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561 | Why no prophets anymore? | 1 Cor 14:5 | Beja | 235850 | ||
EdB, Hey, I appreciate what you are saying. "it is my understanding that any one theological positon I s not t be championed." The only distinction here is that this principle is that the forum shouldn't champion a view. But certainly we are to grant individuals the right to champion a view. It is precisely when we do NOT allow an individual to champion a view that the FORUM begins to champion a view. Doc, posted his view as an individual holding to a particular theological stance. So long as the forum doesn't restrain the opposing view, or a poster doesn't contentiously belittle a POSTER for holding that view, it isn't censure. An individual has the freedom to say a certain view is in their estimate, wrong. You champion certain views. I champion certain views. We each champion certain views. The fact that we are allowed to do so is the very essence of the forum NOT championing a view. Now granted there are two big limitations. First, the forum has set certain boundaries such as Sola Scriptura. Second, my championing my view ought never to be mixed with my attacking another poster rather than my discussing the merits of his view. Being a jerk doesn't have to go hand and hand with voicing my views. The point being, forum fairness is not an obligation on individual posters to personally give equal support to views they don't hold. They just have to let others voice them. Don't you agree? In Christ, Beja |
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562 | Why no prophets anymore? | 1 Cor 14:5 | Beja | 235855 | ||
EdB, Obviously the hypothetical you have given is way out of bounds. However, in reviewing this thread I have not seen anything at all even remotely like that. Perhaps I have missed something. You hinted at private correspondence at one point. Perhaps the insult was in that. Unless of course you consider the cessassionist view to be inherently offensive itself. Keep in mind that the view by its very nature necessitates assigning the "false prophet" tag to those currently calling themselves prophets in the miraculous sense. To say that a person can not believe that modern "prophets" are false is to actually forbid the cessationist view point. Unless it is directed as a personal attack on somebody on the forum, we have to see it simply as the articulation of the view. Sure, its probably offensive to those who claim the title "prophet," but as you have said, this view is within the bounds of orthodoxy that the forum allows. But again, perhaps I've just missed what you are referring to. In Christ, Beja |
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563 | Why no prophets anymore? | 1 Cor 14:5 | Beja | 235867 | ||
EscarSmith, Perhaps, but you must then wrestle with why Paul encouraged the Corinthian church to desire that they might have the gift of prophecy above all other gifts. (1 Cor 14:1). In Christ, Beja |
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564 | Why no prophets anymore? | 1 Cor 14:5 | Beja | 235869 | ||
Escar, No, I'm afraid I'm not understanding how anything you said helps your position. First, I think you have failed to deal with 1 Corinthians 14. You have dismissed it as applying to translators for missions. However this has two serious faults. 1. You only addressed tongues, not prophecy. 2. Paul specifically singles this out for the church. 1 Corinthians 14:19 Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue. Now this was said in context of comparing prophecy with tongues. And again he says... 1 Corinthians 14:5 Now I want you all to speak in tongues, but even more to prophesy. The one who prophesies is greater than the one who speaks in tongues, unless someone interprets, so that the CHURCH may be built up. Clearly the prophecy is in and for the church, not foreign advancement. So I think you have failed to address the text successfully. Now that being said, I am ok with that. I don't need help solving this dilemma because I don't share your presupposition that John was the last prophet. In fact I don't see how I could possibly affirm that while at the same time affirming that Christ is my prophet, priest, and king. For Christ came after John. I merely pointed you to a passage with which you ought to wrestle with and have an answer in your own mind given your theological position regarding John. Since you seem to have your mind settled with regards to 1 Corinthians fourteen then all is well. I don't need to understand. My theological position needs no answer for it. In Christ, Beja |
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565 | Why no prophets anymore? | 1 Cor 14:5 | Beja | 235871 | ||
EdB, Peace friend. Perhaps my use of the idiom "way out of bounds" was unclear. I only meant that I would totally agree with you that any such post as your hypothetical example would be quite unwelcome on the forum. Second, as I suggested in my previous post, I apparently missed the quote you are reacting against. I have not seen the statement you quoted, can you give me the post number? In Christ, Beja |
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566 | Why no prophets anymore? | 1 Cor 14:5 | Beja | 235874 | ||
EdB, Well, I'm not sure what to say after looking it over. I can totally understand your taking offense. However, I'm pretty fond of hearing quotes from great Christians of the past, so I don't have an interest in censuring that. The down side of that is that those past Christians are not going to be in agreement with the modern pentacostal movement on any of there distinctive doctrines. Historic Christianity just won't agree with you. In addition, they weren't concerned with being politically correct about it, particularly Pink. So I don't know. I don't blame your reaction, but at the same time I think restricting awesome quotes from the past would be horrible idea. Regardless, my opinion on that issue is irrelevant, I simply thought I owed you a post acknowledging the validity of your taking exception to the post since I had engaged you in this thread about it. God bless, In Christ, Beja |
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567 | Why no prophets anymore? | 1 Cor 14:5 | Beja | 235877 | ||
EdB, At least you can understand my confusion. I came late to the thread and clicked on the thread name reading back through the posts to gain the context. From that view it appeared you had simply taken offense to somebody being cessationist. My apologies for the misunderstanding. Though I did say from the start that I felt I must have been missing something. ;) In Christ, Beja |
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568 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | Beja | 228274 | ||
Searcher, I do not want to answer for biblicalman, but I would suggest that it is coming into being through the Spirit working through the gospel. Eph 2:19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints, and are of God's household, Eph 2:20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone, Eph 2:21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, Eph 2:22 in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling of God in the Spirit. In Christ, Beja |
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569 | Don't understand Revelation and 1 Cor 15 | 1 Cor 15:28 | Beja | 228283 | ||
Biblicalman, Amen. I can't help but wonder if you are a fellow amillenialist. Regardless, I agree with your post. In Christ, Beja |
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570 | How can the Son at the end be subject be | 1 Cor 15:28 | Beja | 228431 | ||
Oldone, You said, "What this verse is telling me God and Christ became one, Like, body and soul. Another way I look at it is that Jesus was the man that God became." We understand clearly from John 1 that The Word was eternally with God and distinct from God, even though He actually was of the very same as God. We see that it was this Word which became flesh in Christ. So we should not think that the Father became flesh, nor should we think that Christ was ever a man while not being deity and somehow God later merged with him. Christ was the Word become flesh from the moment He was created in the womb. Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Joh 1:2 He was in the beginning with God. Joh 1:3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. Joh 1:14 And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth. In Christ, Beja |
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571 | How can the Son at the end be subject be | 1 Cor 15:28 | Beja | 228445 | ||
Oldone, Yes, that is what I am saying. In Christ, Beja |
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572 | How can the Son at the end be subject be | 1 Cor 15:28 | Beja | 228487 | ||
Oldone, Have you never heard of the trinity? God exists eternally in three persons. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Three persons, one God. How do you explain Philipians 2:1-12? What you are saying is a heresy called modalism that has been rejecting by the Church for well over a thousand years. In Christ, Beja |
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573 | How can the Son at the end be subject be | 1 Cor 15:28 | Beja | 228492 | ||
Oldone, I think your sense of offense is misplaced. Read back over the thread and I think you will see that you presented yourself as if my statement of Christ being coeternal with the Father was something new to you. Indeed, you came across as if it was so new and unheard of that you needed time to figure out how to respond to it. What was I to conclude besides you had not heard of the doctrine of the trinity, or perhaps if you had heard of it then you hadn't heard it explained. Now if you were aware of the teaching and fully understood it and rejected it, you ought not to have acted if I was saying something new then gotten offended over my surprise. Luk 22:42 saying, "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me; yet not My will, but Yours be done." Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our abode with him. Eph 1:19 and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might Eph 1:20 which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, Joh 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. Mat 11:27 "All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him. Mar 15:34 At the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, "ELOI, ELOI, LAMA SABACHTHANI?" which is translated, "MY GOD, MY GOD, WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?" Joh 5:19 Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. Joh 8:54 Jesus answered, "If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, 'He is our God'; I weary of cutting and pasting. I do not deny the oneness of God, but any person ought to look at these passages and admit there is some sort of distinction between Christ and the Father. If you don't prefer the word persons, fine. You stress that scripture is clear on the oneness of God, yet scripture is also clear on the complexity within that oneness. In Christ, Beja |
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574 | How can the Son at the end be subject be | 1 Cor 15:28 | Beja | 228568 | ||
SeekTruth, See post 228492. Could you please explain the verses I stated in that post? In Christ, Beja |
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575 | How can the Son at the end be subject be | 1 Cor 15:28 | Beja | 228580 | ||
SeekTruth, I believe you have missed the crucial points here. For example where ephesians 1 says that Christ is seated at the right hand of the Father. Or that God, as other than Christ, actually raised him to seat him there. Whatever this "distinction" between the Father and Christ is, it allows them to sit next to each other. In Christ, Beja |
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576 | How can the Son at the end be subject be | 1 Cor 15:28 | Beja | 228581 | ||
SeekTruth, You said, "You'll find that there's a lot of common ground between us when we explain that." So what of the Holy Spirit being present at the same time as Christ? Christ seated next to the Father? The Father speaking from heaven audibly to the Son? I would expect you to answer that God can manifest Himself in these ways at the same time. So now lets find some common ground. If you grant... That God will manifest Himself for all eternity in the three forms of Father, Son, and Spirit, and that he does now and will do so for all eternity That these three manifestations of one God actually speak with each other, and enjoy each other, and otherwise interact with each other That they actually can give and be gifts to each other Act 2:33 "Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. Then take all of that and say that it is the permanent, eternal, expression of God of Himself to creation, THEN I think we will find that we have some common ground if not agreement. In Christ, Beja |
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577 | God glorified in suffering | 2 Cor 1:9 | Beja | 224128 | ||
For your edification, http://www.desiringgod.org/Blog/665_americas_ugly_exported_gospel/ In Christ, Beja |
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578 | how do you explain to someone that does | 2 Cor 4:6 | Beja | 224259 | ||
ddhome, Two things. 1.) Pray. 2 Corinthians 4:3-4,6 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing. In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. (on to verse 6) For God, who said, "Let light shine out of darkness", has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. Lets observe two things from this passage. First, it is not simply a lack of being convinced that hinder people from accepting the gospel of Jesus Christ, but rather it is a supernatural hindrince by the god of this world (Satan.) Second, the cure is not a better arguement, a nice power point, asking the right questions, and certainly not altering the gospel! Rather the cure is God himself shining light into their heart such that they understand the gospel. That they would perceive, "the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ." So we have supernatural obsticals for which nothing but the power of God will suffice to overcome. Therefore I say to you pray! Pray and pray until every word you speak to them has been saturated in prayer. 2.) Preach Christ crucified. Preach Christ dying specifically for OUR sins. Preach 2 Cor 5:21 "For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." While even our very ability to perceive the gospel to be what it is, is a divine act of God to open our eyes, even so God has appointed to divinely open our eyes in the preaching of the gospel. Romans 10:13-17 "For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, 'How beautiful are teh feet of those who preach the good news!' But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, 'Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?' So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ." See what it says here, faith comes from hearing the word of Christ. So therefore preach Christ! In summary, pray continually for the individual because their belief will not happen without a divine act of God (John 6:65.) And preah Christ, because God has chosen to do this wonderous act through the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ! (1 Cor 1:21). In Christ, Beja |
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579 | how do you explain to someone that does | 2 Cor 4:6 | Beja | 224267 | ||
lionheart, No, I haven't read that one in particular but I have read a few of those types of books. I use to be very interested in apologetics. Currently I'm watching a large video series which I bought from Answers in Genesis ( www.answersingenesis.org ) However, I think those things are primarily usefull for Christians to build up their faith and edify them. I don't think they serve a primary role in conversion, though I'm not suggesting that they hurt. I can't help but think to the passage about the rich man and lazarus. The rich man pleaded to Abraham that he would send Lazarus from the dead to his brothers. Abraham responded that he should listen to Moses and the Prophets. Lazarus countered that if one came up from the dead that then they would listen. The key response was when Abraham said that if they will not listen to Moses and the Prophets then they would not listen even though one should rise from the dead. I think so often we are of the same bent. We keep thinking that if we had more evidence they would listen; or perhaps if we had better facilities, more exciting events, a somewhat less judgmental gosepl etc etc etc. But the truth is if they will not listen to the scripture they won't listen. Because it is at the preaching of Christ that God has been pleased to shine that saving light into our hearts such that we would truely perceive the "light of the glory of God in the face of Christ." However, as stated, I do enjoy apologetics and have often been edified by such things. I just want the many people who may happen to read this post to never substitute them for the clear presentation of the gospel, for it is the gospel that is the power of God unto salvation. (Rom 1:16) My apologies, have been on vacation so I haven't preached in two weeks and I might be getting a little long winded as a result. In Christ, Beja |
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580 | Any other verses on Going to Heaven? | 2 Cor 5:8 | Beja | 227016 | ||
00123, 2Co 5:1 For we know that if the earthly tent which is our house is torn down, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2Co 5:2 For indeed in this house we groan, longing to be clothed with our dwelling from heaven, 2Co 5:3 inasmuch as we, having put it on, will not be found naked. 2Co 5:4 For indeed while we are in this tent, we groan, being burdened, because we do not want to be unclothed but to be clothed, so that what is mortal will be swallowed up by life. 2Co 5:5 Now He who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave to us the Spirit as a pledge. 2Co 5:6 Therefore, being always of good courage, and knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord-- 2Co 5:7 for we walk by faith, not by sight-- 2Co 5:8 we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. In Christ, Beja |
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