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41 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 74314 | ||
Background Information: · The Book of Hebrews was written specifically to Jews by a Jew. · It was written to Jews whom had an intimate understanding of the “Old Testament” and the sacrificial system. · It is an exhaltation for the Messianic Jews not to abandon their belief in Messiah due to persecution, as Judaism was the only sanctioned religion. · It was not written to/for Gentiles. · Without a detailed understanding of the Torah and the ceremonial rites Gentiles will misinterpret this book. · There is little doubt this book was written in Hebrew first and then translated into Greek. In answering your question regarding Hebrews 8:6 it will be clearer if we look at Hebrews 7:11 first. Hebrews 7:11 “If (3303) * (1487) * therefore (3767) perfection (5050) were (2258) by (1223) the Levitical (3020) priesthood, (2420) * (1063) (for under (1909) it (846) the people (2992) RECEIVED THE LAW (3549),) what (5101) further (2089) need (5532) was there that another (2087) priest (2409) should rise (450) after (2596) the order (5010) of Melchisedec, (3198) and (2532) not (3756) be called (3004) after (2596) the order (5010) of Aaron? (2)“ Strong’s word 3549 “Nomotheteo” means to enact laws 1.) Laws are enacted or prescribed for one, to be legislated for, furnished with laws 2.) To sanction by law, enact. “Nomotheteo” is a compound word comprised of “nomos” and “tithemi”. “Nomos” is usually translated as “law” and clearly within the context of the book of Hebrews is referring to Torah. “Tithemi” means “lay, put, place, make”. Combining the two means to make law, enact, establish as law. The phrase “received the law” could have more properly been translated as “received Torah” or “enacted Torah”. THE ONLY OTHER PLACE IN THE BIBLE WHERE THIS PARTICULAR VERB (NOMOTHETEO) IS USED IS IN HEBREWS 8:6. Hebrews 8:6 “But (1161) now (3570) hath he obtained (5177) a more excellent (1313) ministry, (3009) by how much (3745) also (2532) he is (2076) the mediator (3316) of a better (2909) covenant, (1242) which (3748) WAS ESTABLISHED (3549) upon (1909) better (2909) promises. (1860)” To be consistent the verse should be rendered as: Hebrews 8:6 “But (1161) now (3570) hath he obtained (5177) a more excellent (1313) ministry, (3009) by how much (3745) also (2532) he is (2076) the mediator (3316) of a better (2909) covenant, (1242) which (3748) HAS BEEN ENACTED AS TORAH (3549) upon (1909) better (2909) promises. (1860)” Hebrews 8:8 “For finding fault with THEM, He saith” YHWH does not change (Malachi 3:6). The problem was with Israel’s disobedience, not with YHWH’s Word/Torah. Psalms 95:10/Hebrews 3:10 “They do alway ERR in THEIR HEART; and they have NOT KNOWN MY WAYS (Torah).” To rectify the problem YHWH “renews” the covenant by placing Torah into our hearts. Hebrews 8:10 “…I will put my laws (Torah) into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:” THE NEW TESTAMENT IS THE RENEWED COVENANT: Not done away with but renewed by placing Torah in our hearts and mind; By substituting the Blood of Yeshua for animal sacrifice. 1 John 1:9 ” If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us (through the Blood) from all unrighteousness.” The writer continues, Hebrews 8:13 “In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.” Now remember to who and when this letter is written. It was written to Jews who were STILL USING ANIMALS for their sin offerings and the daily sacrifice. The letter was written prior to 70AD---the TEMPLE WAS STILL INTACT, it had not yet “vanished away”. YHWH in His foreknowledge knew the Temple would be destroyed and He is instituting a “renewed” sacrificial system. This is what happens when theologians make commentaries from an egocentric perspective---wrong, broad conclusions. How many years have pastors been errantly misinterpreting these verses “to their own destruction”? The Bible says, “satan deceives the whole world”, he does by mixing truth with error just as when he was in the Garden. One way is to take a Hebrew book written to Hebrews and mistranslate it with a Gentile spin and bury that evidence (the original Hebrew) probably in the Vatican. Remember our primary translators had 1500 years of anti-Hebraic conditioning prior to King James and the modern translations are by extension a furthering of the same wrong theology. On the contrary, the Law and the Old Covenant are still in effect and the New Testament consistently testifies to that truth once the Word is rightly divided. More to come, Greg Boone |
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42 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 74315 | ||
Tim, I am re-posting this as the spacing makes it hard to read. Background Information: ·The Book of Hebrews was written specifically to Jews by a Jew. ·It was written to Jews whom had an intimate understanding of the “Old Testament” and the sacrificial system. ·It is an exhaltation for the Messianic Jews not to abandon their belief in Messiah due to persecution, as Judaism was the only sanctioned religion. ·It was not written to/for Gentiles. ·Without a detailed understanding of the Torah and the ceremonial rites Gentiles will misinterpret this book. ·There is little doubt this book was written in Hebrew first and then translated into Greek. In answering your question regarding Hebrews 8:6 it will be clearer if we look at Hebrews 7:11 first. Hebrews 7:11 “If (3303) * (1487) * therefore (3767) perfection (5050) were (2258) by (1223) the Levitical (3020) priesthood, (2420) * (1063) (for under (1909) it (846) the people (2992) RECEIVED THE LAW (3549),) what (5101) further (2089) need (5532) was there that another (2087) priest (2409) should rise (450) after (2596) the order (5010) of Melchisedec, (3198) and (2532) not (3756) be called (3004) after (2596) the order (5010) of Aaron? (2)“ Strong’s word 3549 “Nomotheteo” means to enact laws 1.) Laws are enacted or prescribed for one, to be legislated for, furnished with laws 2.) To sanction by law, enact. “Nomotheteo” is a compound word comprised of “nomos” and “tithemi”. “Nomos” is usually translated as “law” and clearly within the context of the book of Hebrews is referring to Torah. “Tithemi” means “lay, put, place, make”. Combining the two means to make law, enact, establish as law. The phrase “received the law” could have more properly been translated as “received Torah” or “enacted Torah”. THE ONLY OTHER PLACE IN THE BIBLE WHERE THIS PARTICULAR VERB (NOMOTHETEO) IS USED IS IN HEBREWS 8:6. Hebrews 8:6 “But (1161) now (3570) hath he obtained (5177) a more excellent (1313) ministry, (3009) by how much (3745) also (2532) he is (2076) the mediator (3316) of a better (2909) covenant, (1242) which (3748) WAS ESTABLISHED (3549) upon (1909) better (2909) promises. (1860)” To be consistent the verse should be rendered as: Hebrews 8:6 “But (1161) now (3570) hath he obtained (5177) a more excellent (1313) ministry, (3009) by how much (3745) also (2532) he is (2076) the mediator (3316) of a better (2909) covenant, (1242) which (3748) HAS BEEN ENACTED AS TORAH (3549) upon (1909) better (2909) promises. (1860)” Hebrews 8:8 “For finding fault with THEM, He saith” YHWH does not change (Malachi 3:6). The problem was with Israel’s disobedience, not with YHWH’s Word/Torah. Psalms 95:10/Hebrews 3:10 “They do alway ERR in THEIR HEART; and they have NOT KNOWN MY WAYS (Torah).” To rectify the problem YHWH “renews” the covenant by placing Torah into our hearts. Hebrews 8:10 “…I will put my laws (Torah) into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:” THE NEW TESTAMENT IS THE RENEWED COVENANT: Not done away with but renewed by placing Torah in our hearts and mind; By substituting the Blood of Yeshua for animal sacrifice. 1 John 1:9 ” If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us (through the Blood) from all unrighteousness.” The writer continues, Hebrews 8:13 “In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.” Now remember to who and when this letter is written. It was written to Jews who were STILL USING ANIMALS for their sin offerings and the daily sacrifice. The letter was written prior to 70AD---the TEMPLE WAS STILL INTACT, it had not yet “vanished away”. YHWH in His foreknowledge knew the Temple would be destroyed and He is instituting a “renewed” sacrificial system. This is what happens when theologians make commentaries from an egocentric perspective---wrong, broad conclusions. How many years have pastors been errantly misinterpreting these verses “to their own destruction”? The Bible says, “satan deceives the whole world”, he does by mixing truth with error just as when he was in the Garden. One way is to take a Hebrew book written to Hebrews and mistranslate it with a Gentile spin and bury that evidence (the original Hebrew) probably in the Vatican. Remember our primary translators had 1500 years of anti-Hebraic conditioning prior to King James and the modern translations are by extension a furthering of the same wrong theology. On the contrary, the Law and the Old Covenant are still in effect and the New Testament consistently testifies to that truth once the Word is rightly divided. More to come, Greg Boone |
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43 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 74334 | ||
John, I agree it is a good article and it may be true. But our only alternative is to walk in the light that we are given. The light that I have been shown says that we have been misled in our theology; prophecy predicts it and scripture is full of examples. If we operate from the premise that YHWH is all-knowing and all-powerful, by His foreknowledge we could say He causes things to happen by not acting. From what I understand that is the Hebrew mindset. So when the Bible states YHWH did some action it may just be passive. Take the events with Pharaoh. Did YHWH actually harden His heart or by not intervening did Pharaoh’s pride hardened his own heart? “…and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy (Exodus 33:19). Could this be election? YHWH knows that you have a questioning mind and makes Revelation 3:4 ‘catch your eye’ as you are reading. You take the initiative and pursue it and become curious which leads to other discoveries. Whereas the majority of people may erect a mental block and rationalize the verse away or seek some convoluted explanation. Have not both classes of people made an election? YHWH in His foreknowledge knows whom has closed his heart. “For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes THEY HAVE CLOSED; (Matthew 13:15). YHWH will not be mocked (Galatians 6:8), one way to do that is to bury revelation in scripture and only reveal it when one sincerely seeks Him. Matthew 7:7 "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:” Proverbs 25:2 “It is the glory of God to CONCEAL a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.” I would encourage you to read all of Proverbs 2, especially 2:4. It basically says, revelation is directly proportional to desire and effort. The pride of most has closed their minds. They seem to think that only the Pharisees can be blinded by tradition. We must realize that our Savior walked this earth as a Jewish rabbi, kept all the festivals, memorized the scriptures and did not break any commandments of Torah. Why did He do this? “…I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me”(John 5:30). “wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?” (Luke 2:49). The Father’s Will has not changed, it cannot (Malachi 3:6). We have been given a “renewed” covenant whereby Torah is written in our hearts and the Blood of Yeshua is our covering sacrifice but it is still Torah. In truth, Greg Boone |
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44 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 74763 | ||
Tim, That is not entirely true. Acts 21:18 "And the day following Paul went in with us unto James; and all the elders were present. 19 And when he had saluted them, he declared particularly what things God had wrought among the Gentiles by his ministry. 20 And when they heard it, they glorified the Lord, and said unto him, Thou seest, brother, how many THOUSANDS OF JEWS there are which believe; and they are ALL ZEALOUS of the LAW:" How does a Gentile become known as "a worshipper of God"? It can't be defined apart from keeping Torah. Paul was not preaching to Gentiles "off the street" but those that had joined the community, those who were learning Torah. Greg Boone |
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45 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 74766 | ||
CDBJ, I realize we are not able to keep Torah perfectly. That is why there is 1 John 1:9. Think of it this way. You are raising a child to be a productive part of society. Your child has difficulty with math. You understand your child's problem and continue to work with him/her. Your child begins listening to other students who say "you will never understand math, you might as well give up, it's hopeless". Your child is aware of the goal that has been set by the state but is content to cease from striving because he/she thinks its hopeless. How sympathetic are you to a child who will not try? One who has given up ahead of time? Revelation 2:23"...I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works." Keeping Torah is a heart issue. If it is your true will to keep Torah/law, you will find mercy. Yeshua did not die in humiliation and anguish for us to disregard everything that the Father holds sacred. How can you spend eternity in His presence if sin cannot abide in His presence. Sin is breaking Torah/law (1John 3:4). Christians have a theology that has 'given up' and therefore condemns without even trying. Luke 13:24 "Strive to enter in at the strait GATE: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. " Revealtion 22:14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the GATES into the city." "Striving" is doing the commandments not just believing. Greg Boone |
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46 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 74887 | ||
Dear John, Yes, Yeshua (Jesus) has fulfilled PART of the law but not ALL of it. That is why He paused in Luke 4:18 and sat down. There is no conflict here. The law will not pass away until ALL is fulfilled. We are part way there. I realize what I am stating is in contradiction with what has been taught for centuries. This is precisely the point. We have been deceived. Our current leaders are deceived. Look at all the warnings in the Bible to the "church": Acts 26:30 "26 …I am pure from the blood of all men. 27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. (AS A WATCHMAN-EZEKIEL 33:4-YOU ARE NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR YOURSELVES) 28 TAKE HEED therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departing shall GRIEVOUS WOLVES (FALSE TEACHERS-NO TORAH) enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of YOUR OWN SELVES (THIS IS PROPHETIC) shall men arise, speaking PERVERSE THINGS (NO TORAH), to draw away disciples after them." Matthew 16:6,12 "6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the LEAVEN of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees (RELIGIOUS LEADERS)...12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the DOCTRINE of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. Matthew 24:4 "4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no MAN DECEIVE YOU.5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ (I AM ANOINTED); and SHALL DECEIVE MANY." Romans 17 "17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the DOCTRINE which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches DECEIVE the hearts of the simple." 2 Timothy 3:13 "But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, DECEIVING, and BEING DECEIVED. 14 BUT CONTINUE thou in the things which thou hast learned…;15 And that from a child thou hast known the HOLY SCRIPTURES (TORAH), which are able to make thee wise UNTO SALVATION through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (HOW TO LIVE RIGHTEOUSLY): From what I see there are a lot of scriptures which state that we will be judged by our “works”. However, there are also a lot of scriptures that talk about having our “sins blotted out”. One key may be to continually confess our sins and be “cleansed from all unrighteousness” (1John 1:9). At any rate, it is apparent to me that there is some action required on our part. Revelation 3:5 “He that OVERCOMETH (ACTION WORD), the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.” Maybe it means he that overcomes sin. Ecclesiastes 12-13 “Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.14 For God shall BRING EVERY WORK INTO JUDGMENT, with every secret thing, whether it be GOOD, or whether it be EVIL.” Galatians 6:7-8 Be not deceived; God IS NOT MOCKED: for WHATSOEVER a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. Proverbs 24:12 “If thou sayest, Behold, we knew it not; doth not he that pondereth the heart consider it? and he that keepeth thy soul, doth not he know it? and shall not he render to every man according to his works?” Exodus 32:33 “And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.” Revelation 2 :23 “And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works. If we were under some new “grace system” Galatians 6:7 would not be true and would contradict these scriptures as well (Jer 25:14, Matt 16:27, 2Cor 5:10, 11:15, Rev 14:13, 18:6, 20:12-13, I Sam 8:8, Ps 28:4, 33:15, Eze 9:10, Rom 2:6, Isa 59:18). The OT and the NT complement each other, in that, what is prophesied in the first is fulfilled in the second and one can not accurately interpret the second without a intimate knowledge of the first. The only way the Bible remains a coherent work is to realize that God did not change His mind about His commandments, which existed before the foundation of the world (John 1:1, Proverbs 8:22-36). I realize this may be a lot to get used to. It took YHWH 3 years to lead me out. I only wish someone would have told me as clearly 3 years ago and I would be that much further along. Shalom, Greg Boone |
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47 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 74975 | ||
John, Matthew 5:19 “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called GREAT in the kingdom of heaven.” Yeshua is plainly stating that the way to be GREAT in the kingdom is to "do and teach" the commandments. How could He make it clearer? Here is another clear statement: Matthew 5:20 “For (1063) I say (3004) unto you, (5213) That (3754) except (3362) your (5216) righteousness (1343) shall exceed (4052) * (4119) the righteousness of the scribes (1122) and (2532) Pharisees, (5330) ye shall in no case (3364) enter (1525) into (1519) the kingdom (932) of heaven. (3772) “ The numbers in parenthesis are Strong’s reference numbers. Notice after the word “exceed” there is “(4052) * (4119)”. 4052 means to “exceed a fixed number of measure”. The * is the un-translated word “pleion” (4119) which means “greater in quality, superior, more excellent”. Thus Yeshua is calling us not only to meet the physical requirements (4052) but also to the higher spiritual aspects (4119). If we continue through the sermon on the mount, the higher standard is further brought out. Matthew 5:21 “Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not KILL (PHYSICAL); and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:22But I say unto you, That whosoever is ANGRY (SPIRITUAL) with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: Matthew 5:27 ”Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery(PHYSICAL):28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust (SPIRITUAL) after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. This is consistent with scripture. Luke 12:48 “…For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required…” We have been given much through the Blood Atonement but we are also held to not only the physical “law” but the spiritual Torah as well. Shalom, Greg Boone |
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48 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75038 | ||
Emmaus, I also have a recommendation. I just recently discovered these lectures. Although I do not agree completely with everything he states, his background research provides a necessary light for trully understanding Paul's writings. http://www.christianpreaching.com/rondart/dartepistles.htm Shalom, Greg Boone |
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49 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75046 | ||
Taleb, “The Old Testament says they must. The New says it’s up to them. Whoops.” So the OT is valid when it fits your theology but “passed away” when it doesn’t? Malachi 3:6 “For I am the LORD, I CHANGE NOT; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.” VALID OR PASSED AWAY? Numbers 23:19 “God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?” MAYBE HE CHANGED HIS MIND? Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.” EXCEPT WHEN IT COMES TO THE OLD TESTAMENT? Isaiah 8:20 “To the law and to the testimony: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, it is because there is NO LIGHT in them.” THIS IS WHY YESHUA AND PAUL, PETER, ETC. CONSTANTLY MAKE REFERENCE TO THE OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES!!! WHICH OT SCRIPTURES PROPHESY YHWH CHANGING HIS MIND OR REPEALING HIS TORAH? NONE, if you believe He did it is because there is "no light" in you---those are not my words. No wonder there are 22,000 denominations, every “church” is picking and choosing what makes sense to them. That’s called “leaning on your own understanding” (Proverbs 3:5) or “walking in the imagination of your own heart” (Jeremiah 16:12). Which is exactly what xmas is. Here are some of the verses that tell you not to do as the “heathens” do: Romans 12:2 "And BE NOT CONFORMED TO THIS WORLD: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, WILL OF GOD." Jeremiah 10:2 "Thus saith the LORD, LEARN NOT THE WAY OF THE HEATHEN, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them." Jeremiah 10:3 "For THE CUSTOMS OF THE PEOPLE ARE VAIN: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe." 2 Kings 17:15 "And they rejected HIS statutes, and HIS covenant that he made with their fathers, and HIS testimonies which he testified against them; and THEY FOLLOWED VANITY, and became vain, and went after the heathen that were round about them, concerning whom the LORD had charged them, that THEY SHOULD NOT DO LIKE THEM." 2 Chronicles 36:14 "Moreover all the chief of the priests, and the people, TRANSGRESSED VERY MUCH AFTER ALL THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE HEATHEN; and POLLUTED THE HOUSE OF YHWH which he had hallowed in Jerusalem." Ezekiel 11:12 "And ye shall know that I am the LORD: for ye have not walked in my statutes, neither executed my judgments, but have done after the manners of the heathen that are round about you." Ezekiel 23:30 "I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and Because thou art polluted with their idols." I know, but the church is special, none of this applies to them because they believe just as the demons do, etc... Isaiah 40:7-8 “…surely THE PEOPLE IS GRASS. The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but THE WORD OF YHWH SHALL STAND FOREVER.” In other words, dictionary definitions, meanings, customs, phrases and whatever else man comes up with will change BUT HE DOES NOT. If He hated it 4,000 years ago He hates it now. As Oprah would say “Denial, is not a river in Africa.” Peace, Greg Boone |
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50 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75055 | ||
Yes, Paul is inspired just as the other 39 authors are also inspired. I am not a Judaizer. There is a big difference between what "Jews" practice and what YHWH intended. I recently discovered the following lectures: http://www.christianpreaching.com/rondart/dartepistles.htm Although I do not agree completely with everything he states, his background research provides a necessary light for trully understanding Paul's writings. I encourage you to hear him out beginning with the "Background to Galatians". Greg Boone P.S.- This man refers to himself as "Christian" |
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51 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75064 | ||
Intro Dear Justme, Welcome to the discussion. Thank you for your comments (I think):). Believe me “Love for the Brethren” is what motivates me. Since 1996 Yeshua has change me in a variety of ways. I am not the same selfish person I was. Admittedly, there is still some ego involved when I debate with the forum believers but I am trying to channel that into zeal. Love (for my family) is what brought me to this forum. I have been trying to get them out of Babylon for over a year. I e-mailed them 11 scriptures and ask them to interpret any one of them based on their theology. When they did not/could not respond I decided to send the verses to Christian “Answer-Man” websites. The point was to show that even the theologians would not or could not answer, at least directly. Most did not respond. Anyway, I stumbled across this forum. Some may feel I am not walking in love, but If I were about to walk off of a cliff I certainly would want you to get my attention and not just whisper for fear of offending. Most people have had so much empty rhetoric drummed into their psyche that they believe it. The unadulterated truth is the only way to break-up that ground. Answer to your question to follow Greg Boone |
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52 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75065 | ||
Answer You wrote: “Clearly you do not except what the book of Acts says about Peter and the sheet, and that all living things were now to be eaten.” First I must ask, do you except what the book of Acts prophesies? Acts 26:30 "26 …I am pure from the blood of all men. 27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God. (AS A WATCHMAN-EZEKIEL 33:4-YOU ARE NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR YOURSELVES) 28 TAKE HEED therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I KNOW THIS, that after my departing shall GRIEVOUS WOLVES (FALSE TEACHERS-NO TORAH) enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of YOUR OWN SELVES shall men arise, speaking PERVERSE THINGS (NO TORAH), to draw away disciples after them." Paul whom is filled with the Spirit prophesies that false teachers will join the “church” and that Gentiles (your own selves) will speak “perverse things”. The Gentile church fathers began distancing themselves from the Hebraic roots of the faith because it was politically incorrect to be associated with the Jews after 70 AD. Acts 10:9-28 9”On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:10And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,11And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:12Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.13And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.14But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have NEVER eaten any thing that is common or unclean. Peter is STILL keeping Torah because he will not eat anything COMMON OR UNCLEAN. 15And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. What YHWH has CLEANSED do not consider it COMMON ANY LONGER. The point is the unclean thing (Gentile) has been CLEANSED. 16This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.17Now while Peter doubted in himself WHAT THIS VISION which he had seen SHOULD MEAN, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate, Firstly, this is a vision not a literal event, it’s symbolic. Second, Peter does not know what the SYMBOLIC VISION MEANT (surely he would know if it were to be taken literally). 18And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.19While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.20Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I HAVE SENT THEM. YHWH sent the VISION that calls unclean clean then He sends these Gentile men. 21Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?22And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee. A side point, Cornelius “one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews” could only have this reputation among the Jews if he had joined the community. To “fear God” is to keep His Torah commandments. I believe he was the first recorded Gentile conversion because of the example he set. He obviously walked in Torah. 23Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.24And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.25And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.26But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.27And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.28And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but GOD HATH SHEWED ME (IN THE VISION) that I should not call any man common or unclean. Peter has a vision and YHWH tells not to call what YHWH has CLEANSED as being unclean. Cornelius (a Gentile who keeps Torah) is apparently accepted by the Apostle Peter as CLEAN because it would be “unlawful” (against Torah) for him to keep company with Cornelius. Is this all coincidence? No mention of food at all. If you have ears to hear, this has got to be clear. The myth that has been perpetuated by “grievous wolves” is a manifestation of what Paul prophesied. Shalom, Greg Boone |
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53 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75093 | ||
Steve, What is Paul saying here prior to leaving the Gentile church to go to Jerusalem? Acts 20:28 "TAKE HEED therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I KNOW THIS, that after my departing shall GRIEVOUS WOLVES enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of YOUR OWN SELVES (Gentiles) shall men arise, speaking PERVERSE THINGS, to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I CEASED NOT TO WARN every one night and day with tears. It sounds like Paul is warning the Gentile church that they will be infiltrated by false teachers telling them "perverse things" like "the law has passed away" or "once saved always saved". "Perverse things" is Strong's 1294 which means "to turn aside from the right path, to pervert, corrupt." Do you find anything heretical about this statement? I believe Paul foresaw the heresy that has come upon the "church" prophetically when he spoke in Acts 20:28 and it brought him to tears. He sees this so clearly that in verses 26-27 he absolves himself from what is going to happen. Acts 20:26 "Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I AM PURE FROM THE BLOOD OF ALL MEN. 27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you ALL THE COUNSEL OF GOD. Hmmm, I wonder what "all the counsel of God" was then since the "law" had already passed away. Maybe he preached on grace for 3 years. Greg Boone |
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54 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75095 | ||
Tim, What is YHWH writing on our hearts and minds in the New Covenant? Keeping it simple, Greg Boone |
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55 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75099 | ||
John, Knowing what you know about YHWH, do you think that He would change what is defined as "Truth" to accomodate man? Genesis 15:6 "And he BELIEVED in the LORD; and he counted it to him for RIGHTEOUSNESS." Romans 10:10 "For with the heart man BELIEVETH unto RIGHTEOUSNESS; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. It is the same across covenants. Nothing has changed. This is Torah: Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. 6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: Leviticus 19 :18"...thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD. " This is Torah: Matthew 22:37 "Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang (SUM UP) all the law and the prophets. YHWH is very specific on how we are to Love Him and it has not changed. It is written in the law and the prophets. It's the same from Genesis to Revelation. Greg Boone |
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56 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75448 | ||
CDBJ, I can sense some defensiveness in your response, that is what the truth does, it off-ends. Matthew 15:12 "Then came his disciples, and said unto him (Yeshua), Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?" Amazing, your striving days are over but Paul's were just beginning: Phillipians 3:11 "If by any means I might ATTAIN unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though I had ALREADY attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus." Phillipians 2:12 "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, WORK OUT your OWN SALVATION with FEAR AND TREMBLING." Maybe Paul should have read Hebrews 4:10 (out of context). Bearing in mind, Revelation is the last written instructions from Messiah. What is an "overcomer" in the setting of Revelation Chapters 2-3? It has to be more than someone that merely believes. In Revelation 18 there is an impassioned plea "come out of her, my people". Who or where are God's people right now? He is calling the "Bride" out of pagan-based, antinomian Babylon and back to the 1st century faith that Messiah walked in. 1 Corinthians 11:1 "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." For Messiah to be “sinless” He had to keep Torah perfectly. But because we are “believers” now that standard is obsolete??? We are now under the “Grace Welfare System” where we just “rest” in what Messiah has done for us and “pick and choose” which commandments we will keep??! Romans 3:31 “Do we then make void TORAH through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish TORAH.” Again I ask, “How can you spend eternity in His presence if sin cannot abide in His presence?” There were 613 commandments given in the OT. People talk about the bondage of the "law" and they do not realize that the "bondage" was the man-made rules that the Pharisees instituted not what YHWH initially stated. In fact the NT has over 1,100 commandments that are more difficult to keep but I guess those should be by-passed also. http://66.227.33.191/magazine/0205/page04.htm 1 John 2:6-7 “He that saith he abideth in Him ought himself also so to walk, even as HE WALKED. Brethren, I write NO NEW commandment unto you, but an old commandment which ye had from the beginning. The old commandment is the TORAH which ye have heard from the BEGINNING.” 1 John 2:3 “And hereby we do know that we KNOW HIM, IF we KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, IS A LIAR, and the truth is not in him. Matthew 7:23 “And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU (YOU DID NOT KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS): depart from me, ye that work iniquity (Without Torah). Paul foresaw this falling away from the Truth and warned the Gentile assembly with tears. Acts 20:26-31 “Wherefore I take you to record this day, that I am pure from the blood of all men.27 For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God (Torah). 28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. 29 For I KNOW THIS, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking PERVERSE THINGS (Strongs 1294 to turn aside from the right path, to pervert, corrupt) , to draw away disciples after them. 31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.” It cannot get much clearer than that. Revelation 3:18 “… anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.” Greg Boone |
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57 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75463 | ||
John, Before starting a long exegesis a couple of points: Revelation 20:5-6 “But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall REIGN WITH HIM a thousand years.” So we want to be a part of the 1st resurrection because the 2nd resurrection is for those subject to the 2nd death. What happens during the millennium? Isaiah 2:3 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. 3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and HE WILL TEACH US OF HIS WAYS, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law (Torah), and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. The correct way is shown to the remnant House of Israel (Lost Tribes) Ezekiel 43:10 “Thou son of man, shew the house to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities: and let them measure the pattern. 11 And if they be ashamed of all that they have done, shew them the form of the house, and the fashion thereof, and the goings out thereof, and the comings in thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and all the forms thereof, and all the laws thereof: and write it in their sight, that they may keep the whole form thereof, and all the ordinances thereof, and do them.” “The whole was made “obsolete.” The whole disappeared with the destruction of the temple, the altar, and the priesthood under Titus Vespasian in a.d. 70.” Has he really done his homework? Ezekiel 45:17 “And it shall be the prince's part to give BURNT OFFERINGS, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the FEASTS, and in the NEW MOONS, and in the SABBATHS, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the SIN OFFERING, and the meat offering, and the burnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel." Somebody is missing something somewhere. Those who are alive now are the saints that “keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” (Revelation 14:12). Why are there feasts, Sabbaths, sin offerings etc. during the millennium. Zechariah 14:16,19 “And it shall come to pass (during the millennium after the tribulation), that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to KEEP THE FEAST OF TABERNACLES. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and THE PUNISHMENTof all nations that COME NOT UP to keep the feast of tabernacles.” Jeremiah 3:17 "At that(during the millennium) time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the IMAGINATION OF THEIR EVIL HEART." No more “lawlessness”. Romans 10:4 “For Christ is the end (Strongs 5056, telos) of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.” “Telos” is from a primary “tello” (to set out for a definite point or goal). The idea is that Messiah is the goal/aim of the law, not the abolishment of it. More to come, Greg Boone PS- I find that most people have never actually seen the 613 commandments that have been “done away with” before deciding that they are a burden. You will see them categorized in sections such as Property Rights, Business Practices, Family, Criminal Law, etc. Everyone says, “What would Jesus do?” This is exactly what He did: http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm |
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58 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75822 | ||
Indy, I accept your apology but there is no need, I am not offended. I can see how one could arrive at that conclusion. “I was reading Romans 7 and 8 this morning and I simply cannot fathom why you believe as you do.” Why I believe what I believe: I started out as a Protestant Christian in 1996 with no religious background. Having no foundation, I received everything that was taught without question. As I read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation (one chapter at a time) I started to have questions. The pre-tribulation rapture was one thing I had trouble with. It did not make sense that YHWH was going to rapture the modern church (a body of self-willed, self-indulgent, adulterous, idolatrous, hypocritical, fleshly believers) to spend eternity in heaven doing whatever they want while 50,000,000 Christians over the centuries have been martyred in excruciatingly painful ways designed to make them deny Jesus Christ. I concluded that the rapture was an 19th century myth which confuses the 1st resurrection of Revelation 20:6, 1Thessalonians 4:17, I Corinthians 15 and Philippians 3:11 with some type of "get out of jail free card". Then the question became if mainstream Christianity is wrong about the rapture what else are they feeding me that may be wrong? The Bible is full of warnings about being deceived. So then it was a matter of finding out how far back do the deceptions go. I discovered Christmas was the pagan festival of Saturnalia dressed up as Christ’s birth, easter is the name of a reincarnated Babylonian fertility god, the Sunday Sabbath was a papal edict with no scriptural authority, etc. So I have to go past 325 AD to find out what the "called-out assembly" was really doing. The problem is that most of what is taught is based on the early church fathers who were anti-Semitic due to the political climate of Rome after the Temple destruction in 70AD. Since then anything Hebraic has been systematically divorced from mainstream Christianity. I have found that you cannot get to the truth about the 1st century church through Christain sources because everyone is so influenced by the anti-Semitic “church fathers.” Paul was warning the Thessalonians in 50AD about the "mystery of iniquity" that is already at work. The “mystery of iniquity” was faith outside of Torah. If you isolate Paul's "teachings" and receive what the rest of the Bible teaches it is clear that YHWH has not changed. The key is that we have to understand the who, what and why of Paul's letters. They are dealing with very specific issues. Paul was writing to former pagans with no roots in Torah. I have so much to say I am not sure where to start. Initially, “Christianity” was known as one of the many sects of Judaism. Judaism was based on OT scriptures before it was corrupted. Why would the foundational text of everything that we believe become obsolete? Without the scriptural authority of the OT there is no basis for the Promised Redeemer. Acts 24:5-6 “For we have found this man (Paul) a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a RINGLEADER OF THE SECT OF THE NAZARENES: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law.” The Nazarenes are Jews that believed Yeshua was the Messiah. Epiphanius an early church member has this to say about them: "We shall now especially consider HERETICS who call themselves NAZARENES; they are MAINLY JEWS and nothing else. They make use not only of the New Testament, but they also use in a way the Old Testament of the Jews. For THEY DO NOT FORBID the books of the Law, the Prophets and the Writings...so that they are approved of by the Jews, FROM WHOM THE NAZARENES do not differ in anything, and they do profess all the dogmas pertaining to the prescriptions of the Law and the customs of the Jews, EXCEPT THEY BELIEVE IN MESSIAH. They preach that there is but One God and His Son Yahshua." According to the Bible, Paul is the ringleader of this sect of Nazarenes. “In fact, the religio licita, or "legal religion," sanction granted by imperial Rome to the Jews, permitted the apostles and their followers to freely engage in evangelistic activity throughout the Roman empire for many years.” To understand how we got where we are today and why Christians are misinterpreting Paul we need to understand the anti-Semitic roots of Christianity. It is amazing, I have so much to say it is hard to get organized. While I try to answer your question concisely, please see the article on this link. It is a easy-reading 2 part article. http://www.messianicstudies.org/mag_70_art40.html Shalom, Greg Boone |
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59 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75826 | ||
Justme, If I understand the Christian faith correctly it is an honor or at least your duty to lead a brother who has gone astray to repentance. If I am blind, please help me to see. Tell me where I have contradicted or misunderstood any verse of scripture. "Love thy neighbor as thy self", do not just walk away. The following is a link listing the 613 commandments contained in the law of Moses. http://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm Please skim through them and let me know which ones you consider to be a burden. I believe once you see them in their entirety you will agree with Yeshua that "His yoke is easy and His burden is light." Shalom, Greg Boone |
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60 | What is iniquity in Matthew 7:23? | Matt 7:23 | gjboone | 75830 | ||
Justme, Ask yourself these questions. Did Yeshua keep Torah? Did Paul keep Torah? Did Peter keep Torah? Did the other apostles keep Torah? Did the Centurion keep Torah? Did the Ethiopian keep Torah? Did Gentile converts keep Torah? YES I Corinthians 5:7-8 7 “Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: 8 Therefore let us KEEP THE FEAST, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.” Why is Paul telling Gentile converts to keep the Passover Feast? Are not the feasts done away with for Christians? I Corinthians 10:16 “The CUP OF BLESSING which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ?” The "cup of blessing" is a toast in the Passover Seder meal. Corinth was a prosperous, immoral and pagan city whose Christian church was dominated by Gentile converts. How and why do these Gentile converts know about the Passover celebration if they are not to keep the feasts? The obvious answer is that as Paul stated in Acts 15:21; the Gentiles will adopt the rest of “the faith” as Moses is preached in all the synagogues every Sabbath (Saturday). Is not it strange that over the past 2,000 years this contradiction has not been address by the church. Anyone who is willing to risk their eternal future on Christian theology should be able to explain all of these verses. Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. Heb 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him; Matt 5:17 THINK NOT that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you ACCORDING TO YOUR WORKS. Matt 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. Matt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Ecclesiastes 12:13 "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." I believe I can explain all of these but not through "Christian theology". Fare Well, Greg Boone |
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