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1 | When was Saul of Tarsus saved? | Heb 9:22 | retxar | 18643 | ||
See my question to DLD How can anyone get around all the scripture about salvation that doesn’t mention water baptism at all? (Mat10:32, Luk12:8, Joh1:12, Joh3:16, Luk 7:47, Luk 7:48, Luk 7:50, Act 4:12, Act 10:43, Act 13:39, Act 15:7, Act 15:8, Act 15:9, Act 15:11, Rom10:9, Rom10:10, Gal 3:14, Eph 2:8, Phi 3:9, 1Jo 2:23, 1Jo 4:2, 1Jo 4:15, 1Jo 5:1 etc, etc, etc) |
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2 | When was Saul of Tarsus saved? | Heb 9:22 | DLD | 18749 | ||
They don't mention the need for repentance either. Could Saul of Tarsus or anyone be saved without repentance? David Pawson MA, BSc in his book 'The Normal Christian Birth' on page 145 makes this statement about Acts 2:38. "Peter believes that water baptism will 'effect' the cleansing. For him, as for the other apostles, the washing of the body and the cleansing of the conscience were the outside and the inside of the same event, the external act causing the internal change. Their understanding was 'sacramental' rather than 'symbolic'. To put it quite starkly, Peter would have been surprised if someone had asked if they could have forgiveness of sins without being baptised; he would probably have questioned the sincerity of their profession of repentance and faith" Incidentally, why didn't Peter tell his listeners in Acts 2 to 'believe on the Lord Jesus Christ' to be saved? When they asked the same question as the Jailor at Philippi, why did they get a different answer?. Also note that they asked what shall WE DO. If they were already saved why did Peter tell them to "Repent AND be baptised ... for the remission of sins"? Two more points. The scriptures you quote show the need for faith, - amen - we can't be saved without faith. But nowhere does it say that it was by faith 'only'. The only scripture I can find that mentions faith only is James 2:24. This tells us that justification is NOT by faith only. Mark 16:16, Which version will you accept? Jesus: He that believeth and is baptised shall be saved. DLD: He that believeth shall be saved and is baptised. I will accept the word of Jesus who places salvation after belief and baptism |
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3 | When was Saul of Tarsus saved? | Heb 9:22 | retxar | 18765 | ||
I guess they get around it by ignoring all the decisive Scripture that plainly says water baptism is not a salvation requirement, and by using a few verses that COULD be made to mean it is required, if there were not so much overwhelming Scriptural evidence that says otherwise. Just because a verse has water baptism listed along with grace thru faith, does not make water baptism a requirement. Mar 16:16 does not say belief AND baptism are required for salvation. It simply says "He who believes and is baptized will be saved”. It could have also said believes and is baptized, and preaches, and teaches, and witnesses, and goes to church on Sunday. What did I add that would have disqualified someone from being saved? Nothing! The second part of that verse tells us what CANNOT be left out; “but he who does not believe will be condemned”. Mar 16:16 is actually strong scriptural evidence that water baptism is NOT a salvation requirement. If you insist that Mar 16:16 is saying water baptism is required for salvation, then you must also accept ALL the signs spoken of in the next two verses as requirements that must follow ALL believers who are truly saved. Is that your position? I, like you, will take Jesus at His Word. What about the Gentiles who Paul was called to preach the Gospel to? (1Co 1:17) Would he not have also been called to baptism them, if baptism was required for salvation? What about the Gentiles who believed and were filled with the Holy Spirit in Acts 10? How could the Jews have ever questioned water baptism if they thought it was a salvation requirement? The Jews did not doubt that God saved Gentiles (Acts 10:34-35), only if they were to be baptized. How in the world can one explain this away? Repentance means “A complete reversal of one's attitude and values, i.e. a turning toward God”. Repentance is an inevitable result of salvation. How is it possible to turn to Jesus without turning from sin? It can happen no other way! Immediately before Saul's encounter with Jesus, he was persecuting Christians (Act 9:1-2). After the encounter he had a complete reversal of his attitude and values, did he not? To say Saul did not repent is simply not true. Eph 2:8-9 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, NOT OF WORKS, lest anyone should boast. Salvation is by grace thru faith, baptism is by obedience thru works. Salvation is NOT OF WORKS, least anyone should boast. retxar |
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