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321 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91050 | ||
“Why, at he age of 30 and not 13 or 3 is not revealed in Scripture. But we do know that He cames to save His people from their sins.” **"However, water baptism does carry a much deeper meaning than what we are commonly taught to accept, but not for salvation and Jn3.3,5 has nothing to do with salvation." ”John 3:5 Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God”. ”I do not believe that "born of water" refers to believer's baptism, for that would be require a work being added to faith in order for one to be saved.” OK, I said that. But then if you are saved you should want to be, right? A sign of communion or belonging, maybe? How about allegiance? Will that work? ”Perseverance for a true believer is not a requirement for salvation. We are saved by grace alone. Rather, perseverance is a fruit produced in the believer by the Holy Spirit; it is an evidence of God working in us. We are His workmanship and His work does not fail to meet His expectations.” Don’t be so sure here, John. I say it is a matter of responsibility that we are to purify our souls per 1 Peter1.22 “Seeing YOU have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently”…….. He is talking to disciples here, John and not to “just saved” people. ”It causes me real grief when I see so many, who profess Christ, busily attempting to work their way into the kingdom. The fact is that when the cross work of Christ was completed, ALL the work was over.” You mean the way was now open for man, once saved, to enter. Remember, Jesus said “IF” any man will…take up his cross and follow me” How do the unsaved take up a cross they haven’t received, the life and death of Jesus? Then you must ask what is this cross except it be an extension of the earthly life of Jesus given me to prove myself as Jesus did That Father can say to me well done good and faithful servant-son-.. Sorry, John, salvation is not the issue. Sonship is. “The work we do is simply God working in us to accomplish His good pleasure. Salvation's work had been done on our behalf long before we were born. To God be the Glory!” That’s nice and understood by me however the only faith that pleases the Father is the Faith OF the Jesus Christ and that MUST reside in me, revealed to be the very mind of God. If that is a ‘works’ issue to you so be it. Revisit 1 Peter 1.22…Rom. 8.2. If you can grasp this you’ll enter a more vibrant relationship with Father and the Bible will become a new one. |
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322 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91053 | ||
Hi Tim! and thanks for the greeting... a pleasant change. I really can't put it in a short statement but I can assure you that what I believe WON"T do injury to anyones faith venture in Christ. What I know is that we fall short, way short, of coming into what God has purposed for those who diligently seek His kingdom and put into practice a love for Him He can respond to. i.e., the Great Commandment and seek first His kingdom..." The nominal Christian doesn't know much about that sort of thing today while clinging to promises of God that have conditions placed upon them. Am I saved by grace?.....YES, without a doubt. Now I have a responsibilty and it ain't to go beating on doors telling them about Jesus who I know very little about but to become one God can trust with Himself as He could, Jesus. Make sense? |
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323 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91054 | ||
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? ________________________________ What do suppose Jesus meant by "my Father's business"? __________________________ Isn't this something we should be saying when asked of others? |
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324 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91076 | ||
"It sounds like you are talking about discipleship or Christian maturity. Is that correct?" And that sounds like you think they are the same. I find Christian maturity CAN BE nothing more than a lot of 'religious head knowledge' while I consider dicipleship to be more of a love affair with the Father. The former requires revelational truth as a result of initimacy with the Father. Make those distinctions and we're on the same page because I know too many self-proclaimed "mature" Christians who resent it when the name Jesus is mentioned and walk away from the conversation. "If so, I would say that both are necessary. We need to be 'becoming Christlike' and knocking on those doors! ;-)" Jesus never knocked on doors. He spoke from His life and was never without an audience. |
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325 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91093 | ||
"Sure. Now, you tell me what you believe the young Jesus meant by it." The "young Jesus" was the "young Jesus". I'm not Him, neither are you...John, I believe it's John. Having made those distinctions we must remember that Jesus already possessed - the- divine nature. He knew what His earthly ministry was to accomplish. i.e., "for this reason was I born". We, on this side of the cross also possess that nature by virtue of the new birth. In that new birth experience SHOULD come the knowledge of the Father's business regarding our relationship to Him and His will for our life. My ambition must be to be about my Father's business....So should yours. His will for our lives is for us to become a son unto Him....just like Jesus, the boy. Jesus accomplished His task by protecting His divine nature to become the new Son of God. We accomplish our task by overcoming our old 'self' nature with the new one God gives us because of Jesus Christ that we become "Son's of God", no longer "boy's", but joint heirs with Christ to rule reign with Him.. You do know what a joint heir is I hope? Make sense? |
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326 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91107 | ||
"Ken, Christian maturity is a product of following Christ, i.e., discipleship. "Religious head knowledge" as you put it is not discipleship and is not Christian maturity" Isn't that what I said? I'm not after some oneupsmanship game playing. Can we be clear on that?...;] I hope so. "Perhaps in your assessment of what Christian maturity is, you are thinking of Christians who have lost their first love, who have become lazy, laid-back, apathetic shells of the vibrant disciples they once were. They haven't matured! They have simply withered on the vine." --Hank No Hank, I'm thinking of the church that doesn't teach the kingdom of God and the "bringing many sons into Glory" theme of the Pauline epistles explaining the reality of the nature of Jesus Christ we must come into.. |
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327 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91109 | ||
Does that help you, Tim? | ||||||
328 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91121 | ||
That's fine, Hank. I apologize for my wrongness. People have a tendency to twist words or purposely omit words when quoting for advantage in an arguement/discussion...I've been in those forums and hope this one will be different. I hope you will carefully read what I post before responding and I hope you will continue to respond...Thanks,Ken |
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329 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91126 | ||
Thanks, Hank..same here | ||||||
330 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91135 | ||
Do you mean this for me, George??... I don't think so |
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331 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91137 | ||
"This might help if you would explain what you mean by these terms. To me, the 'kingdom' and 'sonship' are all related to salvation. When someone is saved, they become part of the kingdom and a son." Jesus was a demonstration of the Kingdom. You might say He was a Kingdom of one who desires to multiply Himself. Ever wonder what the 'treasure in the field' is or the 'Pearl of Great price'? Think about it. Many -saved- are called, Tim. Few choose, consquently few are chosen. Everything spoken in the NT Epistles is spoken to disciples not just professors who don't follow. Jesus would that we either hot or cold but not luke warm. Rev.3.16. Sonship is what it becomes all about once you are saved and catch the vision of Kingdom |
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332 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91138 | ||
oo-ooh my... "Is this the criticism you were expecting? I could pin you down to the level of your master. The one who first tried to use scripture against my Master, I will conclude with Pro 26:5; Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." You'll have to do better than that, George. You might first explain to me what I said to spark such contempt? |
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333 | Please explain | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91198 | ||
"Romans 12:2 says that the will of God is "good, and acceptable, and perfect". It was the will of the Father for Jesus to live the life He lived. Jesus said that he did not speak His Own words, but only what the Father gave Him." This all is so as you have presented it. Now place yourself IN Jesus and the whole thing becomes you. You say, "but I don't know God's will perfectly". Let me explain. His perfect will for us, as the redeemed of the Lord, is to become as Jesus, the MAN. We should all be saying as Jesus, the BOY, "I must be about my Father's business". The "process" of becoming is what we all should be about and that's what a good Spirit filled church should about doing.i.e, caring as a mother to bring about those son's and daughter's God is after to fill His kingdom for Jesus' sake. Where we are individually in the process is not the issue, however to encourage for one another should be one. The "kingdom of God suffers violence and the violent TAKE IT by FORCE". In others words it is a warfare, one that is mostly with our "self" that doesn't like hanging on a cross and dying. All that I just posted isn't for evangelizing except Jesus said "make disciples of all nations". We Christians, by and large, haven't done that. We don't know much about that part of it. We drop them off at the cross and leave them there with "12 twelve self-improvement" program and say 'find a church and get involved'. Then the church burns them out with their social activities all supposedly "Holy Spirit" inspired.. "I am curious as to what prompted your reasoning here. Your knowledge of the scriptures includes, I'm sure, that Christ had to keep the law for our sakes because of our inabaility to do so. It was the Father's plan for Him" He kept God's intended law that the Jews distorted. But that I believe you understand. So we can rightly say He didn't ever break God's Law. I agree. But now that is something we must be about also, don't you think? The priviledge for us however, is that God's law is now found in Christ. Keep Christ and you keep God's law "for there is no condemnation for those who are in Him". If we fail and sin we have an advocate with the Father, Christ Jesus. This without the need to shed blood as the Jews must/needed to do. His perfect blood, the "Perfect Lamb of God" was shed once and for all. Now we can enter in, receive from Him, and get on with becoming unto Him a vast family as He purposed for to become. "When you say "go straight to the cross", are you inplying that as an infant, Christ could have suffered and died, or are you saying that He didn't even need to be born? What are you saying?" Let me ask you: If perfect blood was all it was about for the remission of our sins, which it was, then why didn't Jesus go straight to the cross? He was that perfect blood sacrifice from the beginning. The word "Lamd" connotes innocence, purit, and YOUTH/BABY. For that matter you could ask why did God wait so long in sending Him to be that sacrifice? Why didn't He do it right after Adam sinned? Obviously there is more to it than redemption. Jesus tells us in His word through the Gospels that Paul is given to explain in more detail. Jesus said He/God would send another comforter who would take the things of the Father and reveal them to us as the Father revealed them to Jesus, the man..That other comforter being the Holy Spirit. Great questions, 4givn. I hope I've helped with what I've posted....Ken |
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334 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91201 | ||
"By the new birth we recieved a spiritual nature, not a divine nature. We are not little gods!" Little god's we aren't but you are grossly wrong when you say we didn't receive a divine nature. If you say, as you do, a spiritual nature, then I ask who's spirit and was it not divine? Me think's you need to re-visit that in your thinking. Is there one I don't know about that the word of God speaks of? Please show me from God's word, then be prepared. |
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335 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91216 | ||
There is really nothing difficult about this, Guys. Re-read Jn 15,16 and 17 then 2 Cor.4.11: For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus' sake, so that his life may be revealed in our mortal body. So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you. It is written: "I believed; therefore I have spoken." With that same spirit of faith we also believe and therefore speak, because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you in his presence. "If the SAME SPIRIT that raised Christ from the dead dwell IN you, ............" |
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336 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91217 | ||
Roman's 8.14 "....because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father." |
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337 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91223 | ||
"There is a distinct difference between being indwelt by the Holy Spirit and possessing a divine nature as you call it. Perhaps if you were to explain the term and explain what effect having a "divine nature" has, may help." But there is no difference. Jesus had a divine nature that is given to us because He is given to us. Jesus, His divine nature/Spirit of Truth and that which is given us, is one in the same. Jn14.16-18 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever-the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives WITH you and will be IN you. I will not leave you as orphans; I WILL COME TO YOU...."Lo I and WITH you always. His nature is that nature given us at New birth. |
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338 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91225 | ||
"Perhaps if you were to explain the term and explain what effect having a "divine nature" has, may help." I think I'll let you think about that part of your question and how that divine nature given you should affect your life. Hint: The Great Commandment and 'Seek ye first the Kingdom of God'. Abandon your "self" and then 'abide'...It takes a divine nature to do accomplish that. |
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339 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91228 | ||
Not a chance! Consider you've just misread Paul, if he is the one who wrote Hebrews. Lets read it all: 13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. Now pay close attention to whats coming: 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles/elementary teachings of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms/washings-NASB, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. All elementary to Paul and you say, what? What perfection is he speaking of if it be not something we 'strive' for NOW having the same Spirit within as Jesus had? 1 JN.5.5 Who is he that "overcomes" the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? I believe the word "overcome" is what bothers you all. Want more? I've got more. |
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340 | Isn't believing Christ for salvation suf | John 3:3 | Ken hepting | 91231 | ||
2 Pet 1:4 "For by these He has granted to US His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you May BECOME partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust " Why don't read this real carefully. #1. Who's us? The 'just saved' who don't follow Christ as Lord, who are still wrapped in "self" or those who have abandoned their "self's" or are learning how to abandon their "selfs" to Christ? #2 What does "you MAY BECOME mean if it doesn't mean a future happening that is to begin happening NOW? That's what His precious promises are all about. It is a 'now' issue by having your senses perfected in HIM by the power of the Hol;y SPirit to function that He gave us on the day of Pentecost. Hmmmmm?...this is a very elementary teaching of Jesus Christ. |
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