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1 | Two ways of thinking! | Rom 15:5 | Morant61 | 216506 | ||
Greetings All! There was an interesting discussion the other day about Rom. 15:5. That verse contained an interesting phrase, “May He give you the same to think among one another according to Christ Jesus”. The verb 'Phroneo – I think' is what struck my interest. As I did a little more research on this verb, it seems to be used in four primary ways in the New Testament. The first one is obvious, it simply means to think. But, in Rom. 15:5, it is used as an indication of unity of thought among believers. Thinking the same This meaning is also found in several other passages. I will list the NIV of each verse and then the literal translation of the phrase in question. Rom. 12:16 - “Live in harmony with one another. Do not be proud, but be willing to associate with people of low position. Do not be conceited.” Literally - “thinking the same among one another...” 2 Cor. 13:11 - “ Finally, brothers, good-by. Aim for perfection, listen to my appeal, be of one mind, live in peace. And the God of love and peace will be with you.” Literally - “the same think” Phil. 2:2 - “ then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose.” Literally - “the same may you think” and “thinking one” Phil. 2:5 - “Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:” Literally - “think this among you that also in Christ Jesus” Phil. 4:2 - “ I plead with Euodia and I plead with Syntyche to agree with each other in the Lord.” Literally - “the same to think in Lord” Thinking more highly of yourself A third way in which this verb is used is to indicate a humble way of thinking about one's self. Rom. 11:20 - “Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.” Literally - “stop thinking more highly, but be afraid” See also Rom. 12:3 and 12:16. Thinking the things of God Matt. 16:23 - “Jesus turned and said to Peter, ‘‘Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.” Literally - “because not you are thinking the things of God, but the things of men” See also Mark 8:33 This dichotomy is also expressed in Rom. 8:5 - “Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires.” Literally - “For those who are according to the flesh, they are thinking the things of the flesh, but those according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.” Phil. 3:19 - “Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is on earthly things.” Literally - “they the things of the earth are thinking” Summary Pulling all of this together, we find that there are two ways that we can think. We can engage in Godly thinking or worldly thinking. Godly thinking consists of holy living and unity amongst believers. Worldly thinking consists of fleshly living and arrogance. How are we going to think? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Two ways of thinking! | Rom 15:5 | Makarios | 216624 | ||
Greetings Tim! I apologize that I'm getting to this thread so late.. 'phroneo' - Strongs# G5426 "From G5424; to exercise the mind, that is, entertain or have a sentiment or opinion; by implication to be (mentally) disposed (more or less earnestly in a certain direction); intensively to interest oneself in (with concern or obedience): - set the affection on, (be) care (-ful), (be like-, be of one, be of the same, let this) mind (-ed, regard, savour, think." Possibly related to 'phren' Strongs# G5424 (understanding).. I found 'phroneo' in Col. 3:2.. Colossians 3:2 "Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth." (KJV) Interestingly, the KJV renders 'phroneo' as "affection" in this verse. Also interesting is the use of 'phroneo' in Philippians 4:10, of which the KJV renders "your care of me".. As for 'phren' (G5424), there is only 1 verse that has 'phren,' and it occurs twice: 1 Cor. 14:20 "Brothers, do not be children in your thinking. Be infants in evil, but in your thinking be mature." (ESV) In conclusion: if we engage in Godly thinking, then we will have unity with each other and be capable of showing the Godly care and compassion that we should be showing towards one another. If we engage in earthly thinking, then our thinking is no better than that of children. I pray that our thinking is much higher than that of children (1 Cor. 13:11), but if we are to ensure that our thinking is as such, then we are to apply Colossians 3:2. Blessings to you, Makarios |
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3 | Two ways of thinking! | Rom 15:5 | Morant61 | 216626 | ||
Greetings Makarios! It is an interesting family of words. Thanks for sharing my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Two ways of thinking! | Rom 15:5 | Makarios | 216634 | ||
Greetings Tim! I really liked what you did with 'phroneo' in the verses that you went over earlier, and agree with your conclusion. One other area that might be worthy of discussion concerning 'phroneo' could be Philippians 4:10, of which the KJV renders "your care of me".. It may be interesting to see what or if there is a textual connection between 'mind' and 'care,' since 'phroneo' is mentioned twice in this verse as well. Your Brother in Christ, Makarios |
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5 | Two ways of thinking! | Rom 15:5 | Morant61 | 216641 | ||
Greetings Makarios! Great question! Here is what A. T. Robertson says about this point: "Ye have revived (anethalete). Second aorist active indicative of old poetic word (Homer), anathallo, to sprout again, to shoot up, to blossom again. So in the lxx five times, though rare and literary word. Your thought for me (to huper emou phronein). Accusative case of the articular present active infinitive the object of anethalete used transitively. “You caused your thinking of me to bloom afresh.” Wherein (Ephesians' hoi). “In which,” “upon which” (locative case). A loose reference to Paul’s interests as involved in their thinking of him. Ye did indeed take thought (kai ephroneite). Imperfect active, “ye were also (or had been also) thinking.” Ye lacked opportunity (ekaireisthe). Imperfect middle of akaireomai, late and rare word, here only in N.T., from akairos (a privative, kairos), not to have a chance, the opposite of eukaireo (Mar 6:31)." Apparently, 'to think' is the object of the main verb 'to renew'. The connection between thinking and caring seems to be simply that 'thinking' indicates 'concern'. I'll try to check some other sources later. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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