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1 | The significance of Communion | 1 Cor 10:14 | DocTrinsograce | 225498 | ||
Dear EdB, If our presuppositions are not open to analysis by one another, how shall we then come to agreement in our exegesis? As one of your own has pointed out (Dr. Gordon D. Fee) a sound interpretation requires the involvement of the reader as well as the author. He warns of what he calls "selective exegesis." That is, when we "...read one's own, completely foreign, ideas into a text and thereby make God's Word something other than what God really said" (How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth, page 24). He goes on to say, "To avoid making such mistakes one needs to learn to think exegetically, that is, to begin back then and there and to do so with every text." I did not intend to "poopoo" your question. I simply could not begin to answer it without first dealing with the presuppositions. That's how I was taught. It is modeled in the teaching of Christ and the apostles. I do not know of any way to honor our Lord, save in the way in which He has led us in the truth. In Him, Doc |
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2 | The significance of Communion | 1 Cor 10:14 | EdB | 225502 | ||
Why are we talking about my presuppositions? Let us talk about Paul's use the word Koinonia, its meaning and why would Paul use basically the same word when contrasting two acts one desireable and one forbidden. This is not a supposition it is fact the meaning of the word Koinonia reaches far deeper than communion for rememberance sake. Early Christians were well aware of the decision to prohibit eating food offered to idols. Yet Paul clearly states to do so is to partake or fellowship with demons. I made no presuppositions I pointed out an analogy made by Paul between a prohibited act and one we are told to partake in. For the analogy to be valid and meaningful there had to be more to the partaking of communion than mere rememberance of Christ. |
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3 | The significance of Communion | 1 Cor 10:14 | DocTrinsograce | 225509 | ||
Dear Edb, You wrote, "I made no presuppositions I pointed out an analogy made by Paul between a prohibited act and one we are told to partake in. For the analogy to be valid and meaningful there had to be more to the partaking of communion than mere rememberance of Christ." (sic) One cannot think, speak, hear, understand, etc. without presuppositions. Regardless, in a continuing amicable, calming, and placating effort: Paul uses the word koinonos five times. It simply means to share or partner with another. Check the other references and see if there is some kind of "deeper" sense in which he uses it. Protestantism takes a very broad view of communion. Not all protestants hold to the symbolic memorialist position that you are eschewing. That certainly marks one extreme of protestantism; the other extreme, held by our more liturgical brethren, retain a perspective much closer to the Papists. In other words, not every protestant is Zwinglian in their view of communion: Calvinists are not, Lutherans are not, and Anglicans are not, Historic Baptists are not. As I stated in post #225448, I agree that communion is more "than mere rememberance of Christ" (sic). However, 1 Corinthians 10:20, cannot bear the weight of that doctrine on its own; let alone granting the word koinonos some sort of mysterious meaning than the word warrants. I think that we might agree, however, that the 10th and 11th chapters of 1 Corinthians does much more than imply a non-memorialist perspective of communion. 1 Corinthians 11:27-30 really can bear that doctrinal weight, don't you think? In Him, Doc |
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4 | The significance of Communion | 1 Cor 10:14 | EdB | 225518 | ||
You wrote, "Paul uses the word koinonos five times. It simply means to share or partner with another. Check the other references and see if there is some kind of "deeper" sense in which he uses it." And yes I think there is a deeper meaning. If I understand the word correctly and especially in this application there is a much deeper meaning. Koinonos also implies Companionship, Fellowship, of being a Partaker, being a Partner. If we explore the words Companion, Partner and Fellowship they speak of a relationship. In other words eating of the bread and drinking of the wine brings us into relationship with Christ that didn't exist before. There is a real analogy between the covenant meal which is participated in when a blood covenant is cut and the Last Supper. If you study Blood Covenants the participants of the covenant meal actually enter into the covenant even though they were not the covenant makers. In this application Jesus and God cut covenant but all that partake in the covenant meal known as the Last Supper became partakers of that covenant. This process became perpetual when Jesus commanded this meal be eating often. Thus we eat of the covenant meal we are becomming covenant people, partners in the covenant, active participants of the covenant. We are establishing a deeper relationship with Christ and God the Father. You are correct there are many different views of communion but most focus on the process of the act itself or the elements and what are their properties but I think this passage I Cor 10:14-22 takes us past men's bickerings to something many don't grasp. |
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5 | The significance of Communion | 1 Cor 10:14 | DocTrinsograce | 225522 | ||
Dear Ed, I agree with your conclusion, without agreeing with your hermeneutic. By the way, I had not realized that Pentecostals held to Covenantalism. I had thought that they held entirely to Dispensationalism. It was good to hear. Now, I would like to share one quote with you: "What is the Lord's supper? "The Lord's supper is a sacrament of the New Testament (Luke 22:20), wherein, by giving and receiving bread and wine according to the appointment of Jesus Christ, His death is showed forth; and they that worthily communicate feed upon His body and blood, to their spiritual nourishment and growth in grace (Matthew 26:26-28; 1 Corinthians 11:13-26); have their union and communion with him confirmed (1Corinthians 10:16; testify and renew their thankfulness (1 Corinthians 11:24), and engagement to God (1 Corinthians 10:14-16, 21) and their mutual love and fellowship each with other, as members of the same mystical body (1 Corinthians 10:17)." (Westminster Larger Catechism, question 168) I thought that the agreement with you of those "bickering" men might be of interest. In Him, Doc |
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6 | The significance of Communion | 1 Cor 10:14 | EdB | 225540 | ||
Doc I was looking not for agreement but rather discussion. Of the full meaning of Koinonia and what transpired spiritually when we took communion. I think the referenced quote from the Westminister Confession is excellent, however I'm trying to flesh out the "to their spiritual nourishment and growth in grace." That is a major part of Koinonia and something I see rarely if ever brought into focus. |
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