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21 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127719 | ||
Emmaus, 1 Cor. 15:26 refers to spiritual death. The same spiritual death that came upon Adam in the Garden of Eden. Paul is explaining that in v.44 "it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body." Note in v. 56-57 "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." There Christ was victorious over (spiritual) death through his sacrifice. Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. The end of the Law was culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Jesus fulfilled the law therefore overcoming sin and death. The case for full preterism can be made from the scriptures without straying into uninspired writings. However, I could cite early church fathers who also held preterist-type views. (On Matthew 24:3,34) "But our Master did not prophesy after this fashion; but, as I have already said, being a prophet by an inborn and every-flowing Spirit, and knowing all things at all times, He confidently set forth, plainly as I said before, sufferings, places, appointed times, manners, limits. Accordingly, therfore, prophesying concerning the temple, He said: "See ye these buildings? Verily I say to you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another which shall not be taken away [Matt. 24:3]; and this generation shall not pass until the destruction begin [Matt. 24:34]. . . ." And in like manner He spoke in plain words the things that were straightway to happen, which we can now see with our eyes, in order that the accomplishment might be among those to whom the word was spoken. (Clementine Homilia, 3:15.) |
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22 | Generation or Race? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127901 | ||
Tim, Wouldn't Jesus have said "that generation" if he meant some generation in the future? The preterist interpretation is the only one consistent with Matthew 16 when Jesus speaks of "some standing here" not tasting death before the coming of the Kingdom. |
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23 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127902 | ||
Thank you for the confirmation that the Destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 fulfilled Matthew 24:1-2. The disciples understood the destruction of the Temple was synonymous with Jesus returning in judgement and the end of old covenent age. Their follow-up question was not about some other event, but they were simply asking "When is this going to happen, it's not a three part question with three separate answers. You're reading too much into it. The language is actually quite plain. You believe that the end could not have come because the Gospel has to be preached to all nations. However, have you read: …I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world. (Rom. 1:8) But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world." (Rom. 10:16-18) …All over the world this gospel is bearing fruit and growing, just as it has been doing among you since the day you heard it and understood God's grace in all its truth. (Col. 1:6) …This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant. (Col. 1:23) At least Paul seemed to have believed that this had been already accomplished. I will go as far to say the Great Commission of Matthew 28: 16-20 was also fufilled in that time according to this line of logic. “The abomination that causes desolation” is not a complicated part of prophecy. Compare Matt. 24:15 "So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand— with Luke 20:21 "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near." .. and the surrounding passages. "Jerusalem being surrounded by armies" IS "standing in the holy place “the abomination that causes desolation”." When was Jerusalem surrounded by armies? In the siege leading up to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Jesus is not trying to be vague. He is telling “GET OUT OF JERUSALEM WHEN YOU SEE THESE THINGS!” |
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24 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127906 | ||
You've got me confused... You believe Jesus switches subjects between in Matthew 24 between the destruction of Jerusalem, then to some event in the far off future, then back again to the destruction of Jerusalem? You should familiarize yourself with the apocalyptic language being used here to describe God impending judgment his people. Very similar language is used to describe very similar type events in the OT. None of the LITERALLY happened, but the Jesus audience would know of these scriptures and would have had no doubt as to what he was saying was about to happen in Jerusalem. For example: Prophesying the fall of Babylon to the Medes in 539 B. C., Isaiah wrote: Behold, the Day of the LORD is coming, Cruel, with fury and burning anger, To make the land a desolation; And He will exterminate its sinners from it. For the stars of heaven and their constellations Will not flash forth with their light; The sun will be dark when it rises, And the moon will not shed its light (Isaiah 13:9-10). Also see: Isaiah 34:4 (destruction of Edom) Amos 8:9 (destruction of Samaria) Ezekiel 32:7-8 (destruction of Egypt) Finally, you have been deceived by Bible translations which have used translated the original as “earth” or "world" when it should have been translated as “land”. All the “nations of the land” did actually mourn when God used the Roman armies to come upon them in judgment in AD 70. What do you think Jesus was talking about when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until ALL these things have happened"? (emphasis mine!). |
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25 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127908 | ||
You said “Jesus must have seen the restlessness creeping into the disciples as their patience began to be depleted since they could not deduce a clear answer from what He had revealed because He turns the attention back to His Second Coming.” … aren’t you inferring a little too much to make this fit your own interpretation? Jesus does give many indication of a time frame when he talks about “not all of you standing here” tasting death and “this generation will not pass way until all these things are fulfilled” and MANY other indications of the imminent/impending nature of his coming. Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4 Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. But YOU , brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. (emphasis mine!). Paul (and who am I to second guess Paul?) was warning his first century audience, THEY should fully expect Jesus to return to THEM. Was he misleading them? Jesus was to return like a “thief in the night”, but his followers would not to be caught unaware. They would see it coming, they would NOT be surprised! Jesus said all of this any much more so to give those who loved him every chance to be prepared. They did not have to “speculate, ponder, or theorize” because they knew that the nature of the Jesus return as a event that would bring judgment upon Israel, they knew it would come in their generation and that there would be a very clear sign “Jerusalem surrounded by armies”. |
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26 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127909 | ||
Please show me where else in scripture that Jesus says "I tell you the truth..." or "Verily I say unto you..." because he is suddenly changing the subject. Jesus is always referring back to the previous statement to add emphasis to that statement. As far as Luke 21:31-33 happening in the first century, take a look at this article: http://www.tektonics.org/olivet01.html |
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27 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127957 | ||
Angel, do you not think that (Rom. 1:8, Rom. 10:16-18, Col. 1:6, and Col. 1:23) demonstrate that "..this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations.." (Matthew 24:14a) was fulfilled? I'm not necessarily saying that Jesus sacrifice was not for all people for all time. The point I have been trying to make is that the Second Coming or "the end" described in Matt 24:14 came in the first century. In 2 Peter 3, I don't see any indication that they were to believe that the Second Coming was still far off beyond all of their lifetimes. This letter was a note of encouragement to THEM. God was "not slow" in keeping his promise. God was being patient with THEM. He write “my dear friends since YOU are looking forward to this…” (emphasis mine!) The last days were transpiring in the first century… Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. |
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28 | Fatherof4, What is the Greek word? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 128024 | ||
DBR - thanks for the reply. You did a much better job that I could have. I picked up some of my ideas regarding this particular point from this website. http://www.preteristarchive.com/StudyArchive/m/matthew_24-30_earth-land.html |
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29 | Evidence? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 128025 | ||
Tim, 'earth' may be one of the possible meanings, but I do not believe the original audience would have understood it to mean 'the entire globe' in the same sense that we do today. |
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30 | Evidence? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 128103 | ||
Tim, Thanks, but I do think that some Bible translations are based on errant theology and are therefore deceptive. (i.e. the Scofield Refernce Bible) Here are some thoughts: Matt 5:18... "heaven and earth" must be figurative, or else we are all still under the Law. "Heaven and earth" must disappear before the Law, so if the Law has been fulfilled, then "everything" has been accomplished and "heaven and earth" have disappeared. Read Isaiah 51:16. "I have put my word in your mouth and have covered you with the shadow of my hand, to establish the heavens, to found the earth, and to say to Zion, 'You are my people'". (NASV) From this article: http://newjerusalemministriesboards.com/rheaven.htm ...the point is made that "God created Israel's "heaven and earth" by giving them his Covenant. Now if he destroyed that Old Covenant heaven and earth and gave a New Covenant, would he not thereby be creating a new heavens and new earth? This is precisely the thought in the New Covenant scriptures." Acts 1:8 predicts the fulfillment of the Great Commission, which Paul clearly states has been completed (Rom. 10:16-18) for instance. Although I can see other instances where "earth" can be translated as more than just "land of Isreal", I cannot see how it could be translated as "the planet as known in the 21st century" given the context and supporting scriptures. |
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31 | Fatherof4, What is the Greek word? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 128107 | ||
What's BAG? OK.. so let's say "all the tribes of the earth" means nations. Does that mean we are talking about the Planet, or (more likely) the Roman Empire? "every tribe and language and people and nation" appears to be a very inclusive statement to our Western 21st Century ears... however, in Acts 2:5 we learn that "Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven". Which I believes sheds some light on what is meant in Rev 5:9... Luke and John are both talking about the Jews. |
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32 | shaking off the dust? | Rom 5:9 | Fatherof4 | 127604 | ||
Read Matthew 25:31-46, where in the parable of the sheep and the goats, the deciding factor in judgement is how the individual has treated "these brothers of mine". It is the same as in the passage you quoted. In the impending Final Judgement coming swiftly upon Israel in the first century, it would be evident that those who were merciful to the disciples were followers of Jesus (sheep), and any who mistreated or ignored his disciples were to witness God's wrath (goats). | ||||||
33 | the end of the world? | 1 Cor 10:11 | Fatherof4 | 129006 | ||
Goef, the thing is, the Bible does not tell about the end of the world. The prophecies that are often misunderstood as the "end of the world" are actually prophecies concerning the "end of the age" (aion), which was the end of the Jewish Age. The "end" took place in 70 AD with the destruction of Jeruslem. In the KJV 1 Cor 10:11 was incorrectly translated using "world" instead of "ages". Read 1 Cor 10:11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come. (NKJV) Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. (KJV) So don't fret... the world is not about to end. |
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34 | When will Jesus return? | 2 Thessalonians | Fatherof4 | 127586 | ||
Take a look at Matthew 24:34 "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." If you've never heard of preterism, you should read the articles at http://www.preterism.info | ||||||
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