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581 | Having yet not knowing one has | Romans | gracefull | 90270 | ||
Hi George, You said,"I address this question only to those who are aware of and have experienced the utterance of toungs." I have and here is my response. Acts 2:1-4 1 When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place. 2 And suddenly there came from heaven a noise like a violent rushing wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves, and they rested on each one of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit was giving them utterance. Acts 10:44-47 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. 45 All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also. 46 For they were hearing them speaking with tongues and exalting God. Then Peter answered, 47 "Surely no one can refuse the water for these to be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did, can he?" No, just as when one Received the new birth by faith, so must one receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit as on the day of Pentecost. If you wish to continue the discussion, let me know. God bless |
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582 | Having yet not knowing one has | Romans | gracefull | 92003 | ||
josiebible said... "Hi George: I received the Holy Ghost and did not realize it for a while. I think it was because I did not understand. I Now speak in an unknown language that is a mystry to me. But I know this that God is praying through me a perfect prayer. And I am edified and encouraged. I am a new Christain and have a lot to learn and understand. The Bible does say this gift is for all who ask and believe. I do not speak in other tongues in Church or around other people who do not understand. This is between me and God and I want all that God wants me to have. Hope this helps. A Christain, Joann Any further questains please feel free to email me at jmmgjmrtn@earthlink.net Hi George, I believe Acts 8:14-16 addreesses this post best.. 14 Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15 Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16 (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) As believers the next step is to receive the Holy Spirit by faith. There is no 'work' involved. Without a little more input from josiebible, I can't know her testimony as to where she was and what the circumstances of her yielding were, but it appears that she came to the understanding that tongues accompanies the Holy Spirit and she simply stepped into that truth by faith. That truly is all there is to it. Once we cease to resist and doubt that it is God's will to fill us and that speaking in tongues is the first sign of stepping from one level to another. There is no great effort needed. She effortlessly received. You can do the same in your own prayer closet. All believers have the presence of the Holy Spirit in some degree, but when one receives the fullness with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues, they are in a new place, a more intimate place. And the transition is notable, detectable. Sorry, I have no words to adequately express it. But does that answer your question? Also josie said she does not believe in speaking in her 'prayer language' in church or during service I should say. I agree that one should not speak out in the prayer language causing a distraction from the flow of the service. However, to pray quietly not distracting or during the alter service when praying for someone to pray in the Spirit quietly if the Holy Spirit so leads. 1 Corinthians 14.. Paul spoke in tongues, but the gift of speaking in tongues during a service is different. My E-mail address is franh@tvsa.com. God bless |
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583 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92004 | ||
George, Luke 11:13 "If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?" God bless, |
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584 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92005 | ||
josiebible Those who do not accept the Holy Spirit infilling as you know it do not see that the tongues you received, and everyone else can receive, is not the 'gift of tongues' spoken of in Corinthians 12. The gift of tongues is a different manifestation of the Holy Spirit, to be spoken where there are two or more and should be interpreted. 1 Corinthians 14... God bless |
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585 | Joann ... Why not use your gift ? | Romans | gracefull | 92008 | ||
Hi Josie, You said.. "I do know about 1 Cor 14. The way I understand this gift is that God seeks people to worship in spirit and truth and He loves for us to pray in tongues. When we speak in tongues in a Church it must be directed from the Holy Spirit and if there is not an interpreter than that is proof that that person should not have spoken out." This is for the most part correct. Your statement that if there is no interprer the pweson spoke in error may or may not be accurate. 1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: Simply because a message is not interpreted does not mean the message should not have been given. The manifestation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit are subject to the person. One can refuse or become uncertain and fearful and refuse to follow the unction of the Holy Spirit. the reason I point this out is that should the Holy Spirit decide to gift you with the gift of tongues, Satan could trick you. The person who has the 'gift' KNOWS it. The Holy Spirit will make this clear and one will not base their faith on whether someone responds or not, but rather on the voice of the Holy Spirit. What you said can be true but is not a 'rule'. Any questions? God bless |
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586 | Joann ... Why not use your gift ? | Romans | gracefull | 92010 | ||
"Your mind is unfruitful when praying in tongues, because your mind is not use in the process and there is no benefit." What is the answer to the question? Searcher, scripture states that WHEN PRAYING IN TONGUES...the mind is unfruitful.... First, not IF you THINK you are praying in tongues but WHEN PRAYING in tongues... Second, the mind is not the spirit so although the mind may not benefit, the spirit man can...The Holy Spirit 'speaketh mysteries'. 1 Corinthians 14:2 2 For one who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God; for no one understands, but in his spirit he speaks mysteries. Now, these verses state that tongues is a fact, and that tongues is the Holy Spirit speaking, thus it is the will of God. If you believe Paul is saying tongues is unprofitable while he is also saying they are a fact you have a delima. Why did God ordain tongues is they are valuless as you imply? Because the above verse clearly states they are real and odviously God's wisdom is not questionable. Why would you resist what is God's will? God bless |
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587 | Having yet not knowing one has | Romans | gracefull | 92086 | ||
Hi George, No offence taken..however I would like to comment on two of your statements. First "I don’t even need any of the “so called” details of what she said." I would like to remind you that you said, "Read josiebible’s response posted Fri 08/1/03, 11:49pm if you will. There is meaning therein that is as yet indiscernible to this meager beggar. Your comments thereon will be welcomed." Otherwise, I would not have made any further observations... In reference to 'speaking in church' the verse in 1 Corinthians 14:28 says "but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God." Please note the second part of that verse. I too prefer discernment. God bless |
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588 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92090 | ||
Joan, Good post..hopefully someone here will read and 'HEAR'. God bless |
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589 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92126 | ||
Hi Searcher, They are different in function, but not different in meaning. By that I mean both chapters are speaking of and teaching about the proper use of tongues. For instance look at 1 Corinthians 14:5 5 Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying. Look at the second part of this verse. Let me paraphrase to convey the interpretation..Greater is the message of prophesy (because it is clearly understood) than tongues UNLESS the tongues are interpreted..then they are equal with prophesy because the message in tongues is clearly understood. But what I want you to see is that Paul said UNLESS meaning all tongues may not be interpreted. 1 Corinthians 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: Now look at verse 14 and 15 14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my mind is unfruitful. 15 What is the outcome then? I will pray with the spirit and I will pray with the mind also; I will sing with the spirit and I will sing with the mind also. Paul says,' I will do both pray in tongues (in the Spirit) and I will pray with the mind...' Verse 18 and 19 18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19 however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue. Notice the HOWEVER.. Paul is saying that he speaks in tongues but in a church service it is preferable to speak either with words clearly understood or with tongues as long as there is an interpreter. Note 14:27 limits it to "at the most three" and "one at a time" ... not "two or more", as you said. 26 What is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. 27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; 28 but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. Searcher, if there was only the gift of tongues administered by the Holy Spirit at His will, why would Paul have even needed to write this letter of correction? Was it not to teach these believers the difference in praying, or singing in the spirit for personal edification and speaking through the 'gift' of tongues with the 'gift' of interpretation present? Secondly, if it is a miraculous language with someone present who know the language..why is there the need for the 'gift of interpretation'? Note 14:27 limits it to "at the most three" and "one at a time" ... not "two or more", as you said. I apologize Searcher, I was refering to Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. See verse 26 says "When you assemble"? My stament should have read, When two or more are gathered the gift of tongues can operate provided there is an interpreter. Sorry for the incomplete statement. But we won't be contentious. If you are asking because you are seeking, we can talk more. If you are asking to be contentious, we can close the discussion now as agreeing to disagree peacefully. God bless |
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590 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92232 | ||
Part 1 Hi Searcher, You said, "I think in 14:5 Paul is "tongue in cheek" ... because he already said we need each part (12:12 ff)... and that not everyone speaks in tongues (12:30)." Explain 'tongue in cheek' so I can be sure I understand what you are saying. 5 Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying. "Is prophecy and tongues equal? No according to 12:27-31. Prophets is second ... tongues is second to last." I would agree that prophesy is greater than tongues due to the fact that one prophesy edifies the body and tongues without interpretation, does not. What I said was, "Look at the second part of this verse. Let me paraphrase to convey the interpretation..Greater is the message of prophesy (because it is clearly understood) than tongues UNLESS the tongues are interpreted..then they are equal with prophesy because the message in tongues is clearly understood. But what I want you to see is that Paul said UNLESS meaning all tongues may not be interpreted." Paul clearly says that prophesy is greater UNLESS tongues are interpreted..implying that tongues with interpretation are equal or at least reasonably comparable with prophesy when the interpretation is given. You said... "The gift of tongues IS NOT the only administered by the Holy Spirit at His will ... so why would Paul have even needed to write this letter of correction ... because I have already said ... they were incorrect in the application." You may be correct on this point. I do not understand this but that may be because when the Holy Spirit uses me with the gift of tongues, He clearly indicates His will to do so. 1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. You said... You ask "If it is a miraculous language with someone present who know the language..why is there the need for the 'gift of interpretation'?" ... It is because the rest (most) of the people didn't understand the foreign tongue ... only a some did. When some message was spoken, let us say in the language of the Medes, the rest of the church didn't understand ... so Greek (or their main language) was also spoken, by interpretation. If there was no interpretation ... the rest of the church would not be edified. 1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: According to the above verses there is no indication that Paul is speaking af varying languages. He says when the unlearned or unbelievers come in what will they think? Translate:to express in another language, systematically retaining the original sense. Interpret:To explain to ones self the meaning of.2. To expound the significance of.3. To represent or render the meaning of.... Now while admittedly these two are close there is one main difference..If you speak in my language I will translate accurately, not interpret. One who interprets works as a third person..you speak, I understand because I speak the same language, then I translate to the croud. But if the message is for me, if this is the gospel preached in my language miraculously(as on Pentecost) there would be no need to interpret to otheres. |
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591 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92240 | ||
Part 2 I would agree that prophesy is greater than tongues due to the fact that one prophesy edifies the body and tongues without interpretation, does not. What I said was, "Look at the second part of this verse. Let me paraphrase to convey the interpretation..Greater is the message of prophesy (because it is clearly understood) than tongues UNLESS the tongues are interpreted..then they are equal with prophesy because the message in tongues is clearly understood. But what I want you to see is that Paul said UNLESS meaning all tongues may not be interpreted." Paul clearly says that prophesy is greater UNLESS tongues are interpreted..implying that tongues with interpretation are equal or at least reasonably comparable with prophesy when the interpretation is given. You said... "The gift of tongues IS NOT the only administered by the Holy Spirit at His will ... so why would Paul have even needed to write this letter of correction ... because I have already said ... they were incorrect in the application." You may be correct on this point. I do not understand this but that may be because when the Holy Spirit uses me with the gift of tongues, He clearly indicates His will to do so. 1 Corinthians 12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. You said... You ask "If it is a miraculous language with someone present who know the language..why is there the need for the 'gift of interpretation'?" ... It is because the rest (most) of the people didn't understand the foreign tongue ... only a some did. When some message was spoken, let us say in the language of the Medes, the rest of the church didn't understand ... so Greek (or their main language) was also spoken, by interpretation. If there was no interpretation ... the rest of the church would not be edified. 1 Corinthians 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. 23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? 24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: According to the above verses there is no indication that Paul is speaking af varying languages. He says when the unlearned or unbelievers come in what will they think? Translate:to express in another language, systematically retaining the original sense. Interpret:To explain to ones self the meaning of.2. To expound the significance of.3. To represent or render the meaning of.... Now while admittedly these two are close there is one main difference..If you speak in my language I will translate accurately, not interpret. One who interprets works as a third person..you speak, I understand because I speak the same language, then I translate to the croud. But if the message is for me, if this is the gospel preached in my language miraculously(as on Pentecost) there would be no need to interpret to otheres. If what you say is true, the word of choice would be translate..but again, Paul makes no language distinctions, on unbelievers and unlearned. You said... Matthew 18:20 does say "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them" However, again it doesn't say more than three. Moreover, this verse has been taken out of context, by many, not just you. It is about church discipline (vv 15-20). The Lord is present in a similar situation in the OT (Due 19:15-17 My exact words were, "The gift of tongues is a different manifestation of the Holy Spirit, to be spoken where there are two or more and should be interpreted." Matthew 18 "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 19 "Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." Actually in context it is addressing prayer. So int the future I will use the word gathered in service. What about 1 Corinthians 14:18-19, specifically the fact that Paul makes a distinction between speaking in tongues and speaking in tongues in service? 18 I thank God, I speak in tongues more than you all; 19 however, in the church I desire to speak five words with my mind so that I may instruct others also, rather than ten thousand words in a tongue. |
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592 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92257 | ||
"The context is discipline ... tho I have seen others say it is prayer, service and other things. That would mean He would not be present unless (only) two or three were there ... He would not be there if it was just you ... or more than three." TEXT COPIED FROM BIBLE GATEWAY SCRIPTURE SEARCH OF THE TEXT IN THE NASB: Discipline and Prayer 15 "(1) If your brother sins[1] , go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. 16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED. 17 "If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 19 "Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." God bless |
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593 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92258 | ||
"I see the whole chapter about being in church ... plus, I think he spoke in tongues, to others, outside the church. As he went on his missionary journeys and established the churches, before they were churches, I think he had to speak the native language, even if Greek was known." Where does scripture say this? Then, once established, there wasn't a need to him to speak ... they had their pastors ... and when someone came in, there may have been a need for someone to speak in their tongue and it be interpeted for the church. 1 Corinthians 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. No my friend. We still see through a glass darkly until we see Him face to face. 1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. God bless |
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594 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92319 | ||
... Paul says there should no no speaking in tongues, unless there is interpretation, the speaker should be silent (14:28) Yes, in the service except one can speak between himself and God 1 Corinthians 14:28 28 but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. ... and tongues is still a less gift when it is interpreted. Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying. I would have to review English grammer but I believe you are incorrect here. The 'Unless' goes with the greater ie 'greater...unless'. Purhaps Tim is around and he can shed some light on this. This would actually make perfect sense in light of the rest of the chapter. Paul is stating that prophesy is greater than tongues due to the fact that tongues can't be understood, but with an interpreter they can be understood. But unless someone can toss in the English grammer rule here, we are at an impass... "You said ... "According to the above verses (14:22-24) there is no indication that Paul is speaking af varying languages. He says when the unlearned or unbelievers come in what will they think? ... It is when all speak tongues, the unlearned, or unbelievers will think you are mad." 1 Corinthians 14:21 In the Law it is written, "BY MEN OF STRANGE TONGUES AND BY THE LIPS OF STRANGERS I WILL SPEAK TO THIS PEOPLE, AND EVEN SO THEY WILL NOT LISTEN TO ME," says the Lord. Unless one were taught that this is refering to foreign known languages for foreigners within a congregation, one would not get this message. But that is what you believe, so be it. Therefore the gift of interpretation is the same as translation, without knowing the language. Interpretation requires both to be languages, with parts of speech, etc. I see the subtle difference, but you do not...so be it. God bless |
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595 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92325 | ||
Not exactly Searcher, That was your statement, ""The context is discipline ... tho I have seen others say it is prayer, service and other things. That would mean He would not be present unless (only) two or three were there ... He would not be there if it was just you ... or more than three." This text is dealing with both discipline AND prayer. The scripture actually says, 18 "Truly I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven. 19 "Again I say to you, that if two of you AGREE on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." You said, "That would mean He would not be present unless (only) two or three were there ... He would not be there if it was just you ... or more than three." No, when scripture is rightly divided we know He promised to never leave or forsake us and that the Holy Spirit would abide in us. So what did He mean? I believe the answer can be found in the following verses.. Ecclesiastes 4:11 Again, if two lie together, then they have heat: but how can one be warm alone? 12 And if one prevail against him, two shall withstand him; and a threefold cord is not quickly broken. When two or more agree in prayer, their prayer is much more powerful..why? because they stand together and are less likely to fall prey to the lies of the adversary. God bless |
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596 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92336 | ||
"That is the context, you keep on leaving out verses 15-17." No, I have stated that these verses are dealing with discipline. You said... "Moreover, you still have not shown me where "prayer" is in the context of this passage ... do not cite man ... cite only Scripture." When did I 'cite' man? I did cite scripture, but you can not hear. The notes were my understanding of the scriptures which IS part of a Bible study is it not? You have done so quite frequently and so far you have not given scripture for some of YOUR conclusions. Such as Paul using the foreign languages on his many missionary journeys...This is assumption based on your conclusions, not scriptural fact. Where do I find 'prayer' in this text? Any two agree on earth about anything they may ASK. Asking is praying,asking who? The prayers are directed to God because He is the one who responds. This is prayer. 19 "Again I say to you, that if two of you AGREE on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20 "For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst." Also, if you will notice apparently the NASB translaters agree because their 'header for this text is Discipline and Prayer. As for the remainder of the chapter it deals with forgiveness. "I believe there is at least one OT cross reference (Deu 19:15-17)." Yes, this is applicable to verses 15-17. God bless |
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597 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92339 | ||
Searcher , what is the word we use to describe communication with God? Prayer? What is 'asking God? Prayer... God bless |
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598 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92353 | ||
Prayer is supplication, petition,confession, praise, communication with God. All asking of God is prayer. God bless |
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599 | josiebible, where does it say we can ask | Romans | gracefull | 92411 | ||
Thanks Berean... God bless |
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600 | How does any Homosexual believe they are | Rom 1:19 | gracefull | 91571 | ||
"Do any of you so willing to cast stones actually have any ground to stand on." Let's look at this lesson Jesus taught and see if the lesson fits here.. John 8:5-11 5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou? 6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. 7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. 8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. 9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. 10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee? 11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. 1. What does it mean to 'cast stones' as is depicted here? It means to CONDEMN TO DEATH or to punish the offender. 2. Did Jesus compromise the fact that adultery is a sin? No, He stated "Go and sin no more." As believers we are obligated to search out the truth about what is sin and what is not sin scripturally, and to WARN the world.This is not judging. Judging is to assess someone's relationship with the Lord based on their eternal actions which can be deceptive either way, good or bad. The Gosepel is the good news that Jesus paid for the sins of mankind The Gospel is not the good news that God ignores sin and no longer holds one accountable for their sin. This scripture is very much misquoted, most of the time in defense of sin. The Pharasees did not bring the woman to Jesus and say, "This woman was caught in the act of adultery. Do you agree that adultery is a sin?" No, they said, that this woman was caught and should be stoned...what say ye? Jesus did not come to comdemn the world to hell but rather to offer the world already condemned a way out! When believers tell others that something is sin, they are not 'stoning' them, but rather warning them. If sinners do not hear that all are sinners in need of a saviour, they will not know they need to turn much less that there is somewhere to turn. Now here lies the difference. There is a very active move in the homosexual community to call evil good and try to force everyone else through legal and any other means they can use to agree with that call. Practicing homosexals want to be told their sin is not sin. They wnat to convince others that their sin is not sin. Let's look at this from another perspective. Let's say a pastor stands before his congregation and says, "I am married and I am having sexual relations with another 'Christian' woman. This is not sin and you can't cast stones at me. I will continue as your pastor because I am not committing a sin, therefore you have to accept me. Also, you all must remember that God is a God of love and understands my needs." Or maybe he is a thief..and he stands and tells his congregation that he has been taking money from the treasury without anyone knowing, and now he has decided to tell them because he does not believe it is a sin because he needed the money and they did not pay him enough. And he intends to continue to take whatever he feels he needs and they have no right to cast any stones so he intends to continue stealing and remain their pastor.. How would you respond? This pastor is embracing his sin not acknowledging it, not allowing conviction in his heart, and not repenting. He is calling evil good and asking his congregation to agree with him by remaining silent. This is the message from the homosexual community. We are not sinning, and even if we are you have no right to say so. We can't be silent concerning sin, and not so much for the sinner, but for the young ones coming up who do not know..if we are silent, they will not know the TRUTH of the scriptures concerning this and all other sins. Now a repentant man or woman is just as forgiven as you or me, and is just as responsible to allow the Holy Spirit to transform them into the image of Christ as we are. But when someone does not want to repent, scripture tells us to not associate with them as brothers until they repent. God bless |
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