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1 | OT laws repeated in NT | Bible general Archive 3 | Valoree | 179628 | ||
None. Actually, it would be the old covenant and the new covenant you are probably referring to. Jesus nailed the old covenant to the cross. He fulfilled it by walking in perfect love. The only "law" we have for us today is to love God with all our heart and to love others as Christ loves us. We are not under the law, and in fact, it was never given to 'us', it was given to the Jews in the first place. I'm sure glad of that. There is no way I could live up to it's standards, not would I want to. Hope that helps. Keep growing : ) Valoree |
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2 | OT laws repeated in NT | Bible general Archive 3 | kalos | 179629 | ||
About Postings "Postings must be Biblically based...Whenever possible, postings should include supporting Bible references..." To read more go to: www.studybibleforum.com/about.php Valoree, Welcome to the Forum. Grace to you, John |
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3 | OT laws repeated in NT | Bible general Archive 3 | Valoree | 179632 | ||
Hello John Grace to you, too!! My posting WAS biblically based. Read the Book of Hebrews - We are no longer under the supervision of the Law! The Law was put into effect to lead us to Christ. We are now lead by the Spirit - Who leads us into all Truth. Jesus is the Truth. Keep on growing : ) Valoree |
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4 | OT laws repeated in NT | Bible general Archive 3 | DocTrinsograce | 179638 | ||
Dear Valoree, The doctrine you are promulgating is called Antinomianism. It is considered heretical in most orthodox Christian circles. You will generally find, however, a consensus among many Americans who define it as you have done when they state "I am no longer under the law, but only under the law of love." "Antinomian: a.) Denial of the binding nature of any external laws on personal behavior, b.) Denial that the OT moral law remains in effect for Christians." --Data Rat Theological Terms "Antinomian: Literally, against the law. Antinomians teach that the law is no longer applicable in the life of the Christian. (see 'Legalism')." --Dictionary of Theological Terms, Don Matzat "Antinomy is derived from the two Greek words anti meaning 'over against' and nomos meaning 'law.' An antinomian is one who denies that there is any objective law or standard of obedience in the New Testament age to which the believer is accountable." --Revised Common Lectionary, Anglican Church One of the pillars of the Reformation was the importance of God's grace -- not the law. However, the Reformers did not repudiate God's law. Instead, they taught -- as Scripture teaches -- three uses of the law: 1. The law is a mirror (Romans 7:7; . It reflects the holy, perfect righteousness of God. It also reflects individually to each man -- yours and mine -- weakness, unrighteousness, and inability (Psalm 119:104; Proverbs 6:23; Romans 2:18; James 1:25). It is a very severe schoolmaster! But it highlights our need so that we may seek the Savior. 2. The law restrains evil in this world (Romans 3). The law has no power to change our hearts. But it does allow for a sort of justice until the last judgment. 3. The law reveals what pleases God. In every command of Scripture, we learn something of God. The regenerate children of God delights in the law, because God Himself delights in it (cf John 14:15-21). Dr. R. C. Sproul wrote, "By studying or meditating on the law of God, we attend the school of righteousness. We learn what pleases God and what offends Him. The moral law that God reveals in Scripture is always binding upon us. Our redemption is from the curse of God's law, not from our duty to obey it. We are justified, not because of our obedience to the law, but in order that we may become obedient to God's law. To love Christ is to keep His commandments. To love God is to obey His law." You cite Hebrews. However, a sound exegesis of this book reveals that it is contrasting the superiority of Christ to the ceremonial provisions of the law... which provisions pictured their ultimate, perfect fulfillment in Christ. The moral law is not abrogated. You might do well to study the other epistles that speak directly to the law. Scripture must always be understood in the light of Scripture. In Him, Doc |
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5 | OT laws repeated in NT | Bible general Archive 3 | Valoree | 179641 | ||
No, it is not antinomianism. I AM responsible for my behavior. I do not want to do things that are sinful because I am God's child and I am led by His Spirit who will not lead me to sin. If I sin, it is because of my stupid flesh. Please don't put labels on me that are not appropriate. The only label I want is that I am a child of God - not antinomian, Baptist, Presbyterian, et al. I am not promulgating a heresy. I am sharing Jesus Christ - Your response #1 is correct. The mirror shows us our faces are dirty and we need a Savior. #2 Romans chapter 3: There is no boasting v. 27, We will not nullify it, we will uphold it. Why would we uphold it? It has a purpose for unbelievers, not for believers. #3. God delights in it. Are we "under" it? No. I am not saying the Law is bad. In no way. The Law is good, but it has it's purpose - to lead us to Christ. So, perhaps you understand a little better of what I am saying now. In NO WAY am I easy on sin and we are free to just go on sinning our socks off. I don't want to sin because I have been bought with a price, a precious price. If I do sin, I have an advocate, Jesus. Remember, too that the New Covenant did not take effect until the death of Christ. He was born under the Law and taught it - in fact he amplified it to get under the skin of the pharisees - to show them their hypocrisy. Jesus was pointing us to His cross. I do understand Scripture in light of Scripture - Scripture is like a puzzle, the pieces all fit together. If you just take one piece and make a 'teaching' or a 'doctrine' out of it, you'll run into some problems. Hopefully, I have clarified some of what I said. Thanks for writing. Valoree ps: when you say moral law, are you referring to the 10 commandments? |
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6 | OT laws repeated in NT | Bible general Archive 3 | DocTrinsograce | 179643 | ||
Dear Valoree, My tendency is to apologize. However, my responsibility for theological nomenclature is apparently highly over rated. Although I'm well into my second half-century of life, the antinomian/nomian debates (and associated errors) preceed me by at least 1400 years. Augustine argues quite cogently on the subject. :-) Rather than take exception to a label, you should embrace it as a means of more easily communicating your doctrinal understanding to others. Handy things, labels, really. There are three components to the Mosaic Law: Civil, Ceremonial, and Moral. The decalogue would be included in the Moral Law. But the Moral Law is not solely comprised of the ten commandments. In Him, Doc "If the 'grace' you have received does not help you to keep the law, you have not received grace." --Dr. M. Lloyd-Jones "It is particularly noteworthy that sins which contravene the law (as breaches of the Ten Commandments) are also contrary to the sound doctrine of the gospel. So the moral standards of the gospel do not differ from the moral standards of the law. We must not therefore imagine that, because we have embraced the gospel, we may now repudiate the law! To be sure, the law is impotent to save us, and we have been released from the law's condemnation, so that we are no longer 'under' it in that sense. But God has sent His Son to die for us, and now puts His Spirit within us, in order that the righteous requirements of the law may be fulfilled in us. There is no antithesis between law and gospel in the moral standards which they teach; the antithesis is in the way of salvation, since the law condemns, while the gospel justifies." --John R.W. Stott "The Gospel of Christ is the only hope of fulfilling the law. In honoring the Son of God by acknowledging Him as Lord, we are in effect brought into a standing of having 'fulfilled' the law. No man can honor God without honoring the Son of God (John 5:23); He is the fulfillment of the law for the transgressor of the law, and there is no other fulfillment available or possible." --Bob L. Ross "What is the relation of the Law to the saint? Three answers have been given. First, that sinners become saints by obeying the Law. Second, that the Law is a rule of life for believers. Third, that the Law has nothing whatever to do with believers today. Those who give the first answer teach that the Law defines what God requires from man, and therefore man must keep it in order to be accepted by God. Those who give the second answer teach that the Law exhibits a standard of conduct, and that while this Old Testament standard receives amplification in the New, yet the latter does not set aside the former. Those who give the third answer teach that the Law was a yoke of bondage, grievous to be borne, and that it has been made an end of so far as Christians are concerned. The first answer is Legalism pure and simple: salvation by works; the second, relates to true Christian liberty; the third, is Antinomianism - lawlessness, a repudiation of God's governmental authority. The first view prevailed generally through the Medieval Ages, when Popery reigned almost supreme. The second view prevailed generally during the time of the Reformers and Puritans. The third view has come into prominence during the last century, and now is the popular belief of our day." --A. W. Pink "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matthew 5:17) "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail." (Luke 16:17) That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. (Romans 8:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. (1 John 3:4) |
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7 | OT laws repeated in NT | Bible general Archive 3 | Valoree | 179646 | ||
Well, I don't want to sin, but I'm not under the law. I don't want to drive 80 mph or I'll get a ticket. It is wrong. I don't want to murder anyone because it is a sin and it is wrong to do so. I will go to jail, etc. There are laws of the land - If I don't obey them I can go to jail, get into legal trouble. So I am just saying we are not under the law, like you quoted in Matthew, Jesus fulfilled the Law. Jesus taught under the Law. The New Covenant of God's grace did not go into effect until the death of Christ, not at the birth of Christ. You just do not have an understanding of Law and Grace, New Covenenant / Old Covenant, and that is O.K. I know what I believe and why I believe it. I know that it is not God's Law that keeps me from not sinning. It is His love and my response to His love. He loved us first and I am His child, like I said before. If you are still going to pin labels on me, I have nothing more to say to you because I am not going to argue with you or anyone. Bottom line - you don't understand. |
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8 | OT laws repeated in NT | Bible general Archive 3 | Hank | 179647 | ||
Valoree - Having known your correspondent Doc for some time and having had considerable exposure to his writings and his ideas, I must say that he is far more astute than you appear to give him credit for being. Moreover, in human dialogue the failure of the hearer to understand is often closely related to the failure of the speaker to communicate clearly. To a degree of which many of us are either unaware or unwilling to admit, we all of us live in glass houses and should throw stones cautiously and prudently, if indeed at all. Hank | ||||||
9 | OT laws repeated in NT | Bible general Archive 3 | Valoree | 179654 | ||
I never said Doc was not astute, he just may not understand what I believe to be true. You can be astute and not understand the meaning of Scripture. Or, you cannot be astute and still not understand the meaning of Scripture - because only the Holy Spirit can reveal the truth of the Scripture to us.It doesn't matter how young or how old you are, or if you quote from the writers who are deceased. What really matters is what are we going to do with Jesus Christ and what He did for us. I am not throwing stones. I will list some verses that clearly teach we are not under the Old Covenant but under the New Covenant. In human dialogue, the failure of the hearer to understand is often closely related to the fact that they have been brought up a certain way or have listened to man and not God. That was certainly my case. At any rate I will share God's Word that helped me to discover the Grace of God: I. The Purpose of the Law. A. The Law is for the lost. Romans 3:19-20 (New International Version) 19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. 1 Timothy 1:8-10 (New International Version) 8We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine. B. The Law Shows Man His Need for Salvation. Galatians 3:19-24 (New International Version) 19What, then, was the purpose of the law? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come. The law was put into effect through angels by a mediator. 20A mediator, however, does not represent just one party; but God is one. 21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22But the Scripture declares that the whole world is a prisoner of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe. 23Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. 24So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. II. What the Law is Powerless to Do. A. The Law Cannot Make us Righteous. Galatians 2:21 (New International Version) 21I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!" B. The Law Cannot Justify Us. Galatians 2:16 (New International Version) 16know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified. Galatians 3:11 (New International Version) 11Clearly no one is justified before God by the law, because, "The righteous will live by faith." C. The Law Cannot Give Life. Romans 7:10 (New International Version) 10I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. Galatians 3:21 (New International Version) 21Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. To be continued . . . |
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