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1 | Adultery always involves married woman? | Bible general Archive 4 | DocTrinsograce | 233660 | ||
Dear Emeth, I agree that your definition of adultery is lacking Scriptural support. Since that is the foundation of your argument, the structure on which it is built is also faulty. Let me see if I can summarize: Adultery -- prohibited in Scripture (Exodus 20:14; cf Deuteronomy 5:18) is a form of stealing. It is taking of something that is not rightfully our own. Years ago we used to talk about "making an honest woman of her" or "making an honest man of him." I said something along these lines to a young woman living with a man, but whose marriage was scheduled in a few months. The woman said that if he wasn't honest already, he never would be. It occurred to me that she missed the meaning of the phrase entirely. Married people have specific privileges granted to them alone as married people (1 Corinthians 7:3-5). Taking those privileges outside of marriage is behaving as though they are married, without having the authority to do so; i.e., it is dishonest. You are not alone in your attempt to build a fence about a prohibition. This has been a long and well practiced approach by the Scribes (doctors of the law) and the Pharisees (pious religious leaders), even to this very day. God gave the commandments, on a mountain, through Moses in Exodus. Moses even went on -- under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit -- to carefully exposit these commands in Deuteronomy. Nevertheless, the Mishnah -- and later on the Talmud -- attempted to hedge about the commands with a variety of prohibitions that circumvented the heart of the issue. Consequently, our Lord Jesus Christ, also on a mountain, gave proper specifics about the commandments, contrary to the relaxing of them by the Scribes and Pharisees (Matthew 5:17-20). Of particular interest to the question of adultery is Christ's assertion found in Matthew 5:27-30. He zeros in to the heart of the matter. No more qualifications, no more hedging, no more over simplification; adultery is a matter of the heart. Therefore, I suggest you take a broader stand on the question, rather than a narrower stand. Do not limit it all to a set of dos and don'ts; but see the problem as something fundamentally lawless in our hearts -- something for which we have all been guilty -- something that shows the glorious righteousness of Christ. (Matthew 5:48) In Him, Doc |
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2 | Adultery always involves married woman? | Bible general Archive 4 | EmethAlethia | 233665 | ||
Hi doc, First, thank you for the time and effort you put in. First, let me give some of the passages that pertain to the issue at hand, as that may clarify some of the issues that we need to look at that pertain to the main issues at hand. Gen. 1:22, 28, 2:24, Gen. 3:16, 6:1, Chapter 8, Ex. 20:14, 21:10, Deu. 5:19, 17:17, 25:5-10, Lev. 18, 20:10, 2 Sam. 12:7-8, Psa. 127:3-5, Prov. 6:32, Jer. 3:8-9, 5:7, 7:9, 23:14, 29:23, Eze. 16:32, 23:37, Hos. 4:2, 13-14 , Mat. 5:27-28, 32, 19:9, 18, 22:24-28, Mar. 10:11-12, 19, Luke 16:18, 18:20, John 8:3-4, Rom. 2:22, 7:7, 13:9, 1 Cor. 6:15-7, 9, 10:6, 23, Gal. 5:16, 19, Eph. 5:31, 1 Thes. 4:3-9, 1 Ti. 3:1-2, 12, 2 Ti. 2:22, James 1:14-15, 2:11, 4:2, 2 Pet. 1:4, 2:10, 14, 1 Jn. 2:16-17, Rev. 2:22 I understand that often not seeing the meaning in one passage may result in us forming an unfounded or distorted opinion based on our incomplete data set. If you find any I have missed, let me know. To say that adultery is a form of stealing because of Deu. 5:18 being in proximity would mean that we could continue the pattern throughout: Deu 5:16 'Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, that your days may be prolonged and that it may go well with you on the land which the LORD your God gives you. Deu 5:17 'You shall not murder. Deu 5:18 'You shall not commit adultery. Deu 5:19 'You shall not steal. Deu 5:20 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. … Adultery is a form of dishonoring your mother and your father Adultery is a form of Murder Adultery is a form of Stealing Adultery is a way of bearing false witness against your neighbor, .. … I am quite sure that you are not attempting to do such a linking, but that you have other passages that discuss this in greater detail, and that you just forgot to include those in your example. The description of “Making an honest man / woman” of someone by marrying them does cover the concept of fornication. When fornication occurred, the man gained a(nother) wife, and the woman a husband, with no possibility of divorce. In the case of adultery, the stoning of both individuals left no need for future decisions as to what they should do, or could do. They were dead. The point that they were not honest in the first place, might better be, they were in disobedience to God’s commands in the first place, if we, and they, are “honest” about God’s commands. Dishonesty and either a failure to understand or obey scriptures, seem to be different concepts to me, but perhaps after rereading your note I will understand your meaning clearer. Dishonesty is when I know something other than what I say, or lead others to believe is true, is really true, and I know it. Deception is when I honestly believe something is true, but I am mistaken. Ignorance is when I do not know the truth at all, and simply do what I believe without any real foundation one way or the other. To state that all people who commit the specific form of fornication known as premarital sex are dishonest doesn’t seem to specifically apply to me. That said, perhaps you can offer me a clarification so I can understand what you mean as the definition of dishonest, and how it applies. |
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