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361 | NISB | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 182728 | ||
Hank, You write: "I don't clutter up any Bible that I own by writing in it -- no marginal notes and no highlighting or underlining. I do jot down notes with some frequency, but I do my jotting in a separate place, in a notebook/journal sort of thing." Amen! I do the same. I don't write in or mark up my Bible. When I make notes I do it in a separate place. One reason I don't highlight or mark a Bible is because of what I experienced long ago. In the early 70s I was reading and using a certain New Testament. In my enthusiasm I highlighted all the passages I found especially helpful or interesting. The only problem was that upon subsequent readings -- especially my daily Bible reading -- I was paying more attention to the highlighted passages and sort of overlooking the ones that weren't highlighted. Since then I have ceased highlighting so that when I read the Bible I will pay equal attention to all of it. Also, like you, I don't like the idea of making a mess of my Bibles. I don't condemn other for their practice of making notes and marking the text. After all, it's not a sin. :-) It's just that I prefer not to do it. Grace to you, John |
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362 | NISB | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 182730 | ||
Cuddle, I think perhaps you and I got off to a bad start when you first started posting to the Forum. The fault is mine. I frequently come across sounding harsher and more critical than I intend to. I apologize if I offended you in any way. I've been reading your posts with interest and hope that you will consider me your friend and ally. Grace and peace, John |
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363 | NASB with blank pages for notes? | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 182783 | ||
Try christianbook.com. I think they still list a few looseleaf Bibles in their catalog. |
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364 | what scripture says god's word is plain | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 182898 | ||
'The preface quoted above that cites the example of Jesus to support the claim that the Bible is simple shows how winsome the claims can be on the surface and yet how wrong they actually are when we stop to analyze them. Contrary to the implication of the statements that "Jesus was able to communicate clearly, even to children," we have no recorded statements of Jesus to children. And what about the claim that Jesus "was very careful not to give people more than they could grasp"? This is directly contradicted by Jesus' explanation of why he spoke in parables (Matthew 13:11,13)...This (Jesus' statement in Matt. 13:11,13) is indeed a mysterious statement, already giving the lie to the claim that Jesus' statements are simple and easy to understand. My interpretation of Jesus' statement is that he did not intend his statements to carry all of their meaning on the surface...To test how simple or complex and difficult the Bible is, we need only to look at the text itself.' ____________________ page 68, Ryken, Leland, "The Word of God in English", Crossway Books, 2002 The full text of Ryken's book "The Word of God in English" can be downloaded for free at: http://www.esv.org/translation/woge |
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365 | what scripture says god's word is plain | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 182902 | ||
Please tell us the Bible book, chapter and verse where it says that the Bible is simple. Grace to you, John |
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366 | Translation | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 183041 | ||
Does it really matter which translation we use when studying or just reading the Bible? My answer: In the words of John MacArthur, "I believe anything other than a literal translation of the Bible is a serious breach—serious breach—of God’s intention for how we handle His word." Examples of literal translations include, among others: the New American Standard Bible, the New King James Version, and the English Standard Version. ____________________ "What good is readability if a translation does not accurately render what the Bible actually says?" --Leland Ryken, author of "The Word of God in English: Criteria for Excellence in Bible Translation" ____________________ [Source of the following quote: www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/SC2003-QA-3.htm] 'The following Question was asked by an attendee at the 2003 Shepherds Conference (a ministry of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California), and was Answered by John MacArthur Jr. It was transcribed from the CD, #SC1007, titled General Session #5 John MacArthur - QA. 'Questioner: 'Could you give us your thoughts on the use of paraphrased versions of the Bible in many writings today and in church services almost to the exclusion of, you know, the literal translation? 'John MacArthur's Answer: 'James, that’s a very, very important question. I’m cranking up on this one. Now, I’m going to say something, and I’m just going to say it because I want you to know how serious [it is]. I believe anything other than a literal translation of the Bible is a serious breach—serious breach—of God’s intention for how we handle His word. I think it’s a violation. Now, there are some that are worse than others. But, I believe that we need to remember that a translation is a translation. 'Anytime you open a Bible and it says, “A translation for our times,” “a translation for modern times,” “a translation for people to understand,” you have a problem. “Modern times” has no right to determine what God said. Translation is translation. Interpretation is interpretation. Paraphrase is paraphrase. But when you blend those, you have very serious issues. We would say, perhaps, that the NIV is maybe the least troublesome of dynamic equivalency translations, but it’s the old slippery slope issue again. 'And it just goes from there—and watch where the NIV has gone! From the NIV now to the TNIV and who knows where else it’s going to go, because once you have taken the step to say, “We have the right to change the original text so that people can understand it better,” you have just stepped away from what is the Word of God. That is why I always land on the NASB, the New King James or the ESV, which is also formal equivalency and an excellent translation as such. 'This thing is running amok—it’s running amok. There are people in churches, as you were saying, all over the place, who have never heard the Word of God read—never heard it read. People are reading the Message to them or the Living Bible or whatever else variations of that. 'The Word of God in English: Criteria for Excellence in Bible Translation 'I would recommend for you, if you really want to dig into this, there’s one book that is absolutely the best thing ever written on this. I mean it is a slam dunk book. I don’t know what else could be said. It is a book called "The Word of God in English: Criteria for Excellence in Bible Translation" (ISBN: 1581344643) and it is written by Leland Ryken and it is published by Crossway. I will tell you, you will read that book and you will never again wonder about translation. And you will also never again use a dynamic equivalency because you will be in fear of divine judgment. I mean, that book [The Word of God in English] is absolutely the best thing—it’s not just the best available. I don’t know how you could write a better one! Leland Ryken has done his work and he has given all of us a tremendous tool to deal with the issues of translation. 'I believe we are bound by God to let God say what He said. And so, that’s why we land on what’s called “formal equivalency,” word by word translation, the only variables being the family of manuscripts that are used. OK? But read that book. Get that book. Don’t just get the book; read the book!' ____________________ Source: www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/SC2003-QA-3.htm |
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367 | who are jehovahs witnesses | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 183312 | ||
Is the Jehovah's Witness religion Christian? (www.carm.org/jw/cult.htm) ____________________ "...they deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, Jesus' physical resurrection, and salvation by grace through faith." ____________________ 'The answer to the question is, "No. It is not Christian." Like all non-Christian cults, the Jehovah's Witness organization distorts the essential doctrines of Christianity. It denies the deity of Christ, His physical resurrection, and salvation by grace. This alone makes it non-Christian. To support its erring doctrines, the Watchtower organization (which is the author and teacher of all official Jehovah's Witness theology), has even altered the Bible to make it agree with its changing and non-Christian teachings. Typical with cults that use the Bible to support its position is a host of interpretive errors: 'Taking verses out of their immediate context. 'Refusing to read verses in the entire biblical context. 'Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text. 'Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs. 'Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others. 'Changing the meanings of words. 'Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines. 'Adding to the Word of God. 'Additionally, the Jehovah's Witness organization requires of its members regular weekly attendance at their "Bible Study" meetings where they are repeatedly indoctrinated with anti-Christian teachings. This is done by reading the Watchtower magazine, following along with what it says, reading the questions it asks, and reciting the answers it gives. In other words, the Watchtower Organization carefully trains its members to let the Organization do their thinking for them. For confirmation of this, please read Does the Watchtower organization control the JW's thinking? 'The Witnesses are told they will be persecuted when they go door to door teaching their doctrines. They are further told that this is simply the enemy fighting against the God's organization because they are in "the truth." So, when someone disagrees with them, they are conditioned to reflect on what the Watchtower has told them. They then feel confirmed in being in God's true organization on earth (like all cults claim). They are strongly encouraged to have friends and acquaintances that are only JW’s, thereby keeping outside examination to a minimum. They are told to shun those who leave their group, that way, there is no way to see why someone has left and no way to find out that they are in error from those who have found the truth in Christ. They are conditioned to shy away from any real biblically knowledgeable person. An example of this is frequently found on the Internet. I was once banned from a Jehovah's Witness chat room after I not only answered their objections to the Trinity and deity of Christ, but challenged them in return. Subsequently, my name was passed around to all other Jehovah's Witness rooms where I was banned from them as well. This is a frequent occurrence on the Internet where the Jehovah's Witnesses are alive and well. It is obvious that critical examination of their doctrines is not encouraged by the Watchtower Organization. 'The Jehovah's Witnesses consider themselves to be Christians because they believe they are serving the true and living God. Like many cults, they think they are the only true church on earth. Yet, they deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the personhood of the Holy Spirit, Jesus' physical resurrection, and salvation by grace through faith. 'The Jehovah's Witnesses are discouraged from looking into Jehovah's Witness history or old Watchtower literature which is replete with contradictions, altered doctrines, and false prophecies. Instead, they are indoctrinated repeatedly against basic Christian doctrines (Trinity, deity of Christ, etc) and into the notion that they alone are the true servants of God and that all others are either in "Christendom" or simply unbelievers. 'Primarily, the Jehovah's Witness organization is a mind control organization that uses its people to pass out literature and send in "donations" to the headquarters in Brooklyn, New York. "Thus the Bible is an organizational book and belongs to the Christian congregation as an organization, not to individuals, regardless of how sincerely they may believe that they can interpret the Bible." The Watchtower, Oct. 1, 1967. p. 587. 'The Watchtower organization of the Jehovah's Witnesses is a non-Christian organization that uses its people to promulgate false doctrines, sell a multitudinous amount of literature, and expand its grip into the lives of its members and their families. 'It is a non-Christian cult.' ____________________ www.carm.org/jw/cult.htm |
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368 | who are jehovahs witnesses | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 183341 | ||
CurtMan, When I posted the remark about being banned from a couple of chat rooms, I was quoting a writer who had that experience. I do not know any addresses, but perhaps a Google search will find some. I haven't read the book you mention, but it sounds good. Grace to you, John |
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369 | Abiding in Christ | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 183404 | ||
"To abide in Christ is, on the one hand, to have no known sin unjudged and unconfessed, no interest into which He is not brought, no life which He cannot share. On the other hand, the abiding one takes all burdens to Him, and draws all wisdom, life, and strength from Him. It is not unceasing consciousness of these things, and of Him, but that nothing is allowed in the life which separates from Him." ____________________ Source: Note at John 15:4, New Scofield Reference Bible, 1967, Oxford University Press) |
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370 | Abiding in Christ | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 183441 | ||
Jeff, Yes, I agree that a man's abiding is "a consistently improving situation that is ever drawing closer to the state" described in my previous post. It is as John MacArthur wrote when teaching on the evidences of genuine saving faith: "Without question Christians fail in each of these areas, but the direction of a Christian's life is to love God, hate sin, to live in humility and self-denial, recognizing his unworthiness and being devoted to the glory of God. It is not the perfection of one's life but the direction of a life that provides evidence of regeneration." "If you are a true Christian, you are going to be growing-and that means you are going to be more and more like Christ. Life produces itself. If you're alive you are going to grow, there's no other way. You'll improve. You'll increase. The Spirit will move you from one level of glory to the next. So examine your life. Do you see spiritual growth? Do you see the decreasing frequency of sin? Is there an increasing pattern of righteousness and devotion to God?" Grace to you, John |
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371 | World's last chance - True or False | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 183516 | ||
Is which prophecy true? What prophecy says anything about the world's last chance? You ask: "Are the catholic church evil because they are following the guidelines set out?" What guidelines are you asking about? You ask: "Is Satan going to take form as a pope?" Is there a CLEAR verse of Scripture anywhere that says Satan will take form as a pope? Grace to you, John |
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372 | Rapture....timing? | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 188687 | ||
Using the Search feature at www.studybibleforum.com, search for the word "rapture". Or Google it. | ||||||
373 | who does God say he is? | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 189066 | ||
'“I am” is not a name; “Yahweh” is.' The Only Proper Name for God '“I am” (Hebrew ’ehyeh) is not a name; “Yahweh” is.' (www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm) '“Yahweh” [YHWH] is not one of God’s names—it is his only name. Other titles, like “El Shadday,” are not strictly names but means of revealing Yahweh.' (At www.bible.org/netbible/index.htm go to Exodus 6. At this chapter read footnotes 5, 9, and especially 10.) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * The name 'YHWH' appears almost 7,000 times in the OT. However, in the KJV YHWH is usually translated as 'LORD.' 'Yahweh/Yah (or Jehovah). yhwh (or JHVH), the tetragrammaton because of its four letters, is, strictly speaking, the only proper name for God. It is also the most frequent name, occurring in the Old Testament 6,828 times (almost 700 times in the Psalms alone). Yah is a shortened form that appears fifty times in the Old Testament, including forty-three occurrences in the Psalms, often in the admonition "hallelu-jah" (lit. praise Jah). English Bibles represent the name yhwh by the title "LORD" (written in capitals to distinguish it from "lord" [adonai]. The Septuagint rendered yhwh as kyrios (Lord).' ____________________ Baker's Evangelical Dictionary of Biblical Theology (http://bible.crosswalk.com/Dictionaries/ BakersEvangelicalDictionary/bed.cgi) When you enter this address, everything between the parentheses must be included. All of it belongs on one line. Grace to you, Kalos |
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374 | reason for update? | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 189360 | ||
Why was the NASB Updated? (Quoted from: A Look at the New American Standard Bible Spotlight Ministries, Vincent McCann, 1998 www.spotlightministries.org.uk) 'In 1995 the Lockman Foundation published the 'NASB Update'. As the name suggests, this is not actually a new version but rather a revision. The Foundation felt that because 25 years had passed since the appearance of the NASB it was in need of bringing more up to date. Updating included the following: removing the words thee and thou, consulting the newest scholarly editions of ancient Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, and removing some of the idiosyncrasies found in the ancient languages that do not conform to English grammar. Some of these words were replaced with more modern equivalents and some sentences were rearranged to make them more understandable in English. Although the NASB Update is more fluid than its predecessor, it still remains as literal as possible, and while not good for public reading it is a good Bible for serious Bible study.' ____________________ (Source: A Look at the New American Standard Bible Spotlight Ministries, Vincent McCann, 1998 www.spotlightministries.org.uk) |
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375 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 189767 | ||
What is dispensationalism? ____________________ "I don't want to say any more than that about dispensationalism. I don't believe there are two different kinds of salvation. I don't believe there are two different covenants. I don't believe there is a difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven. I don't believe the Sermon on the Mount is for some future age. I don't believe that you can hack up New Testament books--some for the Jews and some for the Church. I think that the only thing the Bible really holds up in that kind of system [i.e., dispensationalism] is that there is a future for Israel, and that's an exegetical issue." ____________________ (The following Question was asked by a member of the congregation at Grace Community Church in Panorama City, California, and Answered by their pastor, John MacArthur Jr.) Source: www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/70-16-9.htm 'Question 'What is dispensationalism? And what is your position, from Scripture, on the subject? 'Answer 'I will try to condense this because I don't want to get too bogged down. Dispensationalism is a system. It is a system that got, sort of, out of control. I think it started out with a right understanding. The earliest and most foundational and helpful comprehension of dispensationalism was: '"That the Bible taught a unique place for Israel and that the Church could not fulfill God's promises to Israel, therefore, there is a still a future and a kingdom involving the salvation and the restoration and the reign of the nation Israel (historical Jews)." 'Dispensationalism at that level, (if we just take that much of it, and that's all I want to take of it, that's where I am on that), dispensationalism became the term for something that grew out of that and got carried away because it got more, and more, and more compounded. Not only was there a distinction between the Church and Israel, but there was a distinction between the new covenant for the Church, and the new covenant for Israel. And then there could become a distinction between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven; and there could become a distinction in the teaching of Jesus, between what He said for this age and what He said for the Millennial Age; and they started to even go beyond that; and then there were some books in the New Testament for the Church and some books in the New Testament for the Jews, and it just kept going and going and going until it became this very confounded kind of system... 'I really believe that they got carried away and started imposing on Scripture things that aren't in Scripture. For example, traditionally, dispensationalism says, "The Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) has nothing to do with us, so we don't need to worry about it." When I went through the Sermon on the Mount in writing my commentary, as well, I pointed out how foolish that is.' (...) There Is A Real Future For Israel 'If you take a literal approach to Scripture, then you cannot conclude anything other than that God has a future for Israel. What that means is that the Church is distinct from Israel, and when God is through with the Church, and takes the church to glory then He brings that time of Jacob's distress, that we read about earlier, purges, redeems Israel, and the kingdom comes. 'I don't want to say any more than that about dispensationalism. I don't believe there are two different kinds of salvation. I don't believe there are two different covenants. I don't believe there is a difference between the kingdom of God and the kingdom of heaven. I don't believe the Sermon on the Mount is for some future age. I don't believe that you can hack up New Testament books--some for the Jews and some for the Church. I think that the only thing the Bible really holds up in that kind of system is that there is a future for Israel, and that's an exegetical issue.' To read more go to: www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/70-16-9.htm |
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376 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 189770 | ||
InGodITrust, Please read again what I posted. Everything in quotation marks in that post was written by John MacArthur, including the pull quote at the beginning of the post. There are no words of my own before I quote John MacArthur. Moreover, I am in complete agreement with the quotation by MacArthur. If I did not make my meaning clear in my previous post, then the fault is mine. It was my failure to communicate clearly. Shalom, Kalos |
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377 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 189844 | ||
InGodITrust, No problem. Apology accepted. There are several pastors and teachers on the Bott Radio Network whose teaching I have found to be reliable. That said, I value and agree with Dr. John MacArthur's teachings more than anyone else's. I use the MacArthur Study Bible daily, whih is more than any of the other seven study Bibles in my personal library. I have huge problems with Hank Hanegraaff's interpretation of Revelation and other eschatology passages. I respect and appreciate the fact that you fought for the USA in southeast Asia. Be blessed and be a blessing, Kalos |
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378 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 189846 | ||
Justme, It was interesting to read about your core theology. I think I would have to say that my core theology starts with Deuteronomy 6:4. Grace to you, Kalos |
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379 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 189847 | ||
"Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many." Matthew 24:11 'Popular TV preachers 'Joyce Meyer is one of America's best-known prosperity-gospel TV ministers -- preachers who teach that personal wealth can be attained through a strong faith in God and a strict adherence to the Bible. 'Following is an alphabetical list of a new wave of popular word-faith ministers who have used television to build large followings: (...) 'Kenneth and Gloria Copeland 'Headquarters: Fort Worth, Texas 'Reach: Ministry Web site says its TV show, "Believer's Voice of Victory," is seen by more than 76 million households on nearly 700 U.S. stations. Show also airs on about 135 international stations. 'Wealth: A ministry official estimates the ministry's annual revenue at 70 million [dollars] . (...) 'Jan and Paul Crouch 'Headquarters: Costa Mesa, Calif. 'Reach: The Crouches are owners of Trinity Broadcast Network, the world's largest Christian TV network. TBN reaches millions of viewers on more than 5,000 TV stations and 33 international satellites around the world. 'Wealth: The Crouches and their son Paul Crouch Jr. said they earned a total of 855,000 [dollars] last year. TBN's annual income exceeds 100 million [dollars] a year, according to the Los Angeles Times. The ministry provides the Crouches a 10 million [dollar] , 80-acre, eight-home ranch near Dallas and two Land Rovers that the Crouches drive. In 2001, the couple bought a 5 million [dollar] oceanfront estate in Newport Beach, Calif. (...) 'Creflo Dollar 'Headquarters: College Park, Ga. 'Reach: Dollar's "Changing Your World" TV program on TBN reaches 150 countries. 'Wealth: The ministry's income is unavailable, but newspaper accounts say the ministry paid 18 million [dollars] in cash for his new 8,000-seat World Changers Church International on the southern edge of Atlanta. He drives a black Rolls-Royce and travels in a 5 million [dollar] private jet. (...) 'Marilyn Hickey 'Headquarters: Denver 'Reach: Her TV show, "Today with Marilyn," on the TBN and Black Entertainment Television networks can be seen around the world. She has offices in England, South Africa and Australia, and is on the board of Oral Roberts University. 'Wealth: Her ministry occupies a 260,000-square-foot former shopping mall in Denver. No information on ministry or her personal wealth is available. 'In the news: She has been dubbed the "fairy godmother of the word-faith movement" and "the mistress of mail-order madness," by the Texas-based Christian Sentinel, a ministry that monitors what it calls "religious deception." Hickey got the "mistress" name for her use of trinkets - blessed cornmeal, cloths, seeds and coins - sent out to followers to urge them to send in money. 'Benny Hinn 'Headquarters: Grapevine, Texas 'Reach: Hinn's "This is Your Day" program is seen throughout the United States and in nearly 200 foreign countries. 'Wealth: The ministry took in 60 million [dollars] in 2001. A news story earlier this year in the Colorado Springs Gazette said annual income now exceeds 90 million [dollars]. Hinn told CNN in 1997 that he drew an annual salary of 500,000 [dollars] to 1 million [dollars] a year. He has a 3.5 million [dollar] home in the Los Angeles area and drives an 80,000 [dollar] Mercedes-Benz G500. 'In the news: A "Dateline" segment on NBC examined five of Hinn's faith-healing "miracles," showing that none of the people was cured and that one woman with lung cancer died nine months later. 'Rodney Howard-Browne 'Headquarters: The River at Tampa Bay, Tampa, Fla. 'Reach: His live broadcasts from his River at Tampa Bay Church stream online on his Internet site www.revival.com and can be seen worldwide. 'Wealth: He and his wife, Adonica, oversee his 16 million [dollar] church, which they founded in 1996. The couple live in a six-bedroom, four-bath lakefront home on Cory Lake in northwest Tampa. The home includes a dock, spa, pool and gazebo. 'In the news: Howard-Browne has called himself the "bartender of holy laughter." Holy laughter was a controversial movement that swept evangelical circles in the mid-1990s. He would walk on stage laughing uncontrollably. The congregation would begin laughing. Howard-Browne would sweep his arm toward the crowd. People would appear "drunk on the Holy Spirit" and slide out of their chairs or dance in the aisles.' ____________________ St. Louis Post-Dispatch, 11/18/2003 (http://www.stltoday.com/) matt2411 |
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380 | The APOCALYPSE CODE. | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 189848 | ||
The Gospel According to Joyce ____________________ "...no orthodox believer ever held to the belief that Christ suffered and atoned for our sins in hell, rather than on the cross." ____________________ Joyce Meyer teaches "the necessity of Jesus having to pay for our sins in hell, under the torment of Satan and his angels -- a teaching both unsubstantiated by and contrary to Scripture." ____________________ 'Joyce Meyer shares the platform from time to time with Word of Faith teachers like, for example, Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Benny Hinn, and T.D. Jakes.(5) Chrisitan Research Institute (CRI) is critical of and concerned with some of her practices and teachings. 'In her 1991 booklet, The Most Important Decision You Will Ever Make, she teaches a hallmark doctrine of Faith theology, namely, that Christ had to suffer in hell to atone for our sins and be born again: "During that time He entered hell, where you and I deserved to go (legally) because of our sin….He paid the price there.…no plan was too extreme…Jesus paid on the cross and in hell….God rose up from His throne and said to demon powers tormenting the sinless Son of God, “Let Him go.” Then the resurrection power of Almighty God went through hell and filled Jesus….He was resurrected from the dead -- the first born-again man.(6)" 'Her assertions are not unlike those of leading Word of Faith proponent Kenneth Copeland, who also believes Christ’s death on the cross was not sufficient to atone for our sins, and that His work of redemption was completed by suffering in hell and being born again. According to Copeland, "When Jesus cried, “It is finished!” He was not speaking of the plan of redemption. There were still three days and nights to go through before He went to the throne….Jesus’ death on the cross was only the beginning of the complete work of redemption.(7) "[The] word of the living God went down into the pit of destruction and charged the spirit of Jesus with resurrection power! Suddenly His twisted, death-wracked spirit began to fill out and come back to life. He began to look like something the devil had never seen before. He was literally being reborn before the devil’s very eyes. He began to flex His spiritual muscles….Jesus was born again -- the first-born from the dead.(8)" 'According to a recently published interview with free-lance writer Ken Walker, however, Meyer contradictorily denies ever believing or teaching that Christ was born again in hell.(9) 'Moreover, in her 1991 booklet, Meyer asserts that salvation is impossible without believing Jesus suffered in hell as the believer’s substitute. Meyer writes, “There is no hope of anyone going to heaven unless they believe this truth I am presenting. You cannot go to heaven unless you believe with all your heart that Jesus took your place in hell.”(10) 'While historic Christianity has debated the issue of whether or not Jesus actually descended into hell (e.g., to proclaim the gospel, declare victory, etc. [1 Peter 3:18-19), no orthodox believer ever held to the belief that Christ suffered and atoned for our sins in hell, rather than on the cross. 'Yet, Word of Faith teachers, including Joyce Meyer, teach the necessity of Jesus having to pay for our sins in hell, under the torment of Satan and his angels -- a teaching both unsubstantiated by and contrary to Scripture. The entirety of Christ’s atoning work (i.e., His suffering and death in our place) occurred on the cross (e.g., 1 Peter 2:24), ending with His proclamation, “It is finished” (John 19:30). The Christ of Faith theology literally had to become sin, taking on the nature of Satan while in hell, thereby needing to be born again in hell before His resurrection could occur.' (To read the entire, uncut article quoted above, please go to: http://www.equip.org/search/ and in the search field enter the words Joyce Meyer.) To learn more about the wonderful world of Satan and his powers, go to a Word of Faith website, e.g. Benny Hinn, Joyce Meyer, Ken Copeland, and others. They will tell you all about Satan's power and its near equality with God's power, how Satan can read our minds, how people who can't even get their own kids to obey them can order Satan around, how God owes us healing on demand, and many other fictions. Grace to you, kalos |
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