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1 | The 3 witnesses of 1 John 5:7-8? | 1 John 5:16 | Ray | 78950 | ||
Hi Estabon, Welcome to the forum; I hope that you will enter in the thread you started with comments and reactions. May I introduce myself as one who is interested in capitalization of pronouns of Deity and also as one interested in counting them. Hence, my comments will concern those things. If you have read the other suggested threads, you know that "Father, Word, and Holy Spirit" are four words concerning Deity, but they are being disputed as having been put in later, or as being "marginal". Personally, I have incorporated those four pronouns (verse 7, NKJ) into my personal copy. I believe that when manuscripts differ, they differ at places where the number of pronouns translated concerning Deity are differing among the translations. In other words, I believe that if this is indeed marginal, it is saying, "make sure you have the correct total of pronouns". 1) The total of pronouns may differ naturally (not because of differences in faith of the readers or translators) simply because the choice is present of "truth or Truth". A choice not unlike 1 John 3:20 where "Him" could just as well have been "it". 2) If one is determined to exclude the four pronouns of verse 7 of the NKJ version, then I can offer a couple of possibilities that "make sure you get the correct number of pronouns". a) If you don't agree with "The Spirit testifies because the Spirit is the truth"; then I offer this interpretation. 1 John 5:6, ... "The Spirit is the One who testifies, because the Spirit is the Truth. 7 For there are Three that testify; 8 the Spirit and the water and the blood; and the Three are in agreement [literally, for the one thing]." [I think we can all agree that the thing that we are all looking for is truth and the Truth.] b) If you don't like the two inclusions of "Three" to our total because it suggests three Gods to you, then we can also consider verse 12 to "make sure we have the correct number of pronouns." Here we have the marginal note in the NKJ of [Or, the life]. I would give you the choice of "the Life". Possible suggested 1 John 5:12, "He [anyone] who has the Son has the *Life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the *Life." 3) Whatever choices you make I believe that you want the correct four pronouns settled in your mind before verse thirteen. 1 John 5:13, "These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, in order that you may know that you have eternal life." a) For this verse we have a differing manuscript that adds (you can find it in the NKJ) "and that you may [continue to] believe in the name of the Son of God." b) This eternal life is in the Son. So, again, I believe that manuscripts differ where the believers had been determining for themselves what should be capitalized and counted. Just personal opinion. I compare 1 John 5:13 with Acts 5:20, "Go your way, stand and speak to the people in the temple the whole message of this Life." So we have the Truth and the Life, anyone want to talk about the Way? That won't be any easier. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | The 3 witnesses of 1 John 5:7-8? | 1 John 5:16 | Estabon | 79003 | ||
To my new found best friend, Ray: Thank you for respecting Him. I totally agree with your "opinions" on Diety capitalization. The most recent spiritual adventure He has allowed me involves an indepth study of the Epistle of 1 John and portions of the Gospel of John. My initial goal was to be able to present/perform these passages dramatically. Through this He is leading me far deeper into their meaning. One must fully understand the passages in order to give proper inflection and emphasis. The Father's perfect love must be experienced before we can show it. He continues to pour out His love into my heart - and moment by moment I pray for His wisdom and strength to enable me to cement every thought, every word, and every action with His unfailing, unending love. The week of Valentine's Day a local newspaper contained a brief summation of Robert Sternburg's Triarchic Theory of Love. Sternburg developed a theory of love in which there were three dimensions: intimacy, passion and commitment. Some aspects of these are found in every real love relationship to some degree. My thought - Our love relationship with God is no different. As I began to explore our feelings for each other - He brought some beautiful thoughts into my mind. The commitment part of our love is relatively easy to understand. Agape by very definition is based upon decision. His was made at His first thought of me. Mine came as He gave me the first thought of Him. I have never thought to intentionally worship any other - though distractions and displaced priorities have caused Him much pain. The intimacy component - to me it's confession. In other forms of love - intimacy is built by common experience - the things a couple goes through together. Good communication is essential to build intimacy. Since His knowledge of every fiber of my being is perfect, I should let Him know - that I know He knows. Being respectful of His presence - confessing my faults before Him (and to others before Him) builds intimacy. Confessing Him and His constant work in my life makes our relationship more intimate. Since He inhabits the praises of His people - praising Him is a way to experience passion in our relationship. Pouring out our heart and soul with all of our strength about all that He is, has done, and is doing, brings about a special union. I'm praying to love the Lord with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength - and my neighbors as myself. Jesus said that everything hangs on these commandments. May God's great love overflow to every soul He puts in our path. Love Always,in His service, Estabon |
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3 | The 3 witnesses of 1 John 5:7-8? | 1 John 5:16 | Ray | 79706 | ||
Hi Estabon, Thank you for your excellent post, my friend. I liked it very much. Sorry for being so late in telling you so. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | The 3 witnesses of 1 John 5:7-8? | 1 John 5:16 | Estabon | 80007 | ||
Thanks back to you, Ray, for your affirming note. Love always,in His service, - Estabon |
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