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1 | Homosexual are picked on in the church? | James 2:1 | journey_me | 177325 | ||
Almost, there but I would need to point out, that you associate homosexual with murders and rapist, and that proves my point on the Christian attitudes toward homosexuality. Ou of all the sins to have picked, your opinion shines through when you picked violent crimes. I would like to say you can be a practicing homosexual and be a Christian. You can in fact be a "Gay Christian" just because you don't act on it doesn't mean the feelings or thoughts go away. These are addictions and people who do not have them think it's a simple thing, just like women, stop doing drugs, or stop drinking. You can be a fornicating Chrstian and I think our society is more socially acceptable of this practice than they are of homosexuals, as evident of all the people in the church. I'm not arguing that it's right, I am arguing that we need to devote as much time on all of the sins as we do homosexuality. This includes war, fammine, pre-marital sex, pregnancies out of wedlock, gamblers, porn addictions, drug addicts, drunkards. Only God knows what are in their hearts, I believe we apply and mis-apply scripture to suit our preferences. If Jesus was alive today, he will tell all sinners to come into the house of the Lord. We are so busy telling people they are wrong, that we can't even bring them to Christ to get fixed. If we turned away all the people who committed one of the sins listed above, we will have a pretty empty church. We as Christians need to bring people closer to God, so that they may know him. Once they know him, they will be inflicted with his conviction, and then may be they will no in their hearts what's wrong and what's not. |
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2 | Homosexual are picked on in the church? | James 2:1 | mark d seyler | 177336 | ||
Hi Journey me, You have claimed Brad holds the opinion that homosexuality is worse than some sins because he associated it with violent crimes. Brad's actual statement was "It is a sin just as is murder, rape or robbery." You have left out that he also associated it with robbery, which is not necessarily a violent crime. But mostly I want to address another matter that you have brought up, your claim that "you can be a 'gay Christian'". 2 Corinthians 5:17-18 So that if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new! (18) And all things are from God, the One having reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and having given to us the ministry of reconciliation, When you are born again, you are a new being that didn't exist before. You have no connection to what you were before. Ephesians tells us that we have been created in righteousness and true holiness. That means total separation from anything sinful in thought, word, and deed. But I find this following passage especially meaningful to this sort of discussion: Ephesians 4:17-24 Therefore, I say this, and testify in the Lord, that you no longer walk even as also the rest of the nations walk, in the vanity of their mind, (18) having been darkened in the intellect, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance which is in them because of the hardness of their heart, (19) who, having cast off all feeling, gave themselves up to lust, to the working of all uncleanness with greediness. (20) But you have not so learned Christ, (21) if indeed you heard Him and were taught in Him, as the truth is in Jesus. (22) For you have put off the old man, as regards the former behavior, having been corrupted according to the deceitful lusts, (23) and to be renewed in the spirit of your mind, (24) and to put on the new man, which according to God was created in righteousness and true holiness. No one is "born homosexual". All who are practicing such have been deceived by their lust, and have actually put off true feelings. This is not my opinion, this is what the Bible says. All such deeds belong to the "old man", which has been crucified with Christ, which is to be reckoned as already dead, and is to be put to death: Col 3:5 Then put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil lust, and covetousness, which is idolatry; Even the "strong desire for sin" is sinful in and of itself, and is to be conquered within us, and CAN BE! :-) And again, I will say that I agree with you, all sin is sin, and any sin will separate a person from God forever. No sin is to be allowed a foothold. But also realize, while theft remains a problem in America, and lies are told every day, homosexuals have put THEMSELVES into the spotlight, in an effort to force a national acceptance and approval of their sinful lifestyle, and they should not be surprised to find that of the vast vast majority who reject and disapprove of their lifestyle there are many who say so. Its not the drunkards that are in our faces, its the SSAD's. And so if the Church, and others understand the self-destruction of homosexuality talk more about this sin then other sins, the homosexual community has brought that upon themselves. Jesus said "I came that they may have life and may have it abundantly." Not that we can be partly changed, but partly broken. Love in Christ, Mark |
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3 | Homosexual are picked on in the church? | James 2:1 | journey_me | 177339 | ||
First off I said a lot more in that argument, and you are doing just as you accuse me of doing, which is the problem when humans ineract. I was just wondering why he picked murder and rape and robbery, instead adultery, prostitution, lying, or cheating? In the example, the people that were given over to lust were not believers, and that is why God gave them over. Being born again is not istantaneous, it is an ongoing process that you have to invest in everyday. You can't go to church and be born again and that's it. You have to walk in the word and sorry that takes time even for the most humble. If Jesus was alive today, I don't think he would attack. He will show them the way. You are stereotyping, and that is why the gay community turns away from the church. There are people who are gay that knows it's wrong, but when they come to Christians they are attacked, so where do they go. They go to the gay community where they are fed mistruths. All you have to do is teach God and the bible, and if they are truly saved Jesus will lead the way. We all are an abomination in one way or another. You also missed my point, 10 percent or less of the population practice homosexuality. As much 50 percent of the population practice sex outside of marriage. I believe sexual immorality is an abomination. The bible spends a lot more time on topic of fornication than it does homosexuality. I have yet to see preachers kick fornicators out of the church. You can go to church now and see a sea of sexual immorality. Lead the crucade because they too are defiling the church with their lust. It's way more of them. 50 percent of marriages end in divorce, lead the crucade. These people bring upon themselves, as well. I am not and have not said that homosexuality is right. Nor will I ever say that, but I will never say that they are not welcome in the house of the Lord. I feel it is our responsibility as Christians to bring them closer to God, and not attack them because we are not homosexuals ourselves. I will never know what they go through and I will never presume that it's something simple or an easy fix. Obviously it's something more than we would understand, and that is why God gave them over to their lust, and those he gave over were non-believers who refused to truth. All gays don't fit into that category. Rom 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. 26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Rom 2:1-4 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2Now we know that God's judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3So when you, a mere man, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God's judgment? 4Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, tolerance and patience, not realizing that God's kindness leads you toward repentance? |
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4 | Homosexual are picked on in the church? | James 2:1 | BradK | 177344 | ||
Hello journey_me, You are the one who initially posed the question. Without trying to be contentious, it appears to me that you do not like the answers. You are being far too broad in painting the Christian Church as attacking gays. That's not always the case. We have gays at our church. We love them but do not endorse or make excuses for their lifestyle! We also have unmarried couples at our church. We do the same for them. They are loved and welcomed. We can and should love the sinner, but hate the sin. The problem with Homosexuality in general, is that they do not see the practice of as sinful. Denying the truth will not open them to the Saviour- Who alone can change them! One must first recognize that they are indeed a sinner, and need to be saved from its' consequences. Christian "Homosexuals" have- by and large- attempted to redefine their behaviour and call evil good (Is. 5:20). That, in my estimation is the core of the issue to which you are seeking answers to. Am I getting closer on track with you? Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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5 | Homosexual are picked on in the church? | James 2:1 | journey_me | 177348 | ||
This is my last word on it. I have learned some things from you and only those which I did not understand or agree with have I challenged. I am not being broad on attacking gays, my intital questions was why gays. We have a social responsibility to everyone. Gays and church have been so politicized, and they are only a handful or people compared to the church. I feel we are misleading the body, by not applying the same amount of pressure on sex in the church, as well. We will not allow a homosexual to be preachers, but we will allow a fornicator. Do not take it personal to mean that is what you do. I don't think you personally would do that to anyone, I love this forum. I have been wrong and you personally have pointed me in the right direction. Just as I say all homosexuals are not evil, all church memebers aren't attacking. I don't think anyone can define it as right because it's not. I am tired of the Christian community spending more time on this group of people when there is larger issues to deal with. Safe sex is the new message, but the safest sex is no sex until you are married. I just wish that was in fore fronts a lot more. I do agree with you that you can't call evil good. Attack the si, not sinner, but a lot of the times that not the case. |
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6 | Homosexual are picked on in the church? | James 2:1 | Morant61 | 177391 | ||
Greetings Journey Me! Do churches allow fornicators to be pastors? Every church that I know of would dismiss a pastor who was engaged in fornication. Secondly, is sin evil? If someone is engaged in sin (any sin), would it be possible to say of them that they are not evil? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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