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21 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | jamison | 208556 | ||
Hello peace, No, that is not the question I was referring to, but I appreciate you helping. I am referring to post 208536. Thank you, jamison |
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22 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | jamison | 208559 | ||
Peace, I have had this discussion with others here before, that is why I know that many of them are unwilling to test it. Many will not consider anything that does not already line up with what they believe. Obviously that will vary with each individual. As far as the theologian vs Pharisee. You state, "Pharisees who built their teachings on their misunderstanding of the purpose of the law. Theologians have for centuries built their teachings on what Christ directly taught about everything he addresses, as well as what the apostles taught about what they addressed. There is a real difference between the Pharisees teaching and Christian orothodox theology." The Pharisees based their teaching on the Scriptures. We base our teaching on the Scriptures. However, their understanding was much more straight forward (in their language and culture). We have it in a different culture and have to translate it as well. Which do you think is more likely to be accurate? I am not saying they were right, but if they could be so far off, what makes us think our theologians are dead on the money? I have plenty of objections with mainstream theology, but that is not the point. I am not trying to get you to believe like me. I have not asked anyone to explain their theology in this thread either. Lastly, not one verse you stated said to accept Jesus as your Savior. I looked them up when I first read the post. Many had believe or follow Jesus. Some didn't seem to relate at all (in my opinion, but I will rethink those outside my box if you would like). There is a big difference between accepting Christ as Saviour (popularly taught in mainstream) and believing in Jesus. But I didn't feel like going in to it so I let is ride. So am I willing to put forth what I believe for everyone to see. I don't have a problem with that. The host will though and it will not be up for long and then it will be censored, so no, there is no reason to go into what I believe. In fact, this thread is already restricted and I haven't even said anything. I am not trying to get you to believe it anyway, but to think outside the confines of your own theology. Even if they call you a heretic (thank God for the heretic Martin Luther!). If we were alive when Jesus walked the earth would we stick to our theology or follow Him? Do you think the religious leaders of Jesus' day thought He was a heretic? jamison |
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23 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | jamison | 208562 | ||
The original response was meant to get you to think John, not to define my beliefs. In fact, Jesus seemed to do the same thing with the guy. He didn't actually answer the guy's question but made him look deeper (which Jeff pointed out). Like to argue? maybe. Probably right on that. But that is not the motivation. The motivation is to get you to think as well as think outside what you already believe. jamison |
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24 | What do we need to know about God | John 17:3 | jamison | 208571 | ||
Peace, First, as far as my salvation, I have done everything in your list of requirements. So please tell me, how is it clear that I do not take Jesus as my savior? I have not denied any of the beliefs that go against the rules of the Forum. If so, please show me which one. However, you added baptism to the list of things necessary to be saved. In your own response, you question whether I "believe in the basic tenets of Christianity regarding the means of salvation as by faith alone, by grace alone?". You don't believe that, so don't point your finger. I have accused you of nothing ... until now. I merely challenged each of you to think outside of Christian tradition. You however have stated that baptism is needed to be saved. This is not faith alone. This is faith plus... jamison |
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25 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204937 | ||
Hello Tamara, Just a comment on your post... 2Sa 12:23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me. This says the the child will NOT return to David, not that he would. Also, in Acts 2:34 Peter says specifically that David has not ascended to heaven, but (Acts 2:29) is dead and buried. Just a quick notation is all. PS, soul sleepers use the Acts 2 passage to defend soul sleep as well, believing in death being complete, not just body, until the resurrection when all shall be made alive. jamison |
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26 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204974 | ||
Hello Tamara, Do I believe in soul sleep? Well, I wouldn't call it soul sleep. Usually the only ones who call it that are the ones who don't believe in it. I call it death. I don't get confused about "sleep" because of it being an idiom for death either. You're point on that is right, it was a euphemism. However, I believe that when you die, you ACTUALLY die, not just your body. You mention 2 Cor 5:8 and Phil 1:23. These are commonly taken to mean that once you leave the body you are present with the Lord. You also say that I have to read into it soul sleep. The problem with that is we (you, me, pretty much everyone) reads into Scripture whatever their theology is anyway. Some admit to this, others deny it, but we all do it, even though it is unintentional. Let me give you a little example. Rom 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Well, here we usually read into this verse that "death" means separation from God or hell. We all read into plenty of verses, we should just try to do this as little as possible, but we will all still do it. Now, you say that Paul was not meaning a 2000 year gap. You might be right. I don't have all the answers, that is for sure. However, if Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father in heaven, then how is it that we go to be with Him upon our death if no man has ascended to heaven (John 3:13, Acts 2:34 - David). That being said, when one dies then for them it is instantaneous. They don't know they are dead. It is sort of like anesthesia. You close your eyes and when you open them you are in the afterlife. You also mention that "Paul does not have any gap of time in mind here or he would have said so". Paul says neither and is quiet on the matter. Job says there is a gap of time (Job 14:7-17). It is definitely related as a time between death and resurrection. Anyway, I am rambling on. Soul sleep (or death as I call it) is really a minor point to me. It has much larger implications, but soul sleep is not too important really. But one more thing, if death is really the result of our sin. If that was really part of the curse God placed on Adam and Eve. Then what kind of curse is it if we don't really die? We just live on forever somewhere else right? You see, we still believe the very first lie don't we. "Ye shall not surely die: " (Gen 3:4). Take it for what you will. To avoid a debate I will let you have the last post. If you would like to discuss each other's points for more consideration you can email me at jamison2u@gmail.com jamison |
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27 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204976 | ||
Hello Val, As I mentioned in the reply to Tamara, we all read into the Scriptures our own theology. We shouldn't, and we should all try not too. But we all do this. The sooner one realizes it, the better they become at avoiding it, but since they are human, they still will. It is impossible not to. As for the verses, there are plenty. Mostly in the OT, but a few in the NT. I know you like to do the inductive Bible study one book at a time. However, sometimes you have to step back and look at it as a whole. The OT scribes did not seem to believe in an afterlife. There are verses that due to vague translations appear to say otherwise (Ecc 12:7) but upon closer examination you find it doesn't mean afterlife in the Hebrew. Anyway, the OT writers didn't seem to believe in an afterlife. All who died (whether good or bad) went to the same place, Sheol. Which was basically just the grave. Sheol is described as a place of no knowledge, can't remember or praise God, gloom and deep shadow, disorder, where even light is like darkness, no working or planning or wisdom. By the way, in case you didn't read the post to Tamara, I don't call it soul sleep I call it death. I believe you ACTUALLY die, not just your body. When reading the OT it is apparent these guys thought the same thing. I believe you actually die...until the resurrection that is. If we don't actually die, then Satan didn't really lie to us did he (Gen 3:4)? We just live on forever somewhere else. Here are some verses to consider - Job 12:20 - Job 14:7-17 - Psalms 6:5 - Ecc 3:18-21 - Ecc 9:5 - Ecc 9:10 What is more important than what these verses say is what the rest of the OT doesn't say. It does not talk about an afterlife except for Daniel and Job. Both have an idea of time elapsing between death and resurrection. jamison |
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28 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204985 | ||
Doc, You can't just shoot down an idea because some other group might loosely agree with it. That is bad logic and very misleading to others reading your post. You have tried to lump me in with other religions in an attempt to discredit me. Anyone should be able to see the flaw there. For example, you believe that Jesus Christ came and died for sinners and that believing on Him is the way to be justified and go to heaven. Well, if I recall correctly (and I do since I have read the book of Mormon) that the Mormons believe the exact same thing. Does that mean you are a heretic or cult leader because one of your doctrines happens to coincide with one of theirs? I can give you more examples if necessary, but I think one is enough. If you want to point out an error in what I have written, please do. I am always looking to learn. But don't use silly arguments that don't hold up in an attempt to make me look foolish. To answer your question, I don't affiliate with any particular theological disposition or denomination or whatever. I am a follower of Jesus Christ. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I do know the Way, the Truth, and the Life. I don't even agree with all the theology of the church I attend. I am not trying to line up with any predetermined theology. I am trying to line up with Christ. jamison |
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29 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204987 | ||
Hello Val, No problem. Look them over if you like. Doesn't matter if you agree. Just understand that I switched to the soul sleep (actual death) side after it was presented to me and I researched all these things. I studied the rich man and Lazarus parable, Moses and Elijah, Enoch, etc. I may be wrong, but I did look into all these as well as others. For example, regarding the transfiguration, in Matt 7:9 Jesus tells the disciples to not tell anyone of the vision. I looked up the word translated as vision (horama 3705). It is used 11 other times in the NT and is pretty obvious in the other usages that it refers to like a dream (notice Acts 12:9 especially when Peter actually wondered if something were true or a vision [horama]). Anyway, just food for thought. To answer your question, I believe that body, soul, spirit, mind, consciousness, all of you dies at death. However, we will live again after the Resurrection. jamison |
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30 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 204988 | ||
Hello budderfligh, To be honest, I am not sure where you are going with the "whosoever" part. Since you feel it would be valuable, I will let you expound while I consider. Please do so if you like. jamison |
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31 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205046 | ||
Hello Val, You seem to have proven my point for me. Just because you happen to have a belief in common with another group (Jesus is Son of God, died for our sins and is the only way to heaven) does not mean you are similar to them. That was my point. The response had the effect of grouping me in with SDA and JW just because ONE of our beliefs were similar. I never said the Mormons were exactly like you, but by pointing out one similarity it must have implied as much. That was my point exactly. I am fully aware that none of the regulars here are Mormons or believe the majority of what they believe. jamison |
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32 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205047 | ||
Hello Val, I was not saying that anywhere. I was merely talking of actual death until the resurrection. However, that does mean that I do not think anyone is in hell right now. jamison |
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33 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205049 | ||
Hello Val, No, I am not a JW. For the record, not a SDA, Mormon, Christian Scientist, Muslim, Hindu, or Buddhist either. I am also not Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic, Pentacostal, etc, etc, etc. I do not hold to any particular tradition that I am aware of. If so, it is coincidental. I believe Jesus Christ to be the Son of God who died for our sins to make us righteous before the Father. I believe the Scriptures are God's Word. jamison |
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34 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205053 | ||
Hello John, You have pointed to the one verse that is a puzzler to me. I have read how other people who believe in actual death interpret this and some seem feasible while others seem far fetched. I could share some of the ideas, but it really wouldn't matter. Suffice it to say that in light of the other verses I have presented before and the fact that the Jews had pretty much no concept of life continuing after death, that I do not believe this is saying otherwise. Well done though. The other verses are pretty easy to show aren't talking about continued life after death. This one presents (for me at least) the only one that would point in the other direction. jamison |
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35 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205054 | ||
Hello CDBJ, Yes. I believe the entirety of Scripture. Our interpretations may differ, but I assure you that I believe it to be God's Word. "No man cometh unto the Father, but by me" jamison |
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36 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205055 | ||
Hello CDBJ, Yes. I believe the entirety of Scripture. Our interpretations may differ, but I assure you that I believe it to be God's Word. "No man cometh unto the Father, but by me" jamison |
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37 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205065 | ||
Hello Hank, As far as church affiliation, I don't affiliate with any church denomination. I attend (and am very active) in a non-denominational church. However, I do not believe all that the members or paster believe. I am not a Mormon. For the record, I have read the Book of Mormon and think it is a hoax. I believe in actual death, which you refer to as soul sleep. Though I am not for certain that what you think soul sleep is, is what I adhere to, I am sure it is close enough. As for Doc. I am aware that he is a long time and well respected member. Your defense of him is very honorable. However, he did use bad logic in an attempt to discredit me (whether intentional or unintentional). This point was proven when I did the same thing and Val responded. Secondly, he did not juxtapose my opinion with Scripture, he merely pointed to how it corresponded with other cults. I will refresh myself with the rules of the Forum. And finally, I do not think little of what others have been taught by the Spirit. It is usually the other way around. jamison |
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38 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205066 | ||
Hello Doc, If you meant no ad hominem, then I take you at your word. It did seem that way to me, but I have been wrong plenty of times before. I have never asserted my own freedom from reading the Scripture in light of my theology. I merely stated that I recognize that I do. Something many do not admit. Yes, my friend. My non-denominational church believes in no other inspired Word of God than the Scripture. As you and Hank have requested, I will get something in my profile. jamison |
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39 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205092 | ||
Hello Brad, I never said they believed the exact same thing about Jesus. Reread my post if you like, but I merely mentioned one thing they do believe and how it corresponds to what we believe. And the point of that statement has been illustrated in my response to Val, so I will not go into it again. I am not hiding anything about what church I am affiliated. If you have read my latest posts (after you wrote this of course) I go into this in further detail. I just don't affiliate with any particular denomination. Lastly, I never said that I was free from bias. In fact, I even said that I did the exact same thing. Reread my posts and you will see that I admit to doing the same thing. I just acknowledge I do it and try not to. But I still do. jamison |
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40 | An interesting discussion/question | Romans | jamison | 205093 | ||
Hello John, I am not trying to sway you, stand firm. However, if Scripture is truly God-breathed, then every verse I have quoted is basically spoken from the lips of God Himself as well. jamison |
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