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1 | Effective and accomplish are energeo | James 5:16 | Searcher56 | 149255 | ||
terrib, greetings, somehow my previous post didn't take. Context is important, there were no verse or chapters in the original. While a full understanding requires reading the entire book, one could read James 5:13-20 for the immediate context. There also is the context of prayer (including Elijah's prayer for (no) rain (1 Kin 17:1, 18:1), as well as a righteous man. Also, one needs to understand the Greek words. I think it helps to know effective and accomplish are the same word, energeo. One needs to understand how far back look to see about the "therefore" ... and the effect if it is not there. Searcher |
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2 | Effective and accomplish are energeo | James 5:16 | terrib | 149265 | ||
Hi Searcher, The point I was making was in verses 14-15: is there any sick call for the elders to pray and anoint with oil and the prayer of faith will save the sick and the Lord will raise him up and if he has sin it will be forgiven. That is a finished work. In verse 16 now, the Scripture tells us to pray for one another that we may be healed. This is a different situation now that we are praying for each other because, above, the elders were praying for us and anointing with oil. This is why I was concerned about the word 'therefore' in verse 16, because by using the word it connects or carries on from verse 15. And one of the two Greek lexicons I looked at does not use the word and the other does. Therefore, I stated that verse 16 starts a new thought and is not still talking about healing the physically sick as in verse 14 -15, but is now talking about offences toward a brother, a spiritual healing. Then James talks about Elijah as being just a man as we are and just how powerful prayer can be. So powerful, it can dry up the earth. Permit me to share with you a true story about effectual pray. Jim Vines, a young man that surrendered to Jesus the same time I did, was hiking in the Sierra Mountains in California. A huge boulder became dislodged and was tumbling down the edge of the mountain straight toward young Mr. Vines. He heard it's sound, turned around and the only two words that came out of his mouth was, "Jesus! - No!", and the boulder exploded right in front of him and he didn't have a scratch. If he kept his mouth shut, he would be dead. He stood up in church the next Sunday with the rest of the church group that was with him and testified of this. Well, being Pentecostal, I tell you we had a good time in the Lord. Praising and singing, no, we didn't roll on the floor. So, the effectual fervent prayer of this baby Christian did availeth much. We were so young, I don't know if we even knew about this verse. But God did! I said all that to say all this, I am settled with the answers I have been given by the forum. Thanks, terrib |
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