Results 1 - 6 of 6
|
|
|||||
Results from: Answered Bible Questions, Answers, Unanswered Bible Questions, Notes Ordered by Verse | ||||||
Results | Verse | Author | ID# | |||
1 | Where did our conscience come from? | Rom 2:15 | azurelaw | 178085 | ||
Dear Rebar, Gen 2:9 And out of the ground the Lord God made to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight or to be desired--good (suitable, pleasant) for food; the tree of life also in the center of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of [the difference between] good and evil and blessing and calamity Gen 3:5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing the difference between good and evil and blessing and calamity. This is what Satan said when tempting Adam and Eve. One of consequences was that the couple's eyes were opened and they knew right and wrong. 1/ Do we get our conscience after the fall of Adam and Eve? or 2/ Was our conscience triggered after they after ate the forbbiden fruit from the knowledge tree? God bless. Azure |
||||||
2 | Where did our conscience come from? | Rom 2:15 | jlhetrick | 178090 | ||
Hey Azure, It's good to go back so far in history in search of better understanding of the topic. I believe though, that the two questions at the end of your post are actually the same question stated slightly differently. Will you be more clear regarding your point please. God bless, Jeff |
||||||
3 | Where did our conscience come from? | Rom 2:15 | azurelaw | 178102 | ||
Dear Jeff, Thanks for responding. My previous post is to respond to Rebar's comment "...it seems to me ...Romans 1:18-20...where Paul is saying our conscience is something created in us by God..., and the knowledge of the right way of things is built into us" (I omit some words in order to focus on the point I refer). So you can see from my questions and the quote of verses from Gen, my point is: 1/ If conscience is created in us, this should have been built in by God when He created Adam and we inherit it from Adam. However, comparing the 2 verses I quoted, I hardly see that consicence is created in us in the creation. 2/ The second question is that assume my above understanding is incorrect, I would consider our conscience did not work before Adam and Eve's fall (they ate the fruit of the knowledge tree), but was triggered to function after then. Despite my questions above, I don't think Romans 1:18-20 contradicts the verses of Gen discussed. There must be something I missed in understanding the whole picture which I need to clarify. However, in brother Doc's post responding to my above questions, he mentioned about Jesus Christ salvation in restoring Adam's sin. This could be an added insight for me to think and digest the issue for futher digging. Hope my point is clear now. So, what's your thoughts? Love in Christ. Azure |
||||||
4 | Where did our conscience come from? | Rom 2:15 | jlhetrick | 178132 | ||
Hi again Azure, thanks for responding. Actually, I was more focused on your questions as I observed them to actually be asking the same thing while being presented as two different possibilities. I'll repost them here for reference. 1/ Do we get our conscience after the fall of Adam and Eve? or 2/ Was our conscience triggered after they after ate the forbbiden fruit from the knowledge tree? Is not the time "after the fall.." and "after they ate..." the same thing? Anyway, that is what I was asking for clarification on. I share your need for further exploration and understanding on this issue. How awesome is that sister? That even the apparent simple things regarding our relationship with our creator, can be so deeply explored and better understood. We could really go deep in the few verses in Romans and actually prepare many sermons and bible studies from them. But not to be derailed from the primary message; that of the consequences of unbelief. With that in mind, a very obvious parallel can be drawn between the passage in Romans and that in Genesis. Specifically, that of unbelief and the very definate consequences. Those spoken of in Romans knew God and were without excuse. Adam and Eve knew God and were without excuse. How much is attributed to conscience (that is, their sense of right and wrong)verses the "knowledge". In other words, Adam and Eve knew God, they knew the specific does and don'ts, and they knew the consequence of disobedience. So an appropriate question might be; without the experience of the fall and the experience of the consequence, how "in tune" was their "conscience"? My personal experience causes me to frame it this way. I consider my own disobedience throughout my lifetime. Along the way, my disobedience, and the consequences of that disobedience has lead to a true evolution in my relationship with God. I'll try to explain. At one point when I disobeyed, I ended up feeling guilty and ashamed. Defeated in a way and encouraged to do better. To work harder and be a more "successful" Christian. It was mostly mechanical and focused on my own effort. There was God, the expectations were clear, and "I" failed to fullful them. Now, the expectations are the same. The truth is the same. God is the same. But my conscience, my sense of right and wrong, is more tuned to those expectations. More in tune with the truth and more in tune with God. I guess what I'm saying is that while God created me with a conscience, He developed that conscience through a series of experiences. Not that the experiences created the truth, but rather, they served to draw me closer and closer to the truth. This all has lead to a better understanding of my own inability and my total dependence on God; the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. It leaves me actually without excuse; and the closer I get to the truth of it, with a clearer conscience. The Cross, the blood... the resurrection. Very familiar words and considerations for all true Christians, while being made more and more understood and depended on all the time. God Bless, Jeff |
||||||
5 | Where did our conscience come from? | Rom 2:15 | DocTrinsograce | 178391 | ||
Dear Brother Jeff and Sister Azure, I came across this definition of conscience by the Edinburgh professor David Dickson written in 1664: "Conscience, as it doth respect ourselves, is the understanding power of our souls examining how matters do stand betwixt God and us, comparing His will revealed, with our state, condition and carriage, in thoughts, words or deeds, done or omitted, and passing judgment thereupon as the case requires." He taught that all "reasonings of conscience" were formed from what he called a "practical syllogism." The major premise he called duty (what we should or should not do) and the minor premise he called our state before God (obeying, disobeying, approved, under censure, justified, or condemned). Dickson argued that, as believers, we are to hone our conscience continuously and thoroughly with Scripture. The Puritan adage that "As we learn all to practice, we learn much by practice," seems to be particularly applicable in such an effort. Anyway, I thought this was an interesting and pertinent addition to our discussion. In Him, Doc |
||||||
6 | Where did our conscience come from? | Rom 2:15 | jlhetrick | 178393 | ||
Interesting indeed, and very insightful. Thanks! | ||||||