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1 | WHATSOEVER YOU ASK THE FATHER | Bible general | Movingon | 240163 | ||
Two Scritpures have been mentioned. One was: “Are you still saved if you don't forgive?” And "…whatsoever you ask the father in my name you shall have so that the father... etc." The confusion on these passage from John 14:13-14 and other similar passages of Matt. 6:14-15 is because we are applying Scripture to the church that belongs to Israel in the earthly kingdom the Lord was offering. One of the benefits of dispensationalism is a proper separation of the covenants and dispensations which are missing here. Nowhere did the Lord ever in His earthly ministry directly mention the present assembly of Christ. Since they were offering a restoration of the Davidic kingdom (Kingdom from heaven) then we have a completely different set of promises, requirements and goals from the Old Covenant gospels. In Zech. 12:6-10 we read of Israel in the days of the kingdom and the miraculous power of some: “In that day I will make the governors of Judah like a firepan in the woodpile, and like a fiery torch in the sheaves; they shall devour all the surrounding peoples on the right hand and on the left, but Jerusalem shall be inhabited again in her own place Jerusalem. The Lord will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater that of Judah. In that day the Lord will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the Lord before them. It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they have pierced; they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn”. Another among many is the confusion of the Lord’s words when He said: “But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.” Does that apply to us in this dispensation of grace? Years ago my barber an Armenian and I always discussed the Scriptures while he cut my hair and the forgiveness of sin came up and I asked him, if you sinned and before you confessed it what would happen? His immediate answer was: I would be lost. Well, we have the same problem about forgiving some ones sins such as the passage under consideration here if it applies to the present assembly of Christ. Again, we are mixing two different covenants, two different dispensations and a heavenly citizenship with an earthly one. Surely we can see the error of applying the gospels as New Testament and the gospel of the kingdom under the old Mosaic laws and Paul’s gospel of grace. It has been said that the gospels are an integral part of the New Testament. But Paul said of the Law which the Lord taught: “…the letter kills,” a “…ministry of death” and a “…ministry of condemnation” (2 Cor. 3:6-7, 9). Furthermore, twice (Gal. 1:8-9) Paul said of anyone who taught the necessity of keeping the law for salvation: “let them be accursed.” The very exact thing the Lord told a young man who asked what he had to do to have eternal life. He said to the young man: “…if you want to enter life, keep the commandments.” The Lord was only quoting what Moses wrote in Lev. 18:5. I told a man the Lord said the way to have eternal life was to keep the commandments. Then I told him Paul said if anyone taught that, “…let them be accursed. I Then asked him who are we to believe? And, is Paul contradicting the Lord? He had no answer. Then I explained to him that the Lord and Paul only taught what was required under the covenant in which they ministered, so there was no contradiction by either. Once on TV I was listening to what was supposed to be a minister of the gospel who said: “...the Lord and Paul did not always agree, so who are we to believe”? He then answered his own question: "...of course we believe the Lord.” With an audience of millions he had suggested that all the 14 epistles of Paul including the Hebrews letter could not be trusted. We have a similar problem with red letter bibles which suggests that the Lord’s words are more important than any other. Did Paul not say he was speaking the commandments of the Lord? (1 Cor. 14:37). Yet for some of my remarks it has been suggested elsewhere that I am a nitpicker and troublemaker. Well, I will leave that to the Lord. In His grace Movingon |
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2 | WHATSOEVER YOU ASK THE FATHER | Bible general | DocTrinsograce | 240170 | ||
Dear movingon, Despite the Campbellism advertising, there is a big problem here; i.e., making the Sermon on the Mount -- and, apparently, all the other places Christ mandates forgiveness -- as only applying to the Jews. A hermeneutic that is, by the way, unique to the antinomian dispensationalism to which you ascribe. (A kind of red-lettering distinction without a difference.) Nonetheless, if you dispense with the majority of the gospels as being inapplicable due to their being of "some other dispensation," then, at least in this instance, you will have to deal with the imperatives in passages mandating forgiveness (2 Corinthians 2:10-11; Ephesians 4:32; Colossians 3:13; 1 Peter 4:8) to Christian believers. In Him, Doc |
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