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21 | What if both parties want a divorce? | Bible general Archive 3 | Face | 175841 | ||
And when you read and understand the epistle of John when he says In the beginning was the Word... then goes on to say that all things were created by him and for him,... then goes on to say the no man has seen or heard the Father at any time, that it was the Son who declared (revealed) the Father's will to mankind. Read Joh 1:18 So when Paul stated that husbands are to love their wives like Christ loved the church, it brings a whole new meaning to it. The word translated church is G1577 ek-klay-see'-ah From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular meeting, especially a religious congregation (Jewish synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church. Remember how Israel and Judah strayed and were given a bill of divorce in Jer 3:8? In light of the fact that it was Yah'shua that did the declaring to the Moses and the prophets, it would also have been him that was sheparding Israel that whole time. So even though Judah and Israel whored around with heathen gods, Yah'shua still was willing to come to earth to redeem her. Now, will the men who are really willing to love their wife like Christ loved the assembly please stand up? |
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22 | What if both parties want a divorce? | Bible general Archive 3 | Face | 175853 | ||
That is an excellent wording of this point! I have to remember that. The thing about getting along is what we learn to do, but love is a choice. That gets to the heart! | ||||||
23 | What if both parties want a divorce? | Bible general Archive 3 | Face | 175889 | ||
careful about calling one theologian better than another. Yah'shua said we are brothers, that we are not to elevate ourselves one over another ;-) he who wants to be great is to be the servant of all :-) |
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24 | What if both parties want a divorce? | Bible general Archive 3 | Face | 175919 | ||
No, I wasn't concerned you were elevating yourself, but instead cautioning against looking up to another such as a theologian too highly. Sorry for the misunderstanding |
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25 | Was woman ever suppose to be liberated? | Gen 3:15 | Face | 176389 | ||
One would think that the pain in childbearing would cease at the same time the woman's position in authority changes. | ||||||
26 | What about Jacob-Israel and Ephraim? | Gen 17:6 | Face | 175842 | ||
Opinions vary, but it could be you. It's really scary for the folks who preach the two house theory, that the Israelites are bound to obey Torah, but not the gentiles. Because there's a good chance every one of us has some of Abraham and Jacob's blood |
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27 | Ten Commandments vs. Galatians | Ex 20:1 | Face | 176390 | ||
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28 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175630 | ||
The same law in Deut. 17:17 would then forbid a king from having more than one horse. I don't hear anyone preaching that doctrine |
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29 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175632 | ||
Interestingly enough, it was less that 500 years ago that Martin Luther conceded that Scripture did not forbid multiple wives. | ||||||
30 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175633 | ||
I would agree alot more readily with the should-be monogamy crowd if there hadn't been so many righteous polygamous people, even listed in the heros of faith. Thus examples were given of righteous men to follow, David being a man after God's own heart. I've read most of this thread, and it's the same tired answers from both sides. Was polygyny allowed in Scripture? Certainly it was recorded. Was there a record of any one of those men being chastised for polygyny specifically? NO! For other things, yes, even for allowing the wives to lead him astray. But the sin was allowing them to lead him astray, not in actually having more than the so-called ideal of one wife. Yes, I agree with polygyny in certain circumstances, under proper headship. Most monogamous marriages fail miserably at this same headship. My advice to all of you is to work on the proper headship order as our brothers laid out in Scripture, only then can relationships really thrive. 1Co 11:3 lays this out quite clearly. echoed in Eph 5:23 Thus God the Father is head of Christ the Messiah. Christ is head of Man, he is also head of the church. Man is head of the woman. Please note that the man is to love his wife as Christ loved the church, and gave himself for it. Headship is not dictatorship, even if the wife sometimes accuses the husband of such. I've seen chruches also falsely accuse Christ of being a dictator. Rebellion will do that. Also, please notice that the church is NOT head over the man. This is something else many folks seem to not notice. My suspicion is that if human nature would allow it'self submission to proper authority, this whole thing would be a non-issue. But as long as women rule over men by passive agressive insubordination, marriages and in fact, all human relationships will suffer. Likewise men must learn to submit to Christ, and allow His ways to be our ways, instead of trying to make our ways be His ways. After all, His thoughts are higher than our thoughts, and His ways than our ways. This should-be monogamy is another example of our righteousness being filthy rags. Yes, look up the Strong's word H5708. Menstrual rags. This self-righteousness stinks! |
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31 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175634 | ||
Reading over Scripture where adultery is mentioned and spelled out at all, it is a man lying with another man's wife (or betrothed) In other words, the woman had to be married. Yahshua (Jesus) spelled this out a bit clearer, and showed that a man marrying a woman who had been put away also committed adultery. What he did not make clear is whether a woman who had been properly divorced was an adulteress or not, and whether marrying this woman would constitute adultery. Another thing many conservative churches teach that is un-Scriptural is the teaching that divorced people should seperate from each other, and return to the original spouse should the later husband die. Deu 24:1-4 specifically forbids this and calls it and abomination In any case, adultery was punishable by death for both parties involved. This being the case, the arguement that polygyny is adultery is rather poor because then every man who had more than one wife should have been put to death. Why is this ignored my mainstream christianity? |
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32 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175635 | ||
Maybe his norm is the regular people. At least 5 of the hero's of faith listed in Hebrews had multiple wives. But he's right, these people weren't normal, they were heros of faith. So maybe polygyny is only for people who's faith is above normal? Sorry...... couldn't resist |
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33 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175636 | ||
This would also follow suit with the commands given through Moses: Lev 21:10 And he that is the high priest among his brethren, upon whose head the anointing oil was poured, and that is consecrated to put on the garments, shall not uncover his head, nor rend his clothes; Lev 21:11 Neither shall he go in to any dead body, nor defile himself for his father, or for his mother; Lev 21:12 Neither shall he go out of the sanctuary, nor profane the sanctuary of his God; for the crown of the anointing oil of his God is upon him: I am the LORD. Lev 21:13 And he shall take a wife in her virginity. Lev 21:14 A widow, or a divorced woman, or profane, or an harlot, these shall he not take: but he shall take a virgin of his own people to wife. Lev 21:15 Neither shall he profane his seed among his people: for I the LORD do sanctify him. Similarly Ezra confirms this, with a slight modification: Eze 44:22 Neither shall they take for their wives a widow, nor her that is put away: but they shall take maidens of the seed of the house of Israel, or a widow that had a priest before. The high priest was called to higher standards than the rest of the people. Similarly he couldn't have physical defects: Lev 21:17 Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. Lev 21:18 For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Lev 21:19 Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Lev 21:20 Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; Lev 21:21 No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. Lev 21:22 He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy. Lev 21:23 Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them. Does this mean that physically defect people cannot be saved? Of course not. In fact, I'm surprised churches don't use this to say preachers cannot have physcial defects. If they hold the average person to the same standard as a bishop or deacon in marriage, then why not hold them to the same standard in physical attributes? I'd be willing to let stand a restriction on 1 and only 1 wife for a bishop and deacon, and maybe even a pastor, but that according to Scripture would be the only legislation without adding to Scripture. |
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34 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175644 | ||
I'd like to see the historical documentation you have to prove this claim that polygyny was not practiced in 1st century Judea. If not, they why would Paul have mentioned it in reference to deacons and bishops? And why in 1 Cor 5:1 that a son took his father's wife? She wasn't his mother, obviously, or that would have been stated. Yeah, I know, now you are going to say that the first wife died. It's OK, go ahead. 2 Cor 7 seems to show this situation resolved. Careful on your allegations. As far as the homosexuality thing, there was no need to comment on that. The Torah that Yah'shua and Paul followed was VERY clear on that matter, and nobody was disputing this. |
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35 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175645 | ||
So maybe the actual church Swordman goes to allows polygynous marriage....... Is he OK then? After all, if he does have several wives, and did not get state licenses for more than one of them, he breaks no civil law. And if the church he goes to allows polygyny, then he breaks no laws of his church, thus is under their authority. And Scripture read as a whole does not condemn polygyny, so therefore he has not sinned, either. Where, then, is the problem? |
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36 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175646 | ||
I must say then, that according to your logic, Adam and Eve sinned by not having a marriage license. They didn't have protection for their children in case something went wrong. You accuse those who would live this way in simple trust of their heavenly Father of being foolish. Have you never read Matt 6:34 and thought to apply it to your life. Why trust man and his social programs for your security when your heavenly Father cares much more for you than they ever could? | ||||||
37 | Who had 700 wives? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175677 | ||
Solomon the king, David's son with Bathsheba | ||||||
38 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175678 | ||
Interestingly enough, the law you point out was the law of jealousy for a man with his wife. There was no law of jealousy for a woman towards her husband. It was the woman on trial for adultery in this case. The husband suspected infidelity and this was to be a special test from Yahweh himself to prove or disprove her guilt. Yes, adultery is possible, the married woman somehow made her husband suspicious. But nowhere was a man called for adultery for taking more than one wife, nor was provision given for a jealous wife. |
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39 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175679 | ||
Hugh is pointing out that the specific area Jesus was addressing was DIVORCE. That in the beginning DIVORCE was not so. What Hugh is pointing out is that Scripture had plenty of places to condemn polygyny, and did not. Had David divorced one of his wives, then he would have cause her to commit adultery, and thus broken the "from the beginning it was not so" I suppose somehow in all the self-righteousness of churchdom so many people feel so good now that they have made themselves better than men Scripture calls righteous. I suspect that's really what this is all about. Elevating one'self to somehow be better than someone Scripture called righteous figuring that if they are more righteous than David, Abraham, Gideon and Joash, that then they are guaranteed a place in heaven. Sure...... that'll work..... |
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40 | Does God endorse polygamy? | 1 Kin 11:3 | Face | 175680 | ||
If indeed David sinned by taking more than one wife, why didn't Nathan the prophet point that out at the same time he pointed out adultery and murder? You are accusing David of sin. Scripture didn't accuse him of sin in this area, it accused him of sin where sin was. The taking of another man's wife and having her husband killed as a cover-up. 1Ki 15:4 Nevertheless for David's sake did the LORD his God give him a lamp in Jerusalem, to set up his son after him, and to establish Jerusalem: 1Ki 15:5 Because David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite. Hmmm, care to dispute Scripture? |
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