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221 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103130 | ||
Hi Joel :) I can not dispute or confirm what has happened in your life. Although in all earnest I will admit to you that I am skeptical of stigmata. There are many who trust these incidents and others who are detractors of them. May I ask you please for the sake of my sincere curiosity, 1. What do you equate this phenomena to in your life? 2. Why do you think that God is relating to you in this way? 3. Do you know of any Spiritual benefit of this phenomena to yourself or others? Stigmata: In Imitation of Christ. -Author: Joe Nickell Of reputed miraculous powers, perhaps none is more popularly equated with saintliness than stigmata, the wounds of Christ's crucifixion allegedly duplicated spontaneously upon the body of a Christian. Indeed one historical survey indicated that about a fifth of all stigmatics are eventually beatified or canonized (Biot 1962, 23). The year 1999 brought renewed interest in the alleged phenomenon. Among the offerings were the movie Stigmata (which even contained a brief shot of my book, Looking for a Miracle -Radford 1999); a Fox television pseudodocumentary, Signs from God, which featured a major segment on stigmata (Willesee 1999); and the Vatican's beatification of the Italian stigmatic Padre Pio (CNN / Time 1999). For an in-progress television documentary, I took a new look at the subject. Evolving Phenomenon From the death of Jesus, about A.D. 29 or 30, nearly twelve centuries would pass before stigmata began to appear-unless one counts a cryptic Biblical reference by St. Paul. In Galatians 6:17 he wrote, "I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus." Many scholars believe Paul was speaking figuratively, but in any case the statement may have been sufficient to prompt imitation. St. Francis of Assisi (1182-1226) is credited with being the first stigmatic-- or at least the first "true" one, his affliction occurring just two years after that of a man from Oxford who had exhibited the five crucifixion wounds in 1222. That man claimed to be the son of God and the redeemer of mankind, but he was arrested for imposture, his wounds presumed to have been self-inflicted. In 1224 St. Francis went with some of his "disciples" up Mount Alverno in the Apennines. After forty days of fasting and prayer he had a vision of Christ on the cross, whereafter he received the four nail wounds and a pierced side. Francis appears to have sparked a copycat phenomenon, since publication of his reputed miracle was followed by occurrences of stigmata "even among people who were much lower than St. Francis in religious stature, and have continued to occur without intermission ever since," according to Catholic scholar Herbert Thurston (1952, 122-123). He continues: What I infer is that the example of St. Francis created what I have called the "crucifixion complex." Once it had been brought home to contemplatives that it was possible to be physically conformed to the sufferings of Christ by bearing His wound-marks in the hands, feet and side, then the idea of this form of union with their Divine Master took shape in the minds of many. It became in fact a pious obsession; so much so that in a few exceptionally sensitive individuals the idea conceived in the mind was realized in the flesh. Thurston believed stigmatization was due to the effects of suggestion, but experimental attempts to duplicate the phenomenon, for example by using hypnosis, have been unsuccessful--except for a related case which appears to have been a hoax. (The psychiatrist reported that bloody tears welled inside the subject's eyelids, but a photograph shows rivulets originating outside the eyes.) |
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222 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103131 | ||
Hi Joel, The marks of Jesus (Galatians 6:17): slaves were often branded by marks (stigmata) burned into their flesh to show to whom they belonged; so also were devotees of pagan gods. Paul implies that instead of outdated circumcision, his body bears the scars of his apostolic labors (2 Cor 11:22-31), such as floggings (Acts 16:22; 2 Cor 11:25) and stonings (Acts 14:19), that mark him as belonging to the Christ who suffered (cf Romans 6:3; 2 Cor 4:10; Col 1:24) and will protect his own. -khuck |
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223 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103132 | ||
Hi Joel, The marks of Jesus (Galatians 6:17): slaves were often branded by marks (stigmata) burned into their flesh to show to whom they belonged; so also were devotees of pagan gods. Paul implies that instead of outdated circumcision, his body bears the scars of his apostolic labors (2 Cor 11:22-31), such as floggings (Acts 16:22; 2 Cor 11:25) and stonings (Acts 14:19), that mark him as belonging to the Christ who suffered (cf Romans 6:3; 2 Cor 4:10; Col 1:24) and will protect his own. -khuck |
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224 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103183 | ||
Hi CDBJ: Not to be rude or anything, but have you read the entire thread? Or did you just see my post and jump on it. If you did you have taken the whole thing out of context and your post is wated on me. Since the very questions that you are asking me are pretty much the same ones that I posed to the original poster. Have you read the entire thread? I was responding to someone else. One of the first things that I said in my response was that I was very skeptical of the latest stigmata phemoenon. And my post tend to explain why. Maybe your questions would be better served if they were posted to the original poster. You have a nice day too... and may God bless you in it. -khuck |
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225 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103276 | ||
And I will give you the same answer that I gave CDBJ. I was responding to the original poster who asked about Stigmata. I gave him a brief history on it and I explained why I was skeptical of it. (I ANSWERED HIS QUESTION) Then he responded back to me and told me his experiences and I asked him the same questions that you are asking me... (I asked him what is the spiritual value of his experience to himself and or others.) Why you both are asking me the same question is over my head... since in my posts to him I clearly made clear that I feel that the value of the phenomenon is only for those who want to "APPEAR" pious etc.... If we are not supposed to answer these questions (except that we agree with the poster let me know here and now, because I am tiring of this) Come out and say what you mean to me. If you do not like my answer then you answer the poster. If there is any part of my answer that is incorrect you point it out. CDBJ asked me, "So what dose all of this have to do with anything? Is it supposed to be more effective then the Word of God or what? What, biblically speaking, have these thing done for the individuals who experienced them?" I asked the poster I can not dispute or confirm what has happened in your life. Although in all earnest I will admit to you that I am skeptical of stigmata. There are many who trust these incidents and others who are detractors of them. May I ask you please for the sake of my sincere curiosity, 1. What do you equate this phenomena to in your life? 2. Why do you think that God is relating to you in this way? 3. Do you know of any Spiritual benefit of this phenomena to yourself or others? So tell me what are you asking??? you people are tripping me out on this Forum ? LOL READ THE THREAD again. You should be asking the questions to the original poster. Unless you are telling me in a sideways fashion that I should not respond to questions on "your" forum that deal with issues such as stigmata. _khuck |
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226 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103418 | ||
:) Kind words as always Radioman. But like I said... I did sort of bogard my way onto someones else' turf, people get possessive. Anyway it was fun hanging out and I did meet some people who are really in love with Jesus! Yet I did not come to fight, believers. And I will never shame the Body by fighting before new converts who are young in the faith or before non-believers, who may lurk about. I will leave the fighting for the wise people. May His Love be the measure of Love that we give to one another. -khuck |
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227 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103419 | ||
LOL Hank I often read your post and I love them all... you show such grace and humility. I have enjoyed this forum until... but now I don't and I will miss your post among others... but I hate messiness. Stay strong in Him -kathy |
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228 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103421 | ||
First you just cased me out and now you are thanking me... what is it right or wrong? What are you thanking me for... I have only reiterated my original post that you and CDBJ find to need some explaining. LOL Lord help us all -khuck |
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229 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103638 | ||
Dear Hank, Thank you that was food for thought and soul! -Kathy P.S. I know that my responses have not been forth coming. But it is not because I did not heed the advice of those who encourage my participation here. I have actually been on vacation in Oceanside this week (TALK ABOUT FUN!) and have had limited access to the computers available at the resort. God's traveling grace was with me and I have returned home, safe and secure. I'm back :) |
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230 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103643 | ||
Hi Ray... I am sorry I referenced concordance and commentary here. Sorry. God Bless you, Kathy |
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231 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103649 | ||
Dearest Joel, Though your apology is very much indeed a beautiful thing to behold, it is not necessary, you did nothing for me to take any heat. I just jumped into the fire feet first (grin) and it is nobody's bad. I would very much like to discuss more with you on this topic Joel. And I think you are correct it is wisest to speak outside this forum (at least for me) I got your email addy from your profile and I will contact you soon. (I have MSN messenger also. Thank you for your patience, Kathy |
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232 | khuck ... thanks for your answers .. | Gal 6:17 | khuck | 103650 | ||
I am here and would never allow you to quit participating in this forum because of my error (a misconception pointed out to me by Aixen) Honestly, there is much good in a forum such as this, and it matters not whether I am here or not. But I have been persuaded to stay and I certainly will, and I sincerely hope you will do the same. God is so VERY Good! -Kathy |
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233 | Slain or knocked down | Eph 4:14 | khuck | 103983 | ||
I was invited to visit the church of a family member, and accepted the invite. While I was there the Pastor prayed for me as I was standing before him. He had his hand on my forehead and he was pushing me. Of Course I (wearing 2 inch heels) was pushing back against his hand, not wanting to fall. Finally he gave me a thrust knocking me to the floor, and causing much discomfort on my toosh. People gathered around me as if it was a miraculous thing. Why do they do this? What does it mean? Why is it called being slain? I have seen it done before, I have no understanding of it. -khuck |
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234 | Slain or knocked down | Eph 4:14 | khuck | 103985 | ||
Hi Bradk It is ironic that you used: "As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;" That is one of the themes that came out in this man's sermon. I did not question my relative on the incident. Although I am to understand that I was supposedly slained in Spirit. I wanted to jump up with indignation and scream to this Pastor, "Hey why did you push me down!" I was not slained in anything, I was knocked down on my taukus. And though that particular congregation considered it a charismatic move of the Spirit. I was pretty embarassed and had to be covered by a woman with a drape, my dress flew up. Can I ask you how common is this practice? (if you might know) And thank you for the response, I am still a bit weirded out by it. Trust, I will check references that you have provided. God Bless you, -Kathy |
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235 | Slain or knocked down | Eph 4:14 | khuck | 103988 | ||
Sorry Brad, I did not mean to imply that your references on this matter were false. I agree with all of your assertions and also the search where you directed me, yielded much. After reading the notes I understand why this man would literally shove me with so much force to the floor. (it was certainly a deceitful thing to do) The one post that stood out was that this is a pentecostal practice, and that is the denomination of my family member's church. I really appreciate your assistance, thank you! -Kathy |
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236 | Slain or knocked down | Eph 4:14 | khuck | 103995 | ||
Hi Radioman :) I did not mean to imply that is was an isolated Pentecostal practice. (just info gleaned from previous posts) But is it something that crosses denominational lines? Inquiring minds... (smile) -Kathy |
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237 | Slain or knocked down | Eph 4:14 | khuck | 103996 | ||
Dear Hank :) What are you doing reading my mind? That was my next question, which you have answered sufficiently. Where or how did this practice originate? You are on top of your game! (smile) I thank you for the further insight. I know I maybe a nuisance with this one... but the whole thing really shook me up. I felt more like I had suffered a certain form of violence at this man's hands. Next time I visit congregation (with family member or Christian friend), and there is an alter call for prayer, you better believe I will wait in the background to see what is happening. (grin) God Bless you Hank! -Kathy |
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238 | Can you define Charismatic | Eph 4:14 | khuck | 104000 | ||
Radioman; I have been told that I am a Charismatic Christian, of that I am not sure. I just know that I am a believer. What is the charismatic, really? I have heard it described in so many ways. I do speak in tongues and therefore a member of my Mom's church said that is what I am. I have heard that the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the manifestation of His gifts warrants the title charismatic. Please explain the term to me if you can. Your in Him, -Kathy |
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239 | Slain or knocked down | Eph 4:14 | khuck | 104001 | ||
I looked up the word and look at the return: 89 Moby Thesaurus words for "charismatic": alluring, appealing, appetizing, attractive, authoritative, beguiling, bewitching, blandishing, bright, brilliant, cajoling, captivating, catching, charming, coaxing, come-hither, consequential, coquettish, effective, effectual, efficacious, enchanting, engaging, enravishing, enthralling, enticing, entrancing, estimable, exciting, exotic, fascinating, fetching, flirtatious, glamorous, glorious, hypnotic, illustrious, important, influential, interesting, intriguing, inviting, irresistible, lustrous, magic, magnetic, mesmeric, momentous, mouth-watering, numinous, personable, persuasive, piquant, potent, powerful, prepossessing, prestigious, provocative, provoquant, radiant, ravishing, reputable, resplendent, seducing, seductive, shining, siren, sirenic, spellbinding, spellful, splendent, splendid, splendorous, splendrous, strong, suasive, substantial, taking, tantalizing, teasing, telling, tempting, tickling, titillating, titillative, weighty, winning, winsome, witching, I don't think I am very charismatic. (smile) -Kathy |
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240 | Can you define Charismatic | Eph 4:14 | khuck | 104064 | ||
Hi EdB when I was first saved I believe the church that I belonged to was of the Holiness movement. I found that I could not live Holy without God's Grace. Yet we were told that indeed a man could live a sin-free life. I wore no jewelry except a lone watch, no make up, my skirts dragged the ground, my shirts covered all skin except my hands. No matter what I did I failed miserably to be Holy. It was all outward appearance. As I grew I began to pray about it. As I read and understood and came to realize that it was a noble and ideal dream, that I could not accomplish, but God is able to accomplish it. Due to your definitions I would say that my beliefs are still more in line with the Pentecostal, having seen the Gifts of the Spirit at work in the Church. Thank you so much for the further insight. -kathy |
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