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81 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118749 | ||
Hi Hank: I don't mind in the least your responsse to this thread. Let me ask you this in reference to your first point. IS KJV better than New World Translation ? If as many on this forum claim that NWT is not right, then you have not taken that stranger's or translator's word on trust, but you have tested what they wrote to see if it is true. That is all I am saying. We need the Holy Spirit as an outside source to test all things we hear and read. Once we know the scriptures are authentic through this same source, we have a wealth of good advice to draw on, provided the Spirit open it to us. Knowing God. If you were to read carefully again what I wrote you will find that I do not equate knowing the scriptures to knowing God. I clearly understand that knowing God is possible without knowing any scriptures at all. Adam knew God. Did he have scriptures? Eve knew God. Abel knew God. Enoch knew God. Noah knew God. Abraham knew God. Moses knew God. Did any of these have scriptres to go by? Did God not reach them without the aid of scriptures? He did so through Holy Spirit speaking directly to ones whom HE chose. Moses and all of the above knew God before any of the OT scriptures were written, or heard of. Therefore one can know God without having access to scriptures, at least in the past. But what about from the time of Christ to today? Does one have to hear the gospel to be saved ? All the people living in the Americas since the time of Christ to the time of Columbus better hope so. It is probably a safe bet to assume the gospel was not preached in the Americas before that time. Yet is says in trustworthy scriptures that "Christ died ONCE and for ALL." This "ALL" would have to include a lot of people who never heard the gospel, else they are not included and Chist did not die for them. A native living in North America would have had the same chance of being saved as anyone in Jerusalem shortly after the death of Christ. If this were not so, God would be a respecter of persons which it clealy states He is not. John 14:6 " I am the way" It does not actually say one has to read the gospel to reach Him. It does not say the gospel is the way,but that Christ is. If you can find a passage that says one has to read or hear the gospel to be saved let me know. Act 4:12 Also simply states that one is saved by Christ and no one else. No mention of reading scriptures here either. That is a notion erroneously assumed to be the case. John 20:31 Having the scriptures available for reading surely can be helpful, but not having them or not being able to read cannot be an obstacle to salvation, since most people throughout history have not been able to read, or have a bible. This passage states that the scriptures are good for learning abut Christ, but does not state not having them means one is excluded from salvation. Hebrews 1:1 says that God can communicate in many ways. In the last days, He communicated through His Son. This SON , before He left, said He would send the Holy Spirit to teach us, so we can believe that the Spirit is here, and dwells in us to teach us as Christ said it would happen. Is it hard to believe that Natives in North America before Columbus could also have received the Holy Spirit to teach them the things of God, if they showed an interest in knowing Him? Is it easier to believe that they were left out of the offer of salvation when it is written Christ died ONCE for ALL? Romans 1:16 Of course Paul was no ashamed of the good news he taught to people. Neither am I. The gospel is a treasure to be sure, and if believed, and followed, it leads to salvation. This passage also does not address the case where one never hears it, and that having not heard it cannnot be saved. That is read into this passage erroneously again if it is. 2 Tim 2:15 It is good to handle the words of the gospel well as it is stated, but again mention of those that have not heard the gospel, so draw no conclusion that those who do not hear it are excluded. They have another avenue (NOT another Saviour). Hebrews 4:12 Sure the word of God is all it claims here, but the scriptures being wholly the word of God, are not the entire word of God. There's more that we have not yet heard. The Holy Spirit is able to teach anything to any one God wishes. The Spirit can not only teach what is written of the word of God in scriptures, It can teach the word of God that is not written to one who read scriptures or one who has never seen or heard of them. I think I have answered to all your passages listed, and do not believe any one of them excludes God reaching people directly throughHoly Spirit as He should be doing with you. HOW CAN PEOPLE KNOW IF THEY HAVE NOT HEARD? HOW CAN THEY HEAR UNLESS A TEACHER IS SENT? Explanation to follow: |
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82 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118767 | ||
Hi Hank: Hi again Hank How Christ can reach people who have not heard the gospel. COMMENTS IN CAPITALS Romans 10:12 For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." EVERYONE MEANS NO EXCEPTION, WHETHER ONE HAS ACCESS TO A BIBLE OR NOT.(MOST THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE NOT HAD ACCESS TO A BIBLE) IT IS POSSIBLE TO CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WITHOUT HAVING ACCESS TO THE GOSPEL. PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FROM THE BEGINNING WHEN THERE WAS NOT YET THE WRITTEN GOSPEL. 14 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can they preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!" GOOD NEWS IN THIS CONTEXT DOES NOT MAN "GOSPEL" ONLY, SINCE ISAIAH WAS ONE WHO WAS SENT TO SPREAD IT. 16 But not all the Israelites accepted the good news. For Isaiah says, "Lord, who has believed our message?" 17 Consequently, faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word of Christ. WORD OF CHRIST DOES NOT START AND END WITH THE GOSPEL. THE GOSPEL IS HOWEVER A HELPFUL PART. _______________ This passage to many means that believers need to spread the WORD (interpreted gospel), in order that people may be saved,but read on and we see that this "news" has always been here, and is being sent today to all. Romans 10:18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world." ______ Whose voice has gone into all the earth? Whose words went to the ends of the world? Many say the apostles with the gospel. This passage does not mean the gospel at all, because it did not exist at the time the voice went out to all the world and the word to the ends of the earth.This passage is a quote taken from Psalms, and the word and voice had gone out long before him. The words and voice it speaks of here is explained in Psalms 19:19:1 For the director of music. A psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. 3 There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. 4 Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world. This speaks of the message God displays on His creation, that man should know there is a God and seek to know Him. Anyone who calls on HIm through hearing his "voice" or hearing His word will be saved. This passage and the one in Romams 10 above cannot be refering to the Gospel alone, because the gospel was unknown in much of the world at the time the passages were written. Jesus created everything, and nothing was created without him it says. Therefore one hearing of seeing His majesty through what he made, and calls on the one who created it, then he is calling on Christ, and through calling on Him will be saved. There is no one outside this promise, regardless of where he is born, or the culture he is born in. Everyone has to overcome the obstacles a culture sets up as stumbling blocks, and call on Christ who created all things and worship Him. No matter how isolated, all have access to the voice and word so as to attain to salvation by giving it the attention it is due. Christ would send the Holy Spirit in these days to one living in a primative and isolated spot with no bible just as soon as he would send it to me with 5 translations of the gospel on the computer. How can God reach people if they do not have a copy of the Gospel. IN the very gospel we have and believe it says he has MANY ways. In these last days, through the sacrifice of Christ he has made the Holy Spirit available to all whom he chooses, and all have equal opportunity in a fair and just system. Simply stated: Christ was crucified, and through that event, ALL have opportunity to be saved, and receive Holy Spirit, if they call on Him. For ALL to have opportunity, means knowing the scriptures is not a prerequisite to salvation. But calling of God is. We can have knowledge far in excess as what is written in the bible, and be worth nothing (if we have not love). 1 Corr 13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. All the law is satisfied IF we love God, and our neighbour. This is not complicated, and can be understood by plain and simple folk without even having an education. If we stive hard to practise those two things, God will provide us with all else we need for life. Sincerely Henry and Emmy. |
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83 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118773 | ||
Hi Hank: This is a quick one. I tried to lay out a clear explanation to you. Hope they were not too long May I state that I have no intention of making the scriptures less than they are. They are a miracle and wonder to us. It is perhaps the only book that is so simple in its messages yet impossible to believe without God actually helping through the Spirit. We believe it from cover to cover. For believers to have differing opinions about a passage is not surprising. SOme know more than others. We do believe the scriptures are trustworthy of course. A non believer thinks it untrustworthy. Someone at some time must prove to the unbeliever that the scripture is truth. The Holy Spirit does this. From a believer's view point, it is not testing what the scriptures say is true or false, but how others interpret what they think it means. The scriptures are often twisted to suit the situation, and those doing it can try to convince others of the incorrect intertretation. That is what we all have to test. We have to test every interpretation of others, not the scriptures themselves once we believe that they are God's word. Sincerely Henry and Emmy. |
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84 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118776 | ||
Hi Steve: A reread will show that I said God communicates in many ways. I did not say Holy Spirit to any specific person listed that I recall. Define scripture. SIncerely Henry and Emmy |
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85 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118808 | ||
Hi Steve: I covered your main question already. Romans 10:14 is a quote from Psalms, and that the voice was heard from the beginning, and word went out into the entire world long before the gospel was in place, and so this passage does not mean what you think it means. Your point "someone to share the gospel is a requirement for hearing. The voice and word is not "someone" speaking Read the Psalm again and see if it is not the evidence of God's creation that gives voice that God is, and gives word that God is. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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86 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118811 | ||
Hi Seve: He still communicates in different ways. eg. Christ, Holy Spirit, Dreams, speaking in tongues. I know that some of the Patiarchs were visited directly by Christ. Abraham and Moses would be examples I can think of right off the bat. I do not believe that All Patriarchs were contacted by God through the Holy Spirit. Not quite sure where you got that from when readin g my posting. SIncerely Henry and Emmy. |
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87 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118814 | ||
God had Jesus speak for HImwhile He was here. When He left the Spirit was sent to teach us. This Spirit has to be accessible to All. I cannot conceive of ALL having heard the scriptures, can you? That is really the point. The gospel is the gospel whether in writing or in word. There are literally millions who have never read or heard it. How can they be saved? Are you saying that one who has not heard the gospel cannot be saved? Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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88 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118816 | ||
Thanks for the definition of scripture Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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89 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118822 | ||
Hi Colin: Revelation is revelation whether from nature or other sources. They are both valid because they are from God. Each serves it own purpose. Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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90 | reassurance of lambs book of life | Rev 20:15 | Emmy | 118825 | ||
Romans 1:19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse. This says that from the very beginning God made HImself evident through creation, and because this has always been sufficient to make connection with God. There is no reason why this is not still so. Once having made the connection, God will supply all that is needed for eternal life by whatever means that is. In these last times it is through Christ by the Holy Spirit. I think it is assumed incorrectly that the Spirit cannot teach all that is required to know so that one is saved through Christ, though having never heard or read the scriptures, they are without excuse. If this is not how the natives of North America from Christ's time to 1492are to connect to God, and receive life, how could they be saved, having no access to the gospel either in word or in writing ? Is it possible that an North American Indian of that time period looked at creation as it states here, and tried to draw close to the creator, and was saved through Jesus the redeemer of all that are redeemed, and the only redeemer. If it was possible for an Indian to be redeemed, or saved he/she would be saved by no other than Christ. If it were not possible, then Jesus did not die for ALL, but just for some who had access to hearing or reading the gospel. If the hearing or reading of the gospel is really essential for salvation, one must conclude the vital part of the gospel required by these Indians must have somehow reached them. before whiteman arrived. How could one explain that? Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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