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21 | Please answer the question directly. | John 3:5 | arrow1 | 113344 | ||
The early church fathers are infinitely more qualified to interpret scripture. They read and spoke in the original languages, and were taught by the apostles or taught by someone who knew the apostles or taught by people who were only one generation from the early church. | ||||||
22 | Hank, all I need is just one quote. | John 3:5 | arrow1 | 113397 | ||
Sorry Hank if I offended anyone by saying g**h. If we are saved by "faith alone'" is it safe to say repentence is not necessary. I noticed in Ephesians 2:8 repentance is not there, oh well, the phrase faith alone isn't there either. Sorry, that may have been a little harsh. Anyhow, back to my question, surely there was just one person during the first 400 years that said the sinners prayer. Please if I could have that one quote. | ||||||
23 | Hank, all I need is just one quote. | John 3:5 | arrow1 | 113400 | ||
You are wrong about the quote to the jailer. Read verse 32 - He spoke "the word of the Lord" to him and his household. That was the complete message of the Gospel, not simply to believe. And that is why he was baptized immediately, because he was told to, it was part of the message(Peter's sermon). Notice it was after his baptism that he was filled with joy, because they had come to believe, he and his whole house. As to Eph. 2:8, compare it to Gal. 5:26-27. Saved by Grace through Faith at Baptism. Baptism is God's work not man's. Baptism is no more a work than is belief or repentance. It is simply our response to the Gospel, our pledge of a good concience. And like faith and repentance it is a requirement. |
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24 | Hank, all I need is just one quote. | John 3:5 | arrow1 | 113437 | ||
My apology, first of all, I didn't mean you misquoted the passage, simply that in quoting verse 31 and leaving out verse 32, you leave out a considerable amount of what the jailer was told. As to Galatians, my BIG mistake, I meant chapter 3 verse 26-27, not 5:27, you're right it doesn't exist. Anyhow, now that I cleared that up, when the jailer asked what he must do, to simply say believe, well that's not the same thing as saying you are saved by grace thru faith alone, and obviously, verse 32 infers alot was added to that including the instruction to be baptized, otherwise how would he have known to do it. |
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25 | connection: baptism and holy spirit | Acts | arrow1 | 113515 | ||
Acts 1:5 The "Apostles" are told that "they" will be baptized with the HS. They are already saved and have the indwelling of the Spirit(John 20:22) Now comes Pentecost and they are filled with the Spirit and begin speaking in tongues. This gets everyones attention and fullfills Joel's prophecy and helps to usher in the new church with power. Then we have Peter's sermon. He tells them to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins. Period,end of sentence, new thought, and they will receive the HS. Now go to the many stories of specific people being converted. They were told the Gospel Message and they all had the exact same identical response to it, they were Baptized for the forgiveness of sins(note Matthew 26:28). Carefully examine what they were told and what was their response. Better yet, examine their response 1st, now go back and think what they must have been told to have that response, well they were all told Peter's sermon(repent and be baptized), obviously. In some cases Apostles would lay hands on people and give them the ability to Speak in Tongues(more spiritual gifts), but this was after they were saved 1st. |
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26 | Acts 2:38, why people delay baptism | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113353 | ||
I recently read the Purpose Driven Life. In it he states there are "no" delayed baptisms in the Bible. If there are "none" in the Bible, why are there "any" today. In fact being baptized is commonly put off months if not years in most churches. If you substitute Peter's sermon in all of the conversion stories(spoke the word of Lord to him, began with that passage of scripture and told about Jesus, opened her heart to respond to Paul's message, he told the people to beleive in the one coming after him that is Jesus, etc. I think they all responded to the message by being baptized immediately because "that was the message" they all heard. When sharing our faith today, no one ever hears Peter's sermon. Insted they hear "pray jesus into your heart", or accept Christ as their personal saviour so that is all they do. Different sermon evokes a different response. Doesn't it make sense that everyone would have the same response to the Gospel message that the people in Acts did if they all heard the same message today as well! | ||||||
27 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113455 | ||
Saul was instructed by the Lord to go to straight street where a man named Ananias would tell him "what he must do". Yes, saul spent 3 days and 3 nights fasting and praying. Then he met Annanias who put his hands on him and said receive your sight. Then Saul was told "what are you waiting for, be baptized and WASH YOUR SINS AWAY". If he was previously saved, why did he still need to have his sins washed away??? |
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28 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113456 | ||
How is it you so twist this verse. Clearly it is saying Baptism now saves you, (not the removal of dirt, because baptism is a spiritual act, not a physical act, refer to Col. 2:12 in baptism you are spiritually circumcised by Christ), And again it repeats "it saves you by the resurrection of Christ. | ||||||
29 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113482 | ||
I found it interesting you said Noah's faith and "obedience" saved him. I thought we were saved by faith alone. Anyhow, main point: Baptism isn't symbolic of the flood, the flood and what happened to Noah symbolizes baptism. It says they were "saved through water" and this water symblizes baptism "that now saves you also". What can be more clear when it says baptism now saves you? It goes on to explain that baptism is not a physical act(not the removal of dirt) because baptism is a spiritual act(Col. 2:12)you are spiritually circumcised by Christ during baptism. It(baptism) is a pledge to God. And it goes on to say it(baptism) saves you by the resurrection of Christ. Yes, without the resurrection you would be just getting wet. Of course baptism 'is' symbolic, death, burial, resurrection and going down under and coming up out the water a new creature in Christ. But it so clearly says "it" saves you and "it" is a pledge to God, and "it" is effective precisely because of the resurrection. Saved by Grace through Faith at Baptism, it's so simple. |
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30 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113745 | ||
You cannot say Saul was saved back on the road to Damascus during his encounter with Jesus, you said back on post 78221 that he was, even if we assume calling on the name is when he was saved, he was told to arise and have his sins washed away when he met Ananias, this happened much later. He was fasting and praying for 3 days, then he met Ananias, then he regained his sight, then he had the sins washed. If he was saved back in the encounter with Jesus, why was he later told to wash his sins away. Also, his baptism obviously took place within an hour of his arising and calling on the name of the Lord, so you are incorrect in the challenge you were offered. | ||||||
31 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113746 | ||
Yes, you receive the Spirit and are saved during baptism in water. Repentance and water baptism in his name are your response by faith to the gospel. God does all the work. By grace he forgives you and gives you the Holy Spirit. Water baptism is simply an act of faith whereby you are recieving something from God, not a work to earn something. Col. 2:12 explains in water baptism Christ is spiritually circumcising you. Roman 6:3 shows it is not a ritual but an actual participation in his death, burial and resurrection. | ||||||
32 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113759 | ||
Eph. 4:5 states one baptism, it must be the baptism of the Great Commission for it is commanded of Christ and is administered by men. Holy Spirit baptism and speaking in tongues(pentecost and Cornelius for example) was a promise fullfilled, but not a command of Christ. Once water baptism is recognized as the "one baptism", now all the baptism verses begin to make sense. Baptized into Christ, buried in baptism, baptism now saves you also, be baptized and wash your sins away, etc. |
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33 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113775 | ||
I would equate Titus 3:5 to John 3:5. Two elements, water and spirit, one birth. Water Baptism and "receiving" the Holy Spirit are two sides of the same coin, they are inseperable, (Acts 2:38). With your view, you have two distinct baptisms, in water and in holy spirit, which would seem to contradict Eph. 4:5. Don't confuse receiving the indwelling of the spirit and baptism in the spirit. Acts 8:14, they had accepted the word of God and had been baptized(water)in the name of the Lord Jesus. Surely those people in Samaria were saved Christians. Later the apostles went there, placed hands on them, and gave them some spiritual gifts(most likely the ability to speak in tongues) and then Simon, whom who note in verse 13 believed and was baptized, asked if he could buy the gifts he had seen them receive, (he probably heard them tongue speaking). Obviously my view is not that water in and of itself is some majical salvation agent. Saved by Grace through Faith at Baptism. God does all the "work" and the saving, I am simply responding to the gospel by repenting and being baptized in the Lord's name. It's all done as a one time act of faith, not a work of the law. Once saved I continue to work out my salvation with trembling and fear and stand firm to the end. I continue having faith. |
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34 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113806 | ||
In my response I did not say he was saved at baptism(although that is my view). I simply stated his sins were washed away at a later time after he met Ananias and after he regained his sight. I was simply refuting your claim he was saved back when he met Jesus. Again my question was "why did he need his sins washed away if he was already saved? That's all I wanted a response to. The challenge was to show someone who was saved beyond 1 hour of his baptism. Again my point was simply his sins were washed away when he arose and called on the name(if you want to say his baptism came later fine)it still happened in conjuntion with his rising and calling, not 3 days prior on the Damascus road, which is when you claimed is when he was saved. | ||||||
35 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113847 | ||
Quite easily. Let's start in John 20:22. Jesus gives them the Holy Spirit. Now Acts 1:3 He spends 40 days teaching them. I submit the 12 Apostles are saved. Now go to Pentecost. They are filled with the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues. Did reception of the Spirit save them or was it to enable them to tongue speak. Obviously they were already saved, it simply gave them the ability to speak in tongues. Now go to Acts 11:4, notice the word "precisely". Now go to v.15, as he "began" to speak the Holy Spirit fell. Surely Cornelius was not saved before he heard the message and was able to repent and believe. Notice Peter said in v.15, the Spirit came on "them"(cornelius) the same way it came on "us"(12 apostles) at the beginning. Not the same way it came on the 3,000, or Phillip, or Simon, or the Samarians, or the Ethiopian, or any of the other thousands who were being saved. It came on Cornelius the same way the 12 Apostles received it at Pentecost. Not to save them but to get peoples attention and to give them the abililty to speak in tongues. The Holy Spirit coming on Cornelius's household was to show that God was opening up the Gospel to the Gentiles. That was the whole purpose of Peter's dream and this story. God was now granting the Gentiles the opportunity to hear the Gospel and repent. Preaching the Gospel to the Gentiles was a huge obstacle to overcome for the Jewish Christians, thus God did something miraculous. Just like at Pentecost, He was ushering in the new church with power. Notice they were required to respond to the Gospel by being baptized in Jesus name, the same way everyone else responded when they heard the message. |
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36 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113849 | ||
I found it interesting in Eph.1:12-13 the absence of "faith alone" and "repentance". I know trust can be interpreted as faith, but still you seem to be picking and choosing verses to "fit" your doctrine. If one can look at baptism as an act of faith and not a work of the law then the verses that speak of being baptized into Christ make more sense. Saved by Grace through Faith at Baptism. I take all the verses that mention faith, all that mention belief, all that mention repentance, all that mention baptism, and all that contain different combinations of any of those words and find great harmony. God does all the "work", He shows the grace and mercy, He bestows the forgiveness and gives us the Holy Spirit. Our part is simply responding to the message or rejecting it. |
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37 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113938 | ||
I've always disliked that word denomination. I grew up in a small town, in a Lutheran church, my grandfather was even a minister in another town nearby. After moving to Des Moines, IA. I attended a small nondenominational church. A few years later attended an Assembly of God church where I came forward at an "altar call", a couple of years later began attending an Evangelical Free church where I was baptized by immersion in front of 450 members on a Sunday morning. A couple of years later(being single one gets restless) attended a large Baptist church. A couple years later began attending an International Church of Christ where I was taught "baptism for the forgiveness of sins", and a few years later brings us to the present where I'm back at the Evangelical Free Church on Sundays and on Thursday evenings attend a rather large, rapidly growing, very evangelical Lutheran church. The Thursday service is for singles only(typically draws 300 plus)and has full communion with real bread and "real" wine. During all that I have visited Catholic, Christian Science, Traditional Church of Christ, been to a Benny Hinn crusade, and even studied with Mormons(they will never convert). As you can see I have alot of religious experience so I have a very different perspective on the Bible. One of the most interesting experiences was attending a seminar "Why be Catholic" by Scott Hahn. He was a presbyterian seminarian who studied the Bible so extensively he converted to Catholicism. The most fascinating books of I've read are those by David Bercot, he seems to be an expert on the early church. I've found there is no perfect church. I'm puzzled why there is no mention of an age of accountability or infant baptism, or baptism of children and/or teenagers of Christian parents in the Bible. Baptism for the forgiveness of sins is so crystal clear to me, I'm not sure how people miss that one. It appears so many verses that mention baptism have to be picked apart, disected, third person plural pronouned to death in order to not conflict with "faith alone", a phrase which isn't even in the Bible. My biggest question on that(concerning baptism) is why wasn't any translation ever translated to say what it means in plain Ennglish, crystal clear, no interpretation necessary. I was hoping to hear back from morant61 on my post 113859, tues. 12:16 am. I thought I did a good job on that one. Also would love to find just one Christian writer from the very early church who held the faith alone view. Oh, to answer your question, Christian. |
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38 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113939 | ||
still waiting patiently for a response, thanx, arrow1 |
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39 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 113950 | ||
Yes, and most of them have been answered with a well thought out response, which I appreciate. Wish I could say the same for yours............. |
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40 | Water baptism unnecessary for conversion | Acts 2:38 | arrow1 | 114038 | ||
So what you're saying is, Saul upon meeting Jesus on the road to Damascus was spiritually(washed and/or cleansed of sin internally by the Holy Spirit) baptized if you will, and then later after meeting Ananias, was water baptized by him as a symbol, making his public confession of faith. If that's what you mean that's okay, I just wanted to clarify your statement in my own mind. I'll respect your answer. Based on some other posts, I'll best not reply and give the baptism thing a rest for awhile. Thanks, arrow1 |
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