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1001 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Val | 207619 | ||
Dear Sir, I am in an in-depth bible study on Hebrews as we speak. Let me ask you a question. Does your christian journey ever get hard in the sense that people make fun of you for your belief in Christ Jesus as the only way. Have you ever been put in prison for your beliefs? Have you ever been beaten for your beliefs? Have your possessions ever been taken for your beliefs? Has your family ever disowned you for your beliefs? The book of Hebrews is an exhortation. The reason the book was written is found in Chapter 13:22. As I have said before people were going back under the law. Hebrews shows them (us, everyone, saved or unsaved) that that is not a good idea. He then goes on to teach us why not. If you do a word study on priest, high priest, you will see the contrast of men who were priests and why Jesus, our High priest is much better. One thing we can agree on is they are suffering. Many people have tried to help you understand but it has not satisfied you. May I suggest the only thing that will satisfy you is for you to do your own in-depth study of the book of Hebrews and the Holy Spirit may answer this one question you have. Precept.org has an indepth study. The facts I gave you were from a teacher who has spent hundreds of hours studying this book. Let us agree to disagree. Rome always persecuted christians sir. Did they not put our Lord to death? What about the apostles? Weren't they afraid of Rome? What about Paul? Didn't the Roman soldiers beat him one time? Couldn't they just take people's property as they pleased? The historical context is one of suffering. Hadn't Timothy been released from prison? As to your specific passage, I told you this sounds like christians but if you look in other books of the bible, when they talk about christians they use different language like justified to describe them. Partakers of the Holy Spirit. We know the Holy Spirit convicts of sin. Some one in another post explained how someone could enjoy the benefits of the Holy Spirit at a church service but not have a genuine faith. It talks in the book of Hebrews about those who do not enter Christ's rest those under Moses who wandered in the wilderness. It says they had hardened their hearts. They did not enter because of unbelief. It talks in Hebrews about "the shaking". The evidence of a christian is that they continue in the faith. The ones who can't take it cause the journey gets too tough they drop out. Were they christians? No they did not continue in the faith. When the shaking started they fell off. They did not have a genuine faith. The point I believe and the teaching I believe is that the author is telling the genuine Hebrew christians that it would be inappropriate to go back to the law, the old covenant. Why because of who Jesus is, what He did and where He is now. So my thought is He is telling them what we have in Christ and the message falls on the saved and unsaved. The saved will continue on in the faith. Those that professed Christ but did not have a genuine faith will fall off when the shaking starts. The life lesson is what Christ has done for us. He is our High Priest. Look no further. He is the way, the truth, the life. I think at this point in my study of Hebrews and I am on Chapter Four by the way, that the application is made by the individual. If I am saved and I go back under the law, which by the way, some churches today, do that, the author is saying in essence thats not appropriate. If I am not saved, I can be saved if I put my faith and trust in Christ. When the shaking starts, I look to Christ, my High Priest, to help me. You speak as if suffering is a slight thing. It is not. Christians need encouragement. It is said that there are more martyrs for Christ today than in the history of the church by Barna Research. Persecution is enough to discourage and cause many to go backwards instead of forwards. I personally and I hope you are not offended believe you have to look at the whole book to understand it and those verses have to be understood in the context of what is being taught in Hebrews; the contrast of the better covenant to understand these verses you have pointed out. I think your zeroing in on them too much and doing it that way does cause too many problems. Blessing - Val |
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1002 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Val | 207625 | ||
Well I would turn to that scripture that says God's spirit does not always strive with men. There is a time that the call comes and if we miss the call, we miss the call. I will let you know after I have completed my study of Hebrews. I have twelve in depth lessons to go. It takes a week to do one lesson if I am diligent. Blessings, Val |
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1003 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Val | 207636 | ||
Doc, I looked forward to what you would have to say on this passage. I was not disappointed. Excellent commentary. Thanks, Val | ||||||
1004 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Val | 207642 | ||
The people in Hebrews 5:11-6:3 are one group of people; the "you" The people in Hebrews 6:4-6 are another group of people; the "those" Hebrews 6:7-8 explains the case of the "those" as hoppy has explained very well. Hebrews 6:9-12 is about the true believers. "Those" people in verses 4-6 have obviously called themselves christains, been around true christians, then turned around and made a mockery of the cross by turning away from claiming to be a Christian. At a point in time, they turned aside from what they had experienced. “it is impossible to renew them again to repentance” (renew—restore) They cannot be restored to repentance, since they turned from true repentance. - Spiros Zodhiates, The Complete Word Study Dictionary: New Testament Blessings, Val |
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1005 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Val | 207646 | ||
Look at verse 8 - Those who tasted and fell away are like the ground that received the rain and didn't produce vegetation but only worthless thorns and thistles - they'll be burned. This is talking about "those" in verse 4-6. Now look at verse 10 - they brought forth vegetation - your work and love shown toward His name, ministering to the saints. This is about the true believers. There is an exhortation in verse 11 - there is hope. That hope is in Jesus. Be deligent not sluggish, verse 12. Blessings, Val |
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1006 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Val | 207659 | ||
Dear Pastor Tim, Thank you for you post. Although we disagree I respect your opinion. As a sister in Christ I do see that it would cost you to change your opinion on this passage. Factors like this might lean you to a particular perspective. However, I have always been taught that when I am wrong I am to line up my life with the teaching of scripture rather than lining up scripture with my life. I hope you are not offended by this. It is my wish that you as well as everyone on the forum grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Its been a pleasure taling with you. Blessings - Val |
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1007 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Val | 207669 | ||
Dear Pastor Tim, Beginning in Hebrews 5:11 - 6:12 I mark the group of people called the recepients in orange. They are referred to as "you, us, brethren". Other groups of people are marked in their own colors. But is a word of contrast. I mark it in a different color. Therefore is a word of conclusion I mark it in a different color. Let us and better are other key words I mark in a different color. This is some of what is included in an "observation worksheet". Now concerning your question about Verse 11 - I marked "you" in orange. The word "those" is not in verse 11. I would have to go back and study John inductively to comment on that cross reference but a question does arise, do you feel the John passage you quoted shows "a turning away"? Could you tell me what you believe the verses in Hebrews 6:7-8 mean? Do I understand you the "partakers of the Holy Spirit" is the phrase that you base your view on or are there other passages in the bible that support your view? So the phrase "it is impossible to renew them again to repentance" - your view is they repented. I see but did they? That is the question. Doesn't that make your view even more difficult? Because if you can turn away isn't that saying you can't come back? How do you explain that perspective? In verse 9 it starts with a contrast (the word but) of "those" who will be burned and "you" who show love... The "those" in verse 12 are explained as "those who through faith and patience inherit the promise". So this is a different "those" than the those who will be burned up because of the description. Blessings, Val |
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1008 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Val | 207678 | ||
Hello Cheri, I use the NASB. When I order a bible study on a book of the bible from Precept.org the observation worksheet is included in the workbook in NASB version. I think you can print out observation worksheets from the Preceptaustin site. They are double spaced and give plenty of room to make notes and color the words. Then after you are satisfied with what you have done you can transfer it to your bible if you prefer. I personally just use the workbook. There are several steps in the workbook one of them being word studies. There are many dictionaries out there. I use Vines and Ziodiates. Also you may also use different versions of the bible. In inductive study you are asked to do the observation first before you go to commentaries. I would say since some bibles are paraphrased they should be treated as commentaries. The defination indeed adds to the meaning of a sentence. There is much, much work that goes into inductive study so that when you finish the study you know that you know what you have studied. I also have The Zondervan Pictorial Encyclopedia of the Bible by Tenny. They have come out with a newer version available this fall I believe. I would like to have it. I have the older version. It is a five volume collection. I like books. Yes you could check major "versions". Any research that would aid you in your study is encouraged. We are only limited by time. After each lesson is done in the workbook, ideally you would gather together with others and discuss what you studied for a suggested hour. And finally you watch a one hour tape of teaching which is optional but I gain more if I watch or listen to the teaching. Your attention is constantly going to the word to see what the bible says. I am not in a group right now I do my workbook at home and watch the tape after I finish a lesson. Its great for me. Blessings, Val |
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1009 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Val | 207682 | ||
Dear Pastor Tim, Thank you for the response. Any time - tomorrow or later is fine. May God bless you, Val |
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1010 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Val | 207742 | ||
Doc, thank you for your thoughts. Many blessings, Val | ||||||
1011 | Heb6:4-6 Loosing salvation or what? | Heb 6:4 | Val | 207744 | ||
Dear Tim, I apologize I did not mean to imply you are unethical. What I meant is that all of us are colored by that which we were taught as a child, teenager from others. Usually, however a person grows up, they remain that way as an adult in most cases. I am talking about denominations. So not only you but me, and I believe others are influenced by how our parents, loved ones, taught us. My point was that you and I and others must be objective when we approach scripture. We all have presuppositions that cause us to lean in one direction or another. I believe it takes an objective in-depth study as I have pointed out in other posts, as well as, a consideration of those who have studied before us and those in this age that devote their lives to the study of the bible; all this is available to us at this time. I am thankful to the Lord to be living in a day of so much grace. Now I will get back to the joy of studying His word. I am afraid I spend too much time on here. Please take no offense. I apologize if I came across that way. Many blessings; Val |
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1012 | What is interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 | Heb 6:9 | Val | 220814 | ||
Mark those in this passage and you see a different group of people. Verse 9 explains that they are not of the those. In other words they cannot go back to the old covenant since they are now under the new covenant. The animal sacrifices occurred once a year for atonement. When Jesus sacrificed his life it was a perfect sacrifice and occurred only once. So anyone who goes back to the old covenant is showing that theirs is not a genuine conversion. | ||||||
1013 | What is interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 | Heb 6:9 | Val | 220823 | ||
The first step in inductive study is to observe the text. This would cover studing the complete book of Hebrews which would includes cross references and looking up any words not understood. The second step is interpretation which would determining what the passage means. The last step is application which covers how does the passage apply to me. The author gives these practical applications throughout the book. | ||||||
1014 | What is interpretation of Hebrews 6:4-6 | Heb 6:9 | Val | 220840 | ||
You can not have a discussion if you haven't done your homework. | ||||||
1015 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | Val | 220054 | ||
Just a side note. Other words for sin are evil, wickedness, inquity and deeds whether good or bad. Judging the world means the people of the world; the lost at the white throne judgment. The saved at the bema seat for rewards. | ||||||
1016 | Is Salvation lump sum? | Heb 7:25 | Val | 220075 | ||
John you are so funny. Thanks for the chuckle. | ||||||
1017 | Today, Christians are Israel | Heb 8:8 | Val | 193665 | ||
Doc, the nation of Israel and the church are two seperate groups. The church has not replaced the nation of Israel. There are promises that God has made to the nation of Israel that He has not made to the church. Could we discuss one passsage of scripture to make it simpler and easier in this forum if you like. You chose. Respectfully submitted. | ||||||
1018 | Today, Christians are Israel | Heb 8:8 | Val | 193729 | ||
Lets study Romans then shall we. Lets read the entire book and get a feel for it. Romans has been called the constitution of our faith. Excellent choice. | ||||||
1019 | Today, Christians are Israel | Heb 8:8 | Val | 193739 | ||
Doc, thank you for the post numbers. I appreciate it. | ||||||
1020 | no more animal sacrifice | Heb 8:13 | Val | 218863 | ||
Dear YenisaRap, I am currently studying Jeremiah. I believe the following verses shed some light on your question. Jer 33:14 'Behold, days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will fulfill the good word which I have spoken concerning the house of Israel and the house of Judah. Jer 33:15 'In those days and at that time I will cause a righteous Branch of David to spring forth; and He shall execute justice and righteousness on the earth. Jer 33:16 'In those days Judah will be saved and Jerusalem will dwell in safety; and this is the name by which she will be called: the LORD is our righteousness.' Jer 33:17 "For thus says the LORD, 'David shall never lack a man to sit on the throne of the house of Israel; Jer 33:18 and the Levitical priests shall never lack a man before Me to offer burnt offerings, to burn grain offerings and to prepare sacrifices continually.' This is a promise made to Israel in the time of Jeremiah. Obviously, sacrifices were honored by God when they were done in His timing and in His ways. There are many things we do not understand. This is probably one of those topics I have never heard discussed but is it in the bible? Yes it is. Obviously God has a plan for the future. We in our finite minds cannot comprehend it so confusion comes in as to the why. We only learn the answers as we continue to study God's word. Then as we study we realize how much we do not know and we have different questions. It is a fascinating journey is it not? Good Question. |
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