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1 | Did sin bring death into the world? | Rom 5:12 | Mr. Mel | 200310 | ||
Thanks, Doc The reason for my exclusion of Genesis 1 and 2 is that I am trying to come up with an unarguable text from Scripture in response to a book I've recently read promoting theistic evolution as a way of making peace with the theory of evolution. I have thought through many of the Biblical, or Creationist answers to why evolution is wrong, and have been able to come up with perfectly logical explanations/arguments for every one of them (from a theistic evolutionist's point of view), except this one: If scripture states clearly that sin brought physical death to the whole world (not just mankind, but animals, too), then evolution necessarily stands in conflict with scripture. The reason for excluding Genesis 1 and 2, is that, as you probably know, theistic evolutionists view this portion of the bible as poetic allegory, not historical fact. The verses you cited, are my favorites, but I'm not sure that they are conclusive. Yes, through one man, sin entered the world and death through sin. But was that physical (not spiritual) death (I believe Romans 5:13 allow us to conclude that it was physical death), and was that physical death to all living creatures, or just to mankind? I guess, I'm looking for answers about Eden, the Fall and the Curse, without using Genesis! Was there no death in the world before the Fall? Would Adam and Eve and their descendants have lived eternally with God, if they hadn't sinned? How about the animals? Did lions not eat lambs, or did hawks not eat rabbits before the Fall? Was there no cancer nor deadly disease? If death of animal life came through the fall, then I have my unarguable case, that macro-evolution of any variety (secular or theistic) is wrong. I am firm in my stand, that Genesis 1 and 2 are literal, historical accounts, but I am trying to come up with an open and shut case for those who may be in doubt. |
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2 | Did sin bring death into the world? | Rom 5:12 | 10ECPreacher | 200337 | ||
Mr. Mel, I have given this subject much thought over the years. In my opinion, the death spoken of in this text (Rom. 5:12) cannot be physical death if life before "the fall" was physical life as we now know it. According to some scholars, death begins the moment life begins. In order for life as we know it to be sustained, living things must constantly die. Big animals eat little animals; little animals eat insects and plants. Big fish eat little fish; little fish eat plankton and algae, etc. Even plants need the decaying matter of other organic things in order to live. It is my understanding that the cells in the human body are constantly being replaced by new cells in the cycle of life and living -- old cells die and new cells take their place (with the exception of certain brain cells). Apparently, the Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden was the source of man's "eternality" before the fall. After the fall, the Lord drove man from the Garden and prevented him from having access to the Tree of Life (Gen. 2:9, 3:22-24). My understand of the Bible message of Salvation is that Jesus Christ, by virtue of His sinless death on the Cross and subsequent resurrection from the dead, opened up the way to the "Tree of Life" (compare Rev. 2:7, 22:2,14); and as a result, whoever believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life (John 3:16). In summary, I don't believe the scripture supports the position that there was no "physical" death before "the fall". Blessings! |
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