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1 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117367 | ||
Hell is the place of the dead. Angels were also sent there. It is not a place of torment for men who die. "The living know they will die, but the dead know nothing" We remain in Hell till the resurrection when we are brought back to life. Hell is not to be feared. Since the dead know nothing, they are not aware of the passage of time or even that they are in hell. Dying in Jan 2,1004 and being resurrected in Dec 3,2205 IF that were the date of the resurrection would, to one not aware of time, seem like a micro second of time. It would be like falling sound asleep for an hour and then waking up. One who is sound asleep is not aware of time or where he is. There is no fire in Hell, neither is Satan there at present. He is active in heaven and on earth to the present day. Hell itself is destroyed after the second resurrection from the dead which occurs after the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth. When hell is destroyed in this way, there is no more aplace for the dead, because death also is destroyed at that time, so there is no need for a place to hold the dead. Sincerely Henry and Emmy Eccl 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Since no one except Christ has been raised from the dead, Moses being dead is still in hell(the place of the dead) |
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2 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | JCrichton | 117381 | ||
Hi, Henry and Emmy! It is interesting that from that passage (Eccl 9:5) you have gathered so much info--contradicting even Christ who talks about the place where the gnashing of the teeth and the flames that never end... Please do not read a single Biblical passage and reject all others which complement and expand it! God Bless! Angel |
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3 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | Emmy | 117417 | ||
I did only quote one verse Ecc9:5 BUT do not interpret it in isolation. If you were to carefully read any verse about weeping and gnashnig of teeth, you will find it occurs at the judgement when the dead are taken out of hell and are judged. There is no weeping or gnashing of teeth till then, because up to the time of the resurrection, they are dead, and know nothing as it says in Eccl. This interpretation allows for both the dead knowing nothing AND the weeping and gnashing of teeth at the time indicated. Hell and death and those not redeemed at the final judgement are thrown into the lake of fire. 2nd death. There is the wailing and gnashing of teeth as they are judged. The Eccl verse I mentioned should not be read in isolation is true, nor should any verse,but non the less the correct interpretation of scripture must allow for it to be a true saying. To say that Eccl 9:5 contradicts Christ is not possible. The saying that the dead know nothing must be true at some point, or this passage is false. Here is a challenge for you. Find all passages about weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, and try to establish WHEN it happens. I think you will find without exception that it occurs at judgement, which has not yet occured. In the meantme the Eccl 9:5 verse holds true, the dead know nothing. When they are resurrected from the dead, then they know something, in fact they know a lot at judgement, and the sinners at that time will weep and wail and gnash their teeth. Contradict me if you can. Find a verse that mentions weeping and wialing and gnashing of teeth that occurs when people are dead. Or find a verse about the weeping and gnashing of teeth occuring other than at judgement. Also if you would explain what Eccl 9:5 means when it says the dead know nothing, if in fact the dead do know something. Both are not possible. Either the dead know something or the dead know nothing. There is no ground to argue in the middle of these two choices. If it said some dead know something and some know nothing that would be different, but tihs is not the case. It says only the dead know nothing Sincerely Henry and Emmy |
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4 | Is Moses in Heaven or Hell | Bible general Archive 2 | JCrichton | 117431 | ||
"Contradict me if you can." It is not about contradicting... True, Eccl 9:5 talks about the dead not knowing anything and to interpret that that means those in hell know nothing and feel nothing is quantifiable--but when we read the Psamls we often find a prayer full of venom and hateful thoughts towards the enemy. This would suggest the Holy Spirit, who represents a Loving God, commanding His prophets and holy writers into: a)condoning violence, and b) a God who is more interested in carnage and total inahilation of people, rather then their repentence and conversion. Here are a few passages about hell: Matthew 5:22 ...if you call your brother a worthless fool you will be in danger of going to the fire of hell. Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul, rather be afraid of God, who can destroy both body and soul in hell. Matthew 16:18 And so I tell you, Peter: you are a rock, and on this rock foundation I will build by church, and not even death (hell*) will ever be able to overcome it. Matthew 18:9 And if your eye makes you lose your faith, take it out and throw it away! It is better for you to enter life with only one eye than to keep both eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Mark 9:43-44 So if your hand makes you lose your faith, cut it off! It is better for you to enter life without a hand than to keep both hands and go off to hell, to the fire that never goes out. James 3:6 ...It sets on fire the entire course of our existence with the fire that comes to it from hell itself. 2 Peter 2:4 God did not spare the angels who sinned, but threw them into hell, where they are kept chained in darkeness, waiting for the Day of Judgment. Revealtion 1:18 I am the living one! I was dead, but now I am alive forever and ever. I have authority** over death and (hell*) the world of the dead. Revelation 20:13-14 Then the sea gave up its dead. Death and the world of the dead(hell*) also gave up the dead they held... Then death and the world of the dead were thrown into the lake of fire. (This lake of fire is the second death.) If these passages were to be taken individually... what a preposterous conundrum!: Matthew 5:22 talks about the fire of hell; Matthew 10:28 tells us that both the body and soul can be destroyed in hell; Matthew 16:18 says that death (*hell) has power to over come some things--certain vesions talk about the gates of hell, which then give hell some type of gated entrance; Matthew 18:9, Jesus talks about the fire of hell; Mark 9:43-44 depicts hell's fire as never extinguishing; James 3:6--now this must really be confused, he talks about hell as though there's a direct spiritual connect with our temporal lives! 2 Peter 2:4, Peter must obiously be as confused as James, have you heard of a non-quenchable fire that burns black? [No, no, not the smoking flesh...] Revealtion 1:18 tells us that there is not just one place for the dead but two places: death and the world of the dead or hell; Revelation 20:13-14 now comes the final word, there are not one, not two but three places where the dead hang around: the sea, death, and the world of the dead (hell)! * Some Bible versions have the hell instead of death or the world of the dead, respectively. ** Some Bible versions have keys instead of authority. I know that people with poetic license and super creative writing skills can presume to weave a nice: "this is what that really mean!" It is clear from these passages that there are Bible passages pertain to both a corporal and spiritual realm converging in God's reality (one day is like a thousand years...) If we only seek to outshine the next believer we are just as confused as the Jews and Greeks who kept waiting for signs and worldly wisdom... So if we simply define hell by one passage which passage would it be: a place of darkness?, a place of nothingness?, a place of torment?, a place of unquenchable fire?, a place where both the body and soul can be obliterated?, a gated place?, a futuristic place?, a temporal place?, a spiritual place?... Could it be that it is not one or another, but all! God Bless! Angel Could it be that it is not one o |
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