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1 | does God chose who he will save | Eph 1:1 | boanerges | 185230 | ||
does this mean that God has chosen whom he will save and who he will not? has it been predestined? | ||||||
2 | does God chose who he will save | Eph 1:1 | God's-elect | 185231 | ||
EPH 1 verse 4 John 15 verse 16 Mark 13 verse 20 A few verses of many. If God did not choose his people no one would come to God. Even the faith to believe is given. No choice here. Thank God for his Mercy and Grace. Read Romans 9 verses 18 thu 22 |
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3 | does God chose who he will save | Eph 1:1 | mark d seyler | 185234 | ||
Hi God's Elect, This is something that has often been discussed on this forum, and you would do well to read some of the excessive amount of debate that has been posted before now. You will find that many will agree with what you are saying, and that many will not. Personally, I would be more interested in your comments if you were to not only look at those verses that appear to support your view (i.e. those that speak of God's election), but if you were to also look at those verses that appear to require man's cooperation with God (i.e. those verses that speak of man's choice). I find that a mature doctrine will properly account for all Scriptures that relate to a given topic. Love in Christ, Mark |
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4 | does God chose who he will save | Eph 1:1 | New Creature | 185856 | ||
I would agree. And I would also have interested individuals study how monergism and synergism both receive Biblical support without the one contradicting the other. | ||||||
5 | does God chose who he will save | Eph 1:1 | stjohn | 185868 | ||
Hello New.... monergism would seem to cancel out synergism. I would be interested in seeing Scripture that supports your inference. God bless. John |
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6 | does God chose who he will save | Eph 1:1 | New Creature | 185870 | ||
At first appearance it would seem that monergism would cancel out synergism, but upon closer look, I personally believe that is not the case. We see it stated in Scripture John 6:44 - No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: This tells me we cannot come to Jesus unless the Father first does something. The something mentioned is drawing us. The word "cannot" shows the impossibility of an individual coming on his own initiative. Therefore this drawing should be classified as monergistic. Next we see in Scripture where the Phillipian jailer asks Paul and Silas; Acts 16:30 Sirs, what must I do to be saved? Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved The above text refers to our part in appropriating salvation. In order to be saved we must personally and individually believe. And since God doesn't believe for us, but gives us the ability to believe, then our act of believing which comes in command form must be classified as an act that is synergistic in nature. One in which God's previously work of drawing assists us in a response of faith. Therefore my conclusion is that examples of both monergism as well as synergism can be found in Scripture. The one doesn't contradict the other. It's just a matter of at which point in the process of salvation monegism is in action, and at which point in the process synergism kicks in. Well thats how I see it. There are other verses I could have concluded as support, but I think what I have stated is sufficient at this time. |
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7 | does God chose who he will save | Eph 1:1 | hobbs | 185881 | ||
Thanks for your thouhts NC, I agree with your conclusion from John 6:44 ..."Therefore this drawing should be classified as monergistic."... My question to you is: why do you see the the case of the jailer in a different light. It seems apparent to me that he had experienced the drawing of the Father as well. Brother Hobbs |
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8 | does God chose who he will save | Eph 1:1 | mark d seyler | 185884 | ||
Hi Hobbs, Perhaps I may be able to answer this question. I see this, I think, in the same way as New Creature. I think he explained if as well as I've heard. In this case of the Phillipian jailer, when he asked, "what must I do to be saved?", he is asking what conditions must be met in order to receive that which he desires, salvation. Paul answers, "believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved." As a conditional clause, salvation is predicated on believing. Without belief, there is no salvation. Belief, then, must precede salvation. Here, "believe" is in the active voice, something done by the jailer. So as NC said, God does not "believe" for him, he must believe for himself. So salvation is predicated on an action performed by the jailer. It could have been written differently, showing belief simply coming to him, that the jailer "received belief", but that's not what Paul said. So in answer to the jailer's request to know what has to happen for him to be saved, Paul answered that he has to believe on the Lord Jesus, and that if he, the jailer, does that, then he will be saved. I am certain that the jailer experienced the drawing of the Father, as I believe all men do. I hope this helps, and I trust NC will correct me if I did not answer well. Love in Christ, Mark |
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9 | does God chose who he will save | Eph 1:1 | New Creature | 185888 | ||
I couldn't have worded it better. I don't need to make any corrections in what you stated. Thanks for all the help. | ||||||