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801 | Divorce | 1 Thess 4:3 | gracefull | 77487 | ||
Searcher is correct. Scripture requires you stay married, But I suggest you look beyond the requirements. Jesus taught on numerous occasions that the highest form of love is to give ones self for another. Look beyond what is 'required' because if one is married outwardly but rebellious or resentful in the heart, God will have much difficulty in reaching the spouse, (and indeed the believing spouse is in sin as well). One is not submitted to God who obeys outwardly but when one obeys from a heart of love and trust. He desires to reach the spouse, to demonstrate His love through the believing spouse. (sanctified by the wife) We as believers should submit to the LOVE of God while walking in the commands of God. In this can the miraculous working power of the Holy Spirit produce a Godly marriage, rather than a marriage of suffering. God bless P.S. I do not suggest one stays in a physically abusive situation, but in seperating, continue to believe God to turn the spouse around. |
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802 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 89868 | ||
Hi Robert, I have been reading through this thread and find that the answers seem incomplete..for instance mommapbs said, "In some matters, God keeps secrets from us (Dt 29:29). How He will accomplish this is yet to be seen. It is here where faith takes over, FytRobert." I agree that He does not always disclose the exact path of prophetic fulfillment, but in the case of Enoch and Elizah there would have had to be a 'loophole' of some sort in the curse that came upon Adam and all mankind. The curse came upon all men. The priest were offering sacrifices for the people which still did not make them righteous...fytRobert has a valid question...how did Enoch and Elizah escape death? NOT just physical death but they were 'taken up' opposed to descending into Hell (the holding compartment) like everyone else? Romans 5:14-17 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. 15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. 16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification. 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) This may be a mystery... God bless |
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803 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 89869 | ||
I do not have my Bible here today, but I can say these books are included in the Jewish Complete Bible availabe for purchase on line. God bless |
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804 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 89870 | ||
George, I would like to make two points if I may.. First, your statement here confirms the 'consideration' of schmythe is unscriptureal. "So… I seriously doubt that Enoch and Elijah were taken up by Jesus, for He hadn’t even been born yet. Thus, this occurrence is irrelevant to the fact that “says the only way to the Father is through Jesus.”" He had not yet paid the price for man's sins so Enoch and Elizah were still under the curse of the law of sin and death, still under the Old Covenant, unredeemed. My second point is that when someone comes to the forum who is searching for an answer, even through speculation, their speculations should be responded to with scripture and not animosity, despite how they may be 'coming across'. We should make every effort to set the example. Speculation is the way some go at learning... Thirdly, based on the truth set forth that it is not likely Jesus came and took them because scripture tells us He had no become the redeemer until death burial and resurrection..So the scripture can't be broken...How can Enoch and Elizah be translated based on Romans 5:14-17? They were under the same curse, they were definitely men..Enoch had children... I agree these two may very well be the two witnesses...but how did they escape the curse? Forgive me if you have given a clear response to this already, I may have missed a post the post. If so, just direct me to it or copy and paste it to this note. God bless |
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805 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 89871 | ||
"When I address this forum again -- if it's God's will -- I will examine the first premise most churches teach that the Scriptures plainly contradict, but by its application casts many a stumbling block before the would-be believer." You have piqued my curiosity...I hope I don't miss the post. Do you see a 'premise' that may have blocked our vision on this topic..Enoch and Elizah translated? God bless |
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806 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90106 | ||
God's own Word, which He swears by, is the essence of Himself John 1:1-3 'boxed' Himself in by covenant. God is not a covenant breaker. I agree with both verses above and do not see where God's Word of Covenant contradicts these verses. His Word IS His will. If His Word were unreliable He would be like mankind..unreliable. But we know God is faithful and His Word is ABSOLUTE we should not have any qualms about asking Him to reveal how this was possible in light of Romans 5:14-17. The answer is most likely hidden in His Word, but we can't see it due to our own 'boxed in thinking', which may or may not correct. God bless |
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807 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90111 | ||
Hi George, I understand your response. I tend to do this myself...and we scripture is truly the final authority in all discussion...gentleness is a fruit of the Holy Spirit in us, and as with all fruit, they take time to be produced in all of us. Now on Enoch and Elizah... "Who is to say that Enoch and Eliga have escaped the curse? (Now, please don't take this statement as it appears. Take it spiritually.) Who is to say their curse is not yet to come in the end days?" In discussing Enoch and Elizha, I do not know either. Most of us only have theory. The only thing that bothers me about this is the observation I made, that God does not change. I was opening up the discussion in light of our doctrines. God could not, would not violate His Word. The statement that God does not want us to know is not acceptable to me. Not because I believe He 'tells all' but because this statement can discourage a seeker from seeking. As a teacher, I do not agree with this method of answering a question. The best approach is to say that I do not know, but here is what we do know...now let's do some comparisons of scripture and pray for wisdom. As you said...did they escape? I do not have the answer anymore than Robert....And the fact is, neither did anyone else...but Robert had an excellent question. No, we do not know they escaped the curse, but there is the question of them going 'up' and not 'down'... But in light of the foundational doctrines, if we are wrong in those it will take a whole lot more than a brief discussion here on this forum! Know what I mean? I am submitting the question to the Holy Spirit, because He is the one who knows. God bless |
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808 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90113 | ||
Good morning schmythe, What I said was that REDEMPTION had not yet been provided by the Man Jesus. He had not shed His blood for the sins of mankind so redemption or the escape from the penalty of sin had not yet been provided, therefore Enoch and Elizah were both still under the Old Covenant, just as Issac, Jacob and Abraham. Jesus THE WORD was with the Father 'from the beginning' and was very active in the creation. God the Father spoke the Word and the Holy Spirit moved. Does that clarify my statement? God bless |
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809 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90126 | ||
Ed, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are simply confused by the many posts here, and not actually misrepresenting what I said. So I will copy and paste my statement. "If God's word doesn't contradict, then possibly your take that God said everyone has to physically die could be wrong." Now I will go copy and paste what I said... "I agree that He does not always disclose the exact path of prophetic fulfillment, but in the case of Enoch and Elizah there would have had to be a 'loophole' of some sort in the curse that came upon Adam and all mankind. The curse came upon all men. The priest were offering sacrifices for the people which still did not make them righteous...fytRobert has a valid question...how did Enoch and Elizah escape death? NOT just physical death but they were 'taken up' opposed to descending into Hell (the holding compartment) like everyone else?" Please note carefully the LAST sentence. You may have to read through the thread to find it but someone else addressed this question from the physical death perspective and I was pointing out that escaping physical death is not the question. Escaping physical death is not something I have a problem with in this passage..but rather that Enoch and Elizah also seemingly escaped the spiritual death which is seperation from God.... How could that be in light of the fact that 'death' 'spiritual death' was placed on ALL mankind? If every animal in the world were sacrificed they would not have been 'Clean'. I do not have the answer, but all the answers I have heard here have only raised more questions. Which I am presenting for consideration. God bless |
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810 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90127 | ||
Ed, I agree that unless the Lord returns we wil all die physically. I have NEVER posted anything that stated otherwise. If you can find where I did, please copy it and post it here on the forum for everyone to see. You have accused me of saying this before, and I corrected you then too... I did say one does not have to be physically ill to die. One's spirit can simply leave the body when our time is up! "Yesterday I watched a woman sing "God is all I need" with such power and conviction that my soul was exicted and my faith was increased. Why because I know this woman, she had a one son. He was a son any of us would have been proud to have. He loved his mother, he was faithful, honest, obedient, loving. There are not enough positive comments to totally descibe him. He was 18 when he fell from the boat he was on and drowned. His mother was shaken to the very core of her faith but let me tell you she never lost her faith and today she can sing 'God is all I need' and do it in such a way that any that knows her story knows God is all that she needs." I assume by this testimony you are saying that God killed her son so she would realize she need God only? If that is your conclusion? All I can say is I believe Satan took her son's life and she learned God's grace and the Holy Spirit can carry her through anything. She needs no other source of comfort. No other would help. God bless God bless |
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811 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90242 | ||
Hello Ed, "I'm saying saying I don't know why this son died but I see the good that came from out of it. It has brought much glory and honor to God. As a servant of God would you not be willing to die so that God got the glory? Remember the martyrs" This is not a case of being martyred...God did not get glory from the death, but from the living mother who chose to trust God's love without understanding. I told you before that as growing and developing believers these are truths that must come progressively. "Your right Satan did take her child's life but not before God gave Satan permission to do so. We can not die one second before God gives the okay. You forget who owns us, God. Satan can take nothing that God does not allow." God does not commit murder. To 'authorize' murder is to be a murderer. I own my cat but have no legal or moral right to kill it. Now I do agree with you here to a degree...God has given us His Word and Hiw Word teaches us His will and His Word teaches us consequences, requorements, and I know you hate the word but LAWS. God's Word, His covenant with us is His LAWS for us to live by. And He has bound HImself by those same laws, that same covenant. In that sense, yes, one might say God authorized it... But God does not murder His righteous children... Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: God's Word does not say All WILL be healed but I do believe that God's will for His children to be healed is established in the Word. "You said everyone that has to be healed if they have enough faith. I'm saying that is simply not true. No where in the Bible is that stated. " He was wounded for our transgressions, bruised for our iniquities. The chastisment of our peace was upon Him and by His stripes we were healed. Acts 14:9 The same heard Paul speak: who stedfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he had faith to be healed, And many more I have not the time to list. "Everyone dies from something" Where is this stated in scripture? 1. Old Age is not a desease. To complete your life and calling then your spirit departs is totally different from cancer or heart desease forcing your spirit out of the body. God bless |
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812 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90244 | ||
"The same way Abraham escaped it, by knowing he needed a Messiah and putting his faith in the Messiah before Jesus came. Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness," I guess I am not making my point clear here... Abraham was under the Old Covenant and the Old Covenant saints went to 'Paradise' or 'Abraham's bosom'...not Heaven Genesis 5:24 24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. 2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. None of the Old Testament saints went to Heaven because they were not yet fully redeemed... This is my point for discussion. Heaven Strong's #8064 1. heaven, heavens, visible skies a. as the abode of the stars b. Heaven as the abode of God If heaven heare is the sky, one can make the assumption that Elijah did not go to Heaven, but if Elijah went to Heaven...HOW? God bless |
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813 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90254 | ||
Ed, We have been at an empass here for awhile. You believe the stripes Jesus bore was for 'spiritual healing' and I believe is to spiritual, and physical, bought in the atonement. If we do not agree on this alone...the rest is never going to 'gel'. God bless |
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814 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90255 | ||
God bypassed the curse placed upon all amnkind and made an eception of Enoch and Elijah? God violated His own Word because He is God? No, that does not wash... God bless |
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815 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90274 | ||
Hi pastor floyd, Your post blessed me. Sometimes I feel very alone here on the forum. But I believe you intended this post to go to Ed. He is the one who believes the verse in 1 Peter 2:24 is speaking of 'spiritual healing only'. But in defense, he does belive in healing, but he believes it is at God's discretion and not available to all believers provided through the atonement just as salvation to 'WHOSOEVER WILL'. He believes God's sovereignty allows Him to choose who He will or will not heal. I believe God's sovereignty has provided healing through His covenant to be received by faith. Thanks for the testimony!!!!! God bless |
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816 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90278 | ||
"I will like wise give you the benefit. If you don't know the answer don't attempt to answer the question but inventing a "LOOPHOLE"." I did not create a loophole...Ed, I was trying to get the folks on the threa to get out of the 'box' and actually begin to consider this question...actually have a STUDY of the question asked. I was not saying there WAS a loophole. I said if I accept the answers being given they sound like loopholes because of the fact that all men were condemned to spiritual death, seperation from God. So how did Enoch and Elijah go to heaven... BUT ED YOU had to try to turn it into a debate rather than a STUDY of comparison of scripture and respectful hearing of various input from various people!! WHY? Because you were determined to try to undermine and discredit me. I WANTED to get folks to ACTUALLY THINK! God bless |
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817 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90390 | ||
Hi Roaring Lamb, That is a great way to begin! Let's get a foundation to begin.. You asked, "What I ask is that you show me specifically the words that say Enoch or Elijah did not die and we'll take it from there. Here's my promise: if after several exchanges on this topic, you still think I'm off my rocker and you no longer want to hear from me, I'll honor your request." But first we need to distinguish between physical death and spiritual death, because I have no problem with God translating someone from this life to the next escaping physical death either under the Old or New Covenant. If this is your starting point, you may have to begin with your points. But I do have a question about Enoch and Elijah escaping SPIRITUAL DEATH placed upon all mankind from Adam.. In addressing 'spiritual' death I would begin with Romans 5:14-17 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. 16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. 17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. Now if spiritual death under the Old Covenant was to go to the holding place of the righteous dead as Luke 16 seems to indicate.. Luke 16:22 21 and longing to be fed with the crumbs which were falling from the rich man's table; besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores. 22 "Now the poor man died and was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom; and the rich man also died and was buried. 23 "In Hades he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom. ....then how did Elijah go to 'heaven'. Did Enoch and Elijah not experience the 'spiritual death' pronounced upon all men? Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. (should not see death) 2 Kings 2:11 11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. (taken up to heaven) Let me know if my posts are unclear as communication can be a tricky thing. Secondly, I may not be able to respond in depth on any given day. My time is limited, and I am sure yours is too. God bless |
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818 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90395 | ||
"Will you agree that Christ died for our sins and healed us spiritually? If so once we believe in Christ and stay in the faith are we ever spiritually sick again? The answer is no. If physical healing is in the atonement then no Christian should ever get physically sick provided they stay in the faith. Yet we know Bill Bright a great Christian just recently died of lung disease. He must have had faith enough for spiritual healing but not for physical." Ed, that is a good observation. The first question was, "Will you agree that Christ died for our sins and healed us spiritually? If so once we believe in Christ and stay in the faith are we ever spiritually sick again?" The optimal word here would be 'stay in faith'. By this you mean that if we continue in faith in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ our savior, yes, we remain in His grace. If you mean 'remain if faith' in the sense that we 'sin no more' no. We do indeed sin (hopefully less and less as we grow up) but yes even as believers we can become entangled in sin and become spiritually sick, not to the point of spiritual death. If physical healing is in the atonement like spiritual healing when we become saved and experience our spiritual healing we should also be healed... No, just as with salvation, healing must be received by faith. All of the provisions of the atonement must be received by faith. Many are taught only that Christ died for their sins and this is all they believe for, and it is all they get. But as we grow in the Word we see that much more was provided. He was wounded for our transgression! He was bruised for our iniquities! The chastisement needful for our peace was upon Him! By His stripes you are healed! It is possible to believ in the blood for sins, and even possible to believe God heals some, but not me.... But the scripture here and indicates no exceptions. "yet we know Joni Eckerson Tada was spiritually healed however she is still confined to a wheel chair." I am sure when we all get to Heaven we sill know why...but her experience does not compromise scripture. yet we know Joni Eckerson Tada was spiritually healed however she is still confined to a wheel chair. "Therefore God provided scripture that tells us Christians what to do if we do get sick. You say it is a lack of faith. However you can't show me where God said if you lack faith and get sick here is what to do." The scripture does say 'IF there are any sick among you....' There is the conclusion that there may be some sick among you, but this does not conclude that there has to be any sick among you.... As far as your statement there is no scripture that tells us our faith can be developed to the point of not becoming sick (not yielding to any attack of sickness) There are scriptures that tell us God will give us the desires of our heart, that we are redeemed from the curse...sickness is under the curse....and that the righteous shall live by faith...If you believe for healing when you get sick, praise God you believe my brother. I can't convince you to 'believe'. That is the responsibility of the Holy Spirit...Let it rest awhile. God bless |
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819 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90398 | ||
After all our posts, you STILL miss the whole point! Abraham went to Hades along with all the other righteous dead because of the curse...How did Enoch and Elijah escape? How was their relationship so good that they seemingly escaped the curse pronounced upon all mankind? God bless |
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820 | Searching for the truth | 1 Thess 4:17 | gracefull | 90458 | ||
Romans 5:14-17 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. 16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. 17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. God bless |
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