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1 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147414 | ||
Ed: Lev. 23:3 which you quote "holy convocation" - means to gather together. Just like Jesus and Paul did as their custom was !!! Yes, Jews fell away from the intention of the Sabbath which was made by God as part of the perfect creation process "prior" to sin entering the world. The Sabbath was perfect in its creation because it was to give 24 hours of time out the week for the people to go about worshiping God and not worry about their daily routine. Clearly you would agree that man cannot worship God if the day is filled with "work" to support oneself and family as God commands. 6 days you "shall" work. Meaning God fully expects use to live for Him every day - while we work and do routine activities - but on the Sabbath since we are commanded to do not work WE ALL then have the time to gather together to worship without the pressures of job schedule and routine schedule. This has got to be clearly seen to understand the purpose of not working. Now being said the Sabbath was made for man (not just Jew)NOT man for the Sabbath. It was made for a blessing of rest, worship and an opportunity to "do good on the Sabbath" as Jesus said to the Pharisees. Sabbath was made from the beginning. I personally believe Abraham was keeping the Sabbath - although we have no direct statement of evidence in the scripture. But we do have Gen. 26:5. Can you tell me what commandments Abraham was keeping. Remember it does not say what they are. But certainly said he kept commandments. Whe it said Jesus "fulfilled the law" - this means he kept the law. Since we did not keep the law (or sinned) then the only atonement possible is for Jesus to live a perfect sinless life but still be put to death - although He did not deserve it like we do. Since He did die He took out place. Just as John 15:10 says - Jesus did not sin -- Why -- because He kept His father's commandments. This is fulfilling the law. Saying We as Man no longer need rest is like saying the principle of not resting the fields every 7th year should not still be followed. We need rest every week from our regular activites. God gave it as a blessing !!!! Heb. 4 clearly says "There remains a Sabbath rest". Clearly you do not understand "work" the priests in the OT had to work in the service. Jesus performed miracles on the Sabbath and called it doing "good". Doing God's work on the Sabbath is not work but loving God. You can go to any pastor out there and they will say WE as Christians must keep a day of rest. Unfortunately it is the 1st day they consider the Sabbath. Look forward to your reply ! Merv |
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2 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 147419 | ||
Hello Merv, "God gave it as a blessing !!!! Heb. 4 clearly says 'There remains a Sabbath rest'." Yes, and if you read the context, it says nothing about a day of the week. The whole point of Heb. 4 is the rest we have in Christ. Steve |
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3 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147530 | ||
Yes Steve: it has a paralell meaning of rest in Christ. Ok so why do we keep a "day" of rest at all - the 1st day. No pastor will tell you - "we do not need a day to rest and focus our activities on Jesus and fellowship". You cannot hav it both ways. Heb.4:7 clearly discussed the 7th day. What do you mean it does not mention a day of the week. Do you see my concern: People will argue there is no more Sabbath (7th) based on the "rest in Christ" we have now. But then they go and keep a "day of rest" - 1st day but call it a new "sabbath" or changed sabbath. If we have rest in Christ as many argue from Heb. 4 then why keep a day !!!! Where is the logic Merv |
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4 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 147549 | ||
Hello Merv, I never said that we shouldn't rest from our daily labors. My point is that it isn't a command. Steve |
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5 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147619 | ||
Wow - it is amazing to here some comments. Did Jesus not teach that Jews are no better than Gentiles - YES !!! How are laws (supposedly only given to Jews but actually Isaiah refutes this as I have already shown) not good also for Gentiles. I know you say "we should rest from our labours" - and I do agree. But explain what we would be doing on this day. Could it be worshiping God and thanking Him for this beautiful world in which we can rest and enjoy the beauty and relaxing scenery. I do not know how you can say the 4th commandment is not a command by God. And by the way, When the rich young rules came to Jesus to ask Him about the law - Jesus clearly repeated commands of the 10 commandments. But again Steve we can argue this to the death but scipture cannot give two answers because God is a consistent and clear God. Either the Sabbath can be any day of the week, no day of the week, the 7th or the 1st. I tend to rely on consistency and scriptural evidence that clearly says it was created in the beginning - God clearly punished by death for not keeping it. Pretty stong support to me that I cannot relying on what I had been taught and assumed was the truth for many years of my life. Again --- Math. 15:3 1 John 2:4 What is the duty of Man -- Ecc. 12:13 Please take my points in love, Merv |
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6 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | srbaegon | 147630 | ||
Hello Merv, "Please take my points in love," Perhaps if they were given in love I could. You stubbornly refuse sound doctrine. This is closed. Steve |
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7 | Hank - Doctrine from God or Man ? | Bible general Archive 2 | swerv | 147633 | ||
Steve: Thanks for the responses !! I pray all find the truth !!! Merv |
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