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461 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 51603 | ||
Joe, Thanks for the response. I did have to smile, when, after sending my post I saw your post only two slots below mine and addressing the "alone" principle on another thread. I have stayed out of the debate for a number of reasons. One being that I am not aware of exactly what the theology of the Church of Christ is on baptism other than the fact that they obviously believe it is necessary and regenerative. How they believe that is effected I do not know. Emmaus |
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462 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 51609 | ||
Hank, Thank you. Emmaus |
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463 | Was it complete? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 54405 | ||
Hank, I saw the accusation and its context and thought it so preposterous that it was unworthy of a response, although you immediately dusted him off quite easily. Perhap I was remiss in not responding myself since you have come to my defense on numerous occasions. This forum really does need your wit and humor to balance the other sometimes absurd postings. I have become much more selective about which posts I respond to an even then I often regret taking some of the bait thrown out. I think it might sometimes be better to let much of the nonsense posted sink to the bottom without acknowledgement. However, passive resistance does not seems to be the preferred mode of defense here. So I salute you the Happy Warrior, Joe the Razor of the Reformation, Tim the Titan Moran and all the other defenders of clear thinking on this forum. Though we may on occassion nick one another in the chaos of battle you usually slay with humor. Emmaus |
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464 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 56988 | ||
Estelle, "Unlike BC, today we do not 'atone' for sin because it is impossible to pay the price for it (although Catholicism believes otherwise). Jesus' blood washes us clean as we pray for God's forgiveness of both known and unknown sin in our lives. As we continue to seek truth, we should ask the Holy Spirit to reveal our sins to us so that we can confess them specifically and turn from them with the help of God (see John 3:21)." Actually Catholics do not believe otherwise. Catholics believe the atoning blood of Christ and only the blood of Christ washes us clean and achieves for us eternal salvation. This is the primary subject matter of the New Testament. There is a distinction,however, between eternal and temporal atonement and salvation. The Old Testament deals in essence with temporal salvation and atonement. The Old Testament rarely if ever in unabiguous terms refers to eternal salvation and atonement. Usually it refers to temporal salvation, such as deliverance from slavery in Egypt or physical death or the various other enemies of Israel or from plagues that Israel may or may not have brought upon itself by sin. It is mainly the temporal consequence of sin we see addressed in the Old Testament when sin is addressed. A few examples from among hundreds of examples to consider: I wait for thy salvation, O LORD. Raiders shall raid Gad, but he shall raid at their heels. Gen 49:18-19 And Moses said to the people, "Fear not, stand firm, and see the salvation of the LORD, which he will work for you today; for the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall never see again. The LORD will fight for you, and you have only to be still." Ex 14:13-14 Because the LORD your God walks in the midst of your camp, to save you and to give up your enemies before you, therefore your camp must be holy, that he may not see anything indecent among you, and turn away from you. Duet 23:14 Now therefore stand still, that I (Samuel) may plead with you before the LORD concerning all the saving deeds of the LORD which he performed for you and for your fathers. 1 Sam 12:7 "Man is also chastened with pain upon his bed, and with continual strife in his bones; so that his life loathes bread, and his appetite dainty food... His soul draws near the Pit, and his life to those who bring death. If there be for him an angel, a mediator, one of the thousand, to declare to man what is right for him; and he is gracious to him, and says, "Deliver him from going down into the Pit, I have found a ransom; let his flesh become fresh with youth; let him return to the days of his youthful vigor"; then man prays to God, and he accepts him, he comes into his presence with joy. He recounts to men his salvation, and he sings before men, and says: "I sinned and perverted what was right, and it was not requited to me. He has redeemed my soul from going down into the Pit, and my life shall see the light." Job 33:19-28 And although the NT is concerned primarily with etrnal salvation we also see even there the concept of temporal salavation: And when he got into the boat, his disciples followed him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but he was asleep. And they went and woke him, saying, "Save, Lord; we are perishing." Matt 8:23-25 And when he got into the boat, his disciples followed him. And behold, there arose a great storm on the sea, so that the boat was being swamped by the waves; but he was asleep. And they went and woke him, saying, "Save, Lord; we are perishing." Matt 27:42 "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people, and has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David, as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old, that we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all who hate us; Luke 1:68-71 And Peter answered him, "Lord, if it is you, bid me come to you on the water." He said, "Come." So Peter got out of the boat and walked on the water and came to Jesus; but when he saw the wind, he was afraid, and beginning to sink he cried out, "Lord, save me." Jesus immediately reached out his hand and caught him, saying to him, "O man of little faith, why did you doubt?" Luke 14:28-31 Man can be a temporal savior by physically saving someone even as Jesus reached out with his hand to save Peter from drowning or by feeding the starving man. And man can atone for the temporal consequence of sin such as by making restitution for theft or destruction of anothers' goods and there by removing the hardship caused and bringing reconciliation and perhaps removing the temporal consequence of his own incarceration for his sin. It is only in this tempral sense that Catholics believe in atonement. Emmaus |
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465 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57045 | ||
teragram123 If the words and doctrine are correct(true), but the actual walking out in faith deficient, where does the fault lie, with the teacher or the individual? It is not just knowing the truth that sets you free, but walking it out in faith. Even the catechism passages you quote do not talk about washing away the stain of sin only the temporal consequences of sin. Catholics who truly believe in the atoning blood of Jesus do manifest it in their lifes and their religion. They too know the truth are free indeed. Emmaus |
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466 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57119 | ||
I expect from the phrasing of your question that you have more questions than would be fair to be covered here. I live in Baltimore too and will be happy to meet you in person. Please name a time and place on a Saturday morning and I will be happy to have breakfast with you. Emmaus |
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467 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57124 | ||
dasev, You question reminds me of a commom practice among Catholics when I was young. Many Catholics then actually were "card carrying." They carried a card in their wallet or pocket that said: "I am a Catholic. In the event an emergency please call a priest." Some still follow that practice, but I suspect that is not that custom to which you were referring. Emmaus |
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468 | why is it ok for Catholic priests to... | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57126 | ||
Estelle, It was not my intention to stir up such a hornets' nest nor to start a catechism class on Catholic sacraments. I merely wished to correct a misrepresentation of Catholic belief. I do not assume any ill will on your part in making the comment. I presume you are misinformed. A review of my postings will show that I have already addressed a number of these subjects at the request of others, not on my own initiative. In reference to your questions on Confession please go to the search function on the right hand of the screen and type in ID# 38541 and click on SEARCH. When you get to that thread go down until you get to my post dated 3-12-02, 6:37 pm. I covered this ground with Ed at that time in a series of posts. Emmaus |
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469 | why is it ok for Catholic priests to... | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57129 | ||
Estelle, I will answer a few question I may not have covered in the previous posts to which I referred you. "However, I see a distinction between salvation and punishment, which you seem to imply are the same (correct me if I am wrong)." You have the wrong impression. I do not see salvation and punishment as the same. It is from eternal punishment that we are saved. Sometimes even after sin has been forgiven the temporal consequences remain as in the case of David and Bathseba. See 2 Samuel 12:1-23. My only purpose was to make a distinction between eternal salvation and atonement and temporal salavtion and atonement. God operates in both spheres as He chooses or does not choose. We can operate only in the temporal. "Where in the Bible (please do not include the Apocrypha) does it say that a person does not need to bear testimony against those who have done wrong against the laws of the land? Wouldn't the priest not become an accomplice? And how does he know to weigh the sin of the murderer or thief against the pain experienced by the injured party or party's family?" Nothing prevents the sinner from confessing to the civil authorities. In fact he may be obliged to as a sign of repentence. I suspect more murderers confess after being caught by civil authorities than before. Of course I don't known because I have never heard of any priest breaking the seal of confession, athough I have heard of a case of civil prison authorities secretly and illegally bugging a room where a prisoner met a priest for confession. They had to confess that one when their sin was exposed. Imagine the furor that would have ensued if they had bugged the room where attorneys met with their clients. Can give me one example of Jesus reporting to any authority the sins of any of those whose sins he had forgiven? The priest is nothing but a stand-in for Jesus. The Catholic view of sacraments is that they are encounters with Christ. The minister of a sacrament is merely a stand-in. In the sacrament of matrimony the spouses are the ministers of the sacrament to one another. In that sacrament the priest or deacon is merely an official witness for the Church. Emmaus |
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470 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57131 | ||
dasev, "those who ascribe to roman catholic doctrine in its totality really are not intellectualy honest regarding history or the Word." dasev Really? Maybe next time I go to confession I will confess someone else's sins following your example. Catholics are normally in the habit of confessing their own. Emmaus |
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471 | why must Catholics doubly confess (2) | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57232 | ||
Estelle, Would you please break it down into specific simple sentence questions? You covered a lot of territory there: is it fair that an emotionally drained priest may assigns too many rosaries, what good are rosaries anyway, can one confess to a priest and be forgiven for a sin when they have not repented of the sin or confessed it to God or the other party wronged (the answer to that one, if I have phrased it correctly is; no, one cannot be forgiven without repentence or confession to God), where is purgatory in the 66 books of the bible, what about your brother going to the church when he cannot reconcile with you you after you have sinned against or wronged him? I am not being facetious. I just want be be sure that I clearly understand your questions and have them clearly stated in an orderly fashion. Do I have them listed accurately or would you like to correct my undersatnding of your questions? My questions to you would be these: Did my previous posts to which I referred you answer any of your other questions? Why should we even confess to God since He knows our every thought? I believe we must because we are commnaded to by God in scripture, but would like to know your explanation of why you think God tells us we must other than for His glory. How do you interpret James 5:14-15 in light of these other passages: John 20:21-23Mark 6:13; Matt 16:18-19; Matt 9:1-8; 2 Cor 2:10-11; Acts 19:18; Matt 3:6;Luke 10:9,16;Hebrews 12:12-13; 1 Cor 9:27; 2 Cor 2:5-10? Emmaus |
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472 | Thankful To Be Alive! | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57399 | ||
Hank, Good to see you still posting from this side. Thank God for giving you more time with us through the ministrations of the doctors. Just don't go getting all serious on us. Emmaus |
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473 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57405 | ||
Estelle, I haven't heard back from you. But to keep it brief, let me say that in over 50 years of being a Catholic I do not recall once ever being assigned a whole rosary as a penance let alone a slew of rosaries. Nor have I ever suffered any kind of abuse, spiritual or physical from any priest before whom I was making a confession. I was once assigned a penance of taking my wife out to dinner, which neither of us found to be excessive or harsh. Why it didn't seem like penance at all. I really can't recall but my wife may have suggested that I confess more often shortly thereafter. Catholics can and do reconcile with others without benefit of the sacrament of Confession. In fact only serious or mortal sins must be confessed in the sacrament, but the confession of all sins is encouraged as a spiritual discipline. Confession itself is a spiritual discpline and it is humbling, but it is also spiritually refreshing. Catholics can and do choose the priest to whom they wish to confess, in fact they are encouraged to do so carefully. And personality can come into play on both sides. Confession can be anonymous and behind a screen or face to face. If the penitent feels he or she is not being properly understood or dealt with even in regard to the penance assigned, they are free to express that to the priest and or go to another priest. If you are interested in the formal teaching of the Church on this question, here is a link to that section of the Cathechism. http://www.christusrex.org/www1/CDHN/healing.html#HEALING Here is another link for your question regarding Purgatory. You may or may not agree with the explanations on either subject, but you will at least have a correct understanding of what Catholics believe in these matters. http://www.catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp Emmaus |
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474 | deeds of the law | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57827 | ||
dasev, One on one is fine with me. Emmaus |
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475 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57829 | ||
dasev, "Note: dear Emmaus, submitted for review and comment: Daniel 9 vs 4 to 19 Psalm 106 vs 6 Leviticus 26 vs 40 Job 1 vs 5 Nehemiah 1 vs 5 to 7 dasev" dasev, All examples of individuals confessing to God their personal sins and the corporate sins of the family to which they belong (Israel). Am I to understand that when you confessed the sin of Catholics being intellectually dishonest that you were including yourself within that Catholic body? The people in all your citations were clearly including themselves in the body of Israel whose sin they were confessing. Emmaus |
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476 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57833 | ||
dasev, In that case I would view your statement as prejudice since it prejudges all Catholics. Emmaus |
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477 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57843 | ||
dasev, Your leap of logic and citations leaves me speechless. I can only hope my condition will not be construed as intellectual dishonesty. Emmaus |
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478 | why must Catholics "doubly" confess? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 57960 | ||
dasev, I was pointing out that you, by stating that "those who ascribe to roman catholic doctrine in its totality really are not intellectualy honest regarding history or the Word" were confessing the sins of others. That is being the accuser. We do know who the accuser of sins is. Christians as I understand scripture are to confess their own sins or as a corporate body the sins of their own group. You chose to "confess" to Estelle the alledged sin (intellectual dishonesty) or sins of a body to which you do not belong. Perhaps you should follow the biblical example of confessing your own sins or those of the body to which you belong if you feel the urge. It is apparent from your comments that you know very little about the Catholic faith as it it understood by Catholics. Your understanding of Catholic doctrine about confession is completely deficient in that you make assumptions that are totally inaccurate (i.e that Catholics can not or do not confess their sins to God other than in a confessional booth to a priest). It is one thing to understand correctly another's position and disagree with it. It is an entirely other thing to misunderstand and misrepresent another's position and then assault that caricature of the true position. Your comments fit into the latter category. I hope that your comments are made in ignorance and not with malice. My I suggest that before you attack the faith of another, you first learn about it from someone who is qualified to teach it accurateley, preferably one who believes that faith. You ask if I am "a member of the r.c. church., and if so what order." This also display basic ignorance about Catholics. Most Catholics are lay people and do not belong to any order or religious congregation. Indeed, even most priests do not belong to any "order". Since you are not a Catholic, may I suggest you avoid that area and stick to what you know. I have no idea what your faith background is and I would not presume to comment on what your Church teaches if I did. You asked before if I was a "card carrying Catholic" and if so you had questions. Being in the questioner's seat is a good place for you to be on the subject of Catholicism, because you have yet to give an accurate answer on that subject. Emmaus |
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479 | Was Hitler a Christian? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 59778 | ||
Vanessa, Hitler was an apostate Christian who had been baptized as a Catholic, as was that other luminary castro. Stalin was a Russian Orthodox seminarian before he becam an atheistic Marxist. Hitler was eseentially a neo-pagan who was attempting to replace Christianity and it's root Jusdaism with a neo-pagan German occultic naturalism. He was just starting with the Jews and other minorities first before he moved on to a full scall assault against Christianity. Emmaus |
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480 | Was Hitler a Christian? | Bible general Archive 1 | Emmaus | 59783 | ||
Vanessa, For documentation on Hilter's plan to destroy the Church go to this link at Rtgers University Neuremberg Project and scroll down to click on "First Installment Winter 2001". http://www-camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/ Emmaus |
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