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1 | Endorsing the TNIV, how can this be? | Bible general Archive 2 | justme | 99943 | ||
The TNIV is now a reality. On the Zondervan web site there is now a list of "Scholars, Pastors and Church leaders, and Evangelists". Some of us had the fortune to preview this version. I don't recall ANYONE involved with this Forum, considering this agenda ridden translation, worth giving any encouragement for publication. However there is a 17 page list of endorsements! For example Stuart Brisco, Randy Frazee, Philip Yancey, Ken Davis, Tim Stafford, just to name a few. Could anyone take the time to explain to me what these trusted Christians saw worthy in the TNIV? I saw the TNIV as a version that mistrannslated words to the inclusion of homosexuals, and the feminist agenda. Did I miss something or didn't these people read much of the review copy? What has gone wrong here? justme |
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2 | Endorsing the TNIV, how can this be? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 99944 | ||
Justme - I wish I could offer an informed explanation of why Zondervan's TNIV has received favorable endorsement from a few well-known leaders in the Christian world, but I can't. It's often a difficult and dangerous business to impugn the motives of others. One possibility that comes to mind is that there are doublessly some people who think that reading any translation is better than reading none at all. Yet this seems a shallow reason to endorse a translation that has taken so many liberties with the biblical text when there are so many other and better translations to choose for endorsement. Is it being too cynical to suggest the possibility that money may be involved? I don't know. Of course, there is also the apparent fact that there are those who do not see any problems in the translation. But I hold with those who do see problems in it. Sorry to give so unprecise an answer to an excellent question, another good product of your agile and inquiring mind! I hope your health is improving daily, my friend. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Endorsing the TNIV, how can this be? | Bible general Archive 2 | justme | 99961 | ||
Hank:-)Hank, greetings from the state the LDS church says has the true Garden of Eden, here in Missouri! The Lord is good. I am reminded that I believe in Romans, perhaps? Paul cautions us to be careful about what we approve of. That's my paraphrase. I think some would do well to rethink eendorsements. I believe You and some others also previewed the TNIV. I consider it close to the NRSV and other non-inclusive versions, or should I say non offensive to those in sin. I am very saddned by those who loaned theeir good name to such a poor mistranslation. My health is improving. I feel stronger each week, there are some side effects that are creeping up here and there. However over all I think the lord has extraordinarly blessed me beyond what I could ask for. I did not come with a 100,000 mile or 7 year warranty like my Dodge Dokata. Thanks for the response, and your kind thoughts and prayers. Blessings to you brother Hank. How are you doing by the way? justme |
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4 | Endorsing the TNIV, how can this be? | Bible general Archive 2 | Hank | 99963 | ||
Justme - In physical health, I'm doing just fine -- good report from my cardiologist on my six-month evaluation last week. .... Now I must tell you I'm undergoing a self-evaluation of my usefulness to the Forum and have thoughts of pulling out. I think everyone has a limit on how much in-fighting and bickering he can expose himself to without himself becoming cynical, bitter, and un-Christian in his thoughts and attitudes. I've seen a great deal of frustration, anger, and even animosity on this Forum and it disturbs me. It seems that by and large I've contributed very little to the solution of the Forum's problems and fear that in some ways I may have, in an effort to try to help solve some of the Forum's problems, inadvertently exacerbated them. ..... It is shameful when Christians come to believe so zealously in their own denominational orientation that they mistake it for the gospel of Christ. This is why Lockman put the ban on pushing denominational bias and debating. But even now the arguments go on, harmony does not prevail on the Forum, and I see precious little evidence of brotherly love and compassion being displayed on the pages of this Forum. I'm getting on in years, justme, and the time draws nearer when I can say I have (to a pitiful degree) fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith. Forums like this come and go. The fights fought here on petty differences of the faith and the opinions expressed here in the heat of those battles will wither as the grass and fade as the flower. But the word of our Lord will stand forever. It's Him and His word we should lift up on this Forum, not our worthless and puny opinions, not our denominational biases, not trying to win a point in some silly debating contest. .... God bless you, justme. Your kind spirit is refreshing to me. --Hank | ||||||
5 | Endorsing the TNIV, how can this be? | Bible general Archive 2 | justme | 99972 | ||
Hank:-( Ug! Well not about your good health, that's really good to hear! You sound tired and discouraged and your burden sounds heavy, brother. Moses was attempting to do so much he almost blew it. Moses was told from an unlikkely person to share the burdens or he would be crushed under it all. I am not sure self evaluation was quite what would have helped Moses find a solution to his being spred so thin. I honestly don't know why I came up with the thoughts about Moses. However the Forum is a lot like the people Moses was trying to push. What seems rather silly is Moses was not given the position of pusher. Moses was God's chosen to be the leader. I find it's a lot easier on the back to just walk and let others follow than push a wagon full of Missouri potatoes (rocks) up a Missouri hill. I am reminded that when the load is more than we can carry, perhaps it's because we are not yoked with someone to help carry the burden. Hank, I know you are a kind, warm, caring, Christian gentleman. You have the qualities that few Christian men have, and it did not come without devotion to the Lord Jesus, and a deep abiding faith. True faith is hard work! Walking by faith is not achieved overnight, it takes a lifetime to develope ones walk. I know you already are keenly aware of this. You and I in our faith developement need to keep bringing others to maturity in Christ, so they can replace us as we eventually will go home. Perhaps, and I sure don't pretend to know, you need to ask the Holy Father if you should be training someone to share the joy of the Forum with you. I do not expect anything near even close to perfection in you or anyone else. I can say fro certian that there will always be animosity, bickering, backbighting, bitterness, anger, fighting, and unChrist like behavior by Christians until, and only when, Christ comes will it then stop. I am not responsible for anyone else but me on the Fourm. Brother Hank I know you have a lot of you invested in the Forum, I know how deeply you care for those who are in it as well. But dear brother, the Forum is the Lords, and we just serve each other in it. Thhis forum will pass you are very right. But, don't for one second forget we are the Lords and Galations 5:6 "...the only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." What ever else we may say or do, only whats done for others through us because we are allowing Christ to show love through us is worth anything at all. Everything else is wasted and gone forever. Only one life will be soon be past; only what's done for Christ will last. This is not my orignal saying, I don't know where it comes from. Brother in Christ, Hank I encourage to look up for the Lord is near, He will not allow you to carry more than you are able, not one inch more! I believe that with all my heart. I ask you to overlook my poor spelling and English grammer, I continue to make more of an effort to improve. God Bless you Hank. Justme, Mike, your brother in Christ always! |
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6 | Endorsing the TNIV, how can this be? | Bible general Archive 2 | Makarios | 99978 | ||
Greetings Justme! I honestly do not see how anyone could view the TNIV as an improvement over the text of the original NIV.. That completely baffles me! Perhaps some are just enamored with dynamic equivalence to any extent! It amazes me that there is even a market for Bible versions that are so "free"... But some hold it as their preference, I suppose, to have a translation that reads like a sports magazine rather than the Book of Books!! I, for one, am not willing to concede away any reverence at all for Bible translation, and in how it should be presented- in nothing short of Holiness and Authority. The greatest thing about reading the NASB is that you get the impression that you are delving deeply into God's Word, really studying it on a level that is much closer than could be achieved with dynamic equivalence. You come to believe that the words on the page are arranged as you would arrange them, and are placed in the way that would seem the best way in light of the original languages, or you get the impression that it is closer to those languages than any other translation. And that is the single trait of the NASB that draws me to it the most! Yes, the wording may be awkward here or there, or seem 'stilted,' even in passages that I love the most, like Isaiah 53:6. But, even so, there are reasons why the form is presented in those ways! There are reasons behind what seems as the awkward presentation of the text. And such presentation demands deeper study from its readers, causing you to come to an understanding of why the words were put there in that way. The NASB helps me in this way, being in my mind the single translation that has been able to further my study of the Word moreso than any Bible translation yet.. However, the "personality" of the NASB is not in majesty, like the King James, but moreso a humility that is not found in other translations. The KJV alone is such a majestic beauty of translation, that no other translation can come close to it, and all those that attempt to "improve" on its personality are mere copies, mere 'pretenders' to the one that simply is. Every translation is unique, having its own "personality" and way of carrying over the meaning of the text. For me, the NASB carries over a 'personality' that is very well suited to my tastes and demanding precision in study, moreso than any other translation. The original NIV, for me, is the translation of the "common".. :-) The KJV is the Majestic "royal highness" of all translations, flowing in blue and purple robes.. :-) The ESV is a like the ark made out of gopher wood and pitch (Gen. 6:14), carrying forth the gist (essential pieces) of a passage with vigor.. The Amplified Bible is just that- AMPLIFIED.. :-) The RSV is much like the ESV, but a shade colder- lacking in spirit and majesty. The HCSB (New Testament, anyway) is like a breath of fresh air that is warm to the spirit, but at the same time fleeting, difficult to dwell on for a great length of time.. The NKJV at times peaks the curiousity and brandishes the Truth in its eloquence; but yet, other times makes you question whether or not an English sentence should be chopped up in such ways! And then there is the NASB, that is not "flashy" or eloquent at times by any means (that clearly not being its goal), but trips you up when, perhaps you really should be tripped up to understand a particular passage, and is flowing where you have read so many other times before! :-) Blessings to you, Makarios |
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