that leads us into sin? From every appearance of evil? From everything that is not of faith? The world has it's way, and God has His way. God calls us to "come out, and be separate." I hope this helps to answer your question. I will be happy to discuss this with you further if you wish. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1974 | Jezebel and Thyatira | Rev 2:20 | mark d seyler | 150135 | ||
Some observations on the material presented by www.revelationcommentary.com: This web site is presented by the same people as Sola Group It did not take me long to notice numerous errors as I read this material. Please be advised to compare anything you read with scripture. Always study scripture for yourself, turning to commentators only to supplament your own individual study. Them “””3c. Great tribulation - is used again in Revelation 7:14 with the definite article. Matthew 24:21 records the Lord’s prediction of a future time of "great tribulation." In Matthew 24, the Lord indicates that He will return after a "great tribulation." Revelation 2:22 indicates that unfaithful bond-servants will be cast into a "great tribulation." Revelation 7:14 posits that an incalculable host suddenly appears in heaven who come out from the midst of "the great tribulation." That members of the church at Thyatira will be cast into "a great tribulation" demands the presence of the church of Thyatira on earth during "a great tribulation." This effectively places this punishment outside the eschatological "great tribulation" connected with Daniel’s Seventieth Week. However, the fact that unfaithful members of the church at Thyatira could suffer "a great tribulation" certainly leaves room for the church to suffer "the great tribulation."””” Me This states that members of the Thyatira church will be cast into “great tribulation”, but that is not what the Bible says. This is the actual quote: Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. 21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. 22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. The church at Thyatira allows Jezebel to teach and seduce Jesus’ servants to commit fornication. Jezebel did not repent. Jezebel, and those that commit adultery with her (not the ones committing fornication – Jesus’ servants) will be cast into great tribulation. Nothing in this text says that the Thyatira church will be cast into great tribulation. The church will not suffer the Great Tribulation. 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. This is just scratching the surface of “revelationcommentary.com.” The more I looked, the more misrepresentations, mishandling of scripture, and incorrect teaching I found. I apologize for taking up so much space. Something in me just burns in my heart when I see scripture not being taught correctly. |
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1975 | what woman preacher taught fornication? | Rev 2:20 | mark d seyler | 166194 | ||
Hi dawntarver, Are you thinking of Jezebel? Rev 2:20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols. I hope this help! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1976 | Does Satan Know Your Thoughts? | Rev 2:23 | mark d seyler | 178611 | ||
Hi Gaggyball, Rev 2:23 'And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds. Jesus says of Himself, "I am He who searches the minds and hearts". If Satan could do that also, Jesus would have had to say "I am one of the ones..." So based on this, I would answer no, Satan cannot read your mind. Love in Christ, Mark |
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1977 | Book of Life | Rev 3:5 | mark d seyler | 171533 | ||
Exo 32:32 And now if You will, lift up their sin. And if not, I pray, blot me out from Your book which You have written. Exo 32:33 And Jehovah said to Moses, Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him from My book. Of Rev. 13:8 and 17:8: From Robertsons: Hath not been written (ou gegraptai). Perfect passive indicative of grapho, permanent state, stands written. "stands written", or "remains written". The Bible does not say when God wrote His book. It was before the foundation of the world. But everyone who has sinned is blotted from the book. Those who are justified do not have sin counted against them, and are not blotted from the book. So as the redeemed, our names remain in the book. I hope this helps! Love in Christ, Mark |
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1978 | Testing | Rev 3:11 | mark d seyler | 157010 | ||
Hi CDBJ, I think we are. I think that as the Christian church, we have become so diluted by nominal Christians, who do not truly have a living faith (See James 2), that God is calling us to be holy, and be separate. Rev 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown. 12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: Jesus says to the Church that is expecting His soon return, "Hold on, so no one takes your crown," and "to him who overcomes. . ." This can't be that we're just cruising along - there will be resistance. Jesus also said that because lawlessness increases the love of many will grow cold. As we see the increase of lawlessness, do we become jaded? Consider what is happening in New Orleans right now, as armed gangs are roaming, and anarchy abounds? What should be our response? How do we pass this test? You know, the word in 2 Tim 3:1 translated perilous is used only one other time in the New Testament, of the demoniac living in the tombs. Perilous times like the wild, dangerous demon-possessed man, that no one could even go that way. How do we maintain our walk in faith? Love in Christ, mark |
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1979 | After these things | Rev 4:1 | mark d seyler | 159397 | ||
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. The Solagroup material states: “The first chapter of Revelation is "the things you have seen." Revelation two and three cover "the things which are"; and Revelation four through twenty-one are "the things which shall take place after these things." The disproportionate attention given to the "things which shall take place after these things (Revelation 4-21)," suggests that the temporal outline of the book is not the key to its structure. This is particularly true given that the seven churches receive promises that are both first century and futuristic in nature. In other words, there is an overlap of "the things which are" and "things which shall take place after these things." This undermines any attempt to force a strict interpretation of Revelation 1:19 as the dogmatic outline of the book of Revelation.” My comment: I may describe my day, in saying, “I got out of bed, showered, and made lunch. Now I am driving to work. When I get there, I will check my email, write orders, make phone calls, write letters, have meetings, go to lunch, etc.” I have included much more detail about what comes after I arrive at work, however, this is no wise affects the chronology of what I am saying. To apply the same logic as the solagroup, we would have to say that since I gave more detail about my day at work, that must mean that while these meetings and such are happening, I am still driving to work. What? Simply because a portion of scripture contains more information than another portion in no wise gives us a reason to ignore the chronological indicators given plainly in the text. Does this sound like a sound method of interpreting scripture? “This passage says more than that passage”??? The Outline of the Book of the Revelation in 1:19: “Write what things you saw, and what things are, and what things are about to occur after these things (meta tauta).” This describes sequential narrative, one thing being before another. Rev 4:1 “After these things (meta tauta) I saw. And behold, a door being opened in Heaven! And I heard the first voice as a trumpet speaking with me, saying, Come up here, and I will show you what needs to happen after these things (meta tauta).” To simplify what John is saying about his visions, “After these things I saw what must happen after these things” Again, he is describing a sequential narrative. The first words in Rev. 7:1 are “meta tauta”, or “after these things”. John describes the sealing of the 144,000 and the innumerable multitude appearing in heaven. In chapter 8, the seventh seal is opened, and seven angels are given trumpets, and begin to sound them. Seals, Trumpets, and Bowl happen in order. Any interpretation that overlaps or rearranges these is not supported by the text. The two witnesses come back to life 3 1/2 days after the middle of the 70th week, when antichrist is able to overcome the saints (the devil will never overcome the church!), after the the 5th trumpet is sounded. To say that the church is on the earth at this point is to say that the church will endure 5 months of torment by the demon "locusts" from the abyss. Does that sound right to you? The promises given to the church in these letters are in fact contemporary and futuristic, however that does not in and of itself mean that there is an overlap between the “things which are” (i.e. the things of the church), and that which happens after (i.e. after the things of the church). Promises given to the true church in the seven letters are pertaining to its earthly existance, until the time of the 70th week, and to its heavenly existance, but not to any time period involving the 70th week. “Jezebel” and her adulterers will be cast into “great tribulation”; this is not the true church. Loadicea will be “spat out”; this is not the true church. Philedelphia will be “kept from” the hour of testing which is coming to “try them that dwell upon the earth”; this is the true church. If you keep the children out of the test period at school, do you: A) Send them into the room, and not let anyone near them with a test? Or B) Not send them into the room? What is the plain, simple, and true meaning of these verses? The solagroup cannot allow a straightforward interpretation of Revelation, and the sequence of events that it gives, because that conflicts with their interpretations. |
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1980 | Amplified Bible; Rev. 4:5 | Rev 4:5 | mark d seyler | 176890 | ||
Hi MsBerry, There is much speculation of what this means, but the fact is that the Bible doesn't tell us exactly what the "seven spirits of God" are. Two of the top-ranking answers are: 1. The "Complete" or "Seven-fold" Spirit. This is often related to Isaiah 11:2 "And the Spirit of YHWH shall rest on Him; He will have the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and power, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of Jehovah." These are enumerated as the Spirit of... YHWH, wisdom, understanding, counsel, power, knowledge, fear. Personally, if this is the correct view, I would enumerate them as "wisdom, understanding, counsel, power, knowledge, fear" , and the "spirit of judgment/burning" from Isaiah 4:4, the first 6 being characteristic of Jesus' first advent, and the seventh to be characteristic of His second advent. The #2 answer is that these are simply seven beings that serve God's bidding. There are some very interesting things said of these seven spirits. Rev 1:4 John to the seven assemblies in Asia: Grace to you, and peace, from the One who is, and who was, and who is coming, and from the seven spirits which are before His throne; Grace and peace come from God, and from these seven spirits. But from Whom but God can grace and peace come from? But are these a part of God, or messengers of His grace and peace? Rev 3:1 And to the angel of the assembly in Sardis, write: These things says the One having the seven spirits of God, and the seven stars: I know your works, that you have the name that you live, and are dead. From Rev. 1, the One having the seven stars is Jesus. So it is said here that Jesus also has the seven spirits. In the referenced verse these seven spirits appear as seven lamps of fire. Rev 5:6 And I saw, and behold, in the midst of the throne, and of the four living creatures, and in the midst of the elders, was a Lamb standing, as having been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God, having been sent out into all the earth. The seven eyes of the Lamb are the seven spirits of God. These last two passages bring in more from the Old Testament. 2 Ch 16:9 For the eyes of YHWH run to and fro in all the earth in order to be strong for those with their heart perfect toward Him. Zec 4:2 And he said to me, What do you see? And I said, I see, and behold, a lampstand, all of it gold, and a bowl on its top, and its seven lamps on it, and seven spouts each to the seven lamps on its top; Zec 4:10 For who has despised the day of small things? For they shall rejoice and shall see the plummet stone in the hand of Zerubbabel. These seven are the eyes of Jehovah; they run to and fro through all the earth. In these passages seven lamps are called the "eyes of YHWH", which run to and fro throughout the earth, apparently for the purpose described in 2 Chronicles 16:9, for YHWH to show His strength on behalf of those whose hearts are fully towards Him. So this would be possible answer #3, that the "seven spirits of God" is figurative of God's omniscience. But again, as I said, this really isn't exactly defined. But it remains very interesting indeed! Love in Christ, Mark |
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