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1 | Baptized into his death | Rom 6:3 | stjohn | 204090 | ||
Dear Lookin: I don't think Brother Tim needs to do any footwork in this area, I think his question was indeed legitimate and I also see why he was concerned, and asked for clarification. Let me quote you if you please: "When we are baptized, we are putting on Christ. In baptism, we are identifying with His Death, and then when we come up out of the water, we are Identifying with His Resurrection. We are then Born Again, in Newness of life, we are new creatures in Christ." Now there are at least three of us who see from what you said in your post that you did indeed imply that at the point of water baptism that you are born again. This looks to me, that, at that, you are saying that you are then saved by water baptism. Can you see why we are looking for clarification? God bless John |
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2 | Baptized into his death | Rom 6:3 | lookinforacity | 204094 | ||
Hellow to you to John: You have apperantly read my last post to Tim, what was it that you didnt read, was it the fact that I said, (NO) I dont believe we have to be baptised in order to be saved , or was it the verse I posted 1Pet.3:21 And baptism, which is a figure [of their deliverance], does now also save you [from inward questionings and fears], not by the removing of outward body filth [bathing], but by [providing you with] the answer of a good and clear conscience (inward cleanness and peace) before God [because you are demonstrating what you believe to be yours] through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Does not that clarify it for you, if not I dont know what it is you need. Here are the words of Jesus himself, clarifying it for Nicodemus. 3Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? have a good day |
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3 | Baptized into his death | Rom 6:3 | stjohn | 204096 | ||
Hi Lookin: Apparently you are taking John 3:5 to mean water baptism. Jesus makes no mention of baptism with His use of the word water. Here is a good commentary that may help you with this. "except a man be born of water and of the Spirit: these are, twnv twlm, "two words", which express the same thing, as Kimchi observes in many places in his commentaries, and signify the grace of the Spirit of God. The Vulgate Latin and Ethiopic versions read, "the Holy Spirit", and so Nonnus; and who doubtless is intended: by "water", is not meant material water, or baptismal water; for water baptism is never expressed by water only, without some additional word, which shows, that the ordinance of water baptism is intended: nor has baptism any regenerating influence in it; a person may be baptized, as Simon Magus was, and yet not born again; and it is so far from having any such virtue, that a person ought to be born again, before he is admitted to that ordinance: and though submission to it is necessary, in order to a person's entrance into a Gospel church state; yet it is not necessary to the kingdom of heaven, or to eternal life and salvation: such a mistaken sense of this text, seems to have given the first birth and rise to infant baptism in the African churches; who taking the words in this bad sense, concluded their children must be baptized, or they could not be saved; whereas by "water" is meant, in a figurative and metaphorical sense, the grace of God, as it is elsewhere; see Eze 36:25. Which is the moving cause of this new birth, and according to which God begets men again to, a lively hope, and that by which it is effected; for it is by the grace of God, and not by the power of man's free will, that any are regenerated, or made new creatures: and if Nicodemus was an officer in the temple, that took care to provide water at the feasts, as Dr. Lightfoot thinks, and as it should seem Nicodemon ben Gorion was, by the story before related of him; See Gill on "Joh 3:1"; very pertinently does our Lord make mention of water, it being his own element: regeneration is sometimes ascribed to God the Father, as in 1Pe 1:3, and sometimes to the Son, 1Jo 2:29 and here to the Spirit, as in Tit 3:5, who convinces of sin, sanctifies, renews, works faith, and every other grace; begins and carries on the work of grace, unto perfection;" -- John Gill God bless John |
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