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1 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95295 | ||
Gracefull: To believe that Christ bore man's sin on the cross is fully scriptural. But it is neither a small step nor does it point the way to believing that Christ suffered in hell for three days. It is no small step as you say; it is a giant leap, an heretical leap, that Scripture does not support nor did Martin Luther. WOF teaching on this subject is egregious error, it is blatantly false, it is wholly unorthodox, it is heresy of the first rank. Your quotations of Martin Luther, if they are, as they appear, designed to make Luther seem to be a forerunner of the Word Faith Movement, fall light years short of the mark, and your efforts to drag Luther into the WOF camp fall flat on their face. You are not going to be able to prove WOF teachings by Scripture, or by the Reformers, or by anyone else who adheres to Christian orthodoxy. The only people on the planet who buy into the WOF lies are those who have already been deceived by them or who are so ill versed in Scripture that they are vulnerable to them and are taken this false teaching. Jesus said on the cross, and He said it plainly, "It is finished." And Jesus never uttered a word that He didn't mean. --Hank Please see this web site for the complete document. http://ic.net/(squigly line)erasmus/RAZ499.HTM "Ancient Christian Commentary (general editor Thomas C. Oden, Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1998 - ):" "Given these sentiments, it should not surprise us that Luther frequently contradicts himself, as well as Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition. He even blasphemes Jesus by claiming that our Lord offered to be consigned to hell for us (as if it is possible for God the Son to be eternally separated from God the Father -- this is impossible to even consider as any sort of potentiality at all): He found Himself in a state of condemnation and abandonment . . . He actually and in truth offered Himself to the eternal Father to be consigned to eternal damnation for us. His human nature did not behave differently from that of a man who is to be condemned eternally to hell. On account of this love of God, God at once raised Him from death and hell, and so He overcame hell. [Grisar, ibid., vol. 1, 239-240; from Commentary on Romans (1515-1516); edition of J. Ficker, Leipzig: 1908, 218 ff.) But Christ took upon Himself all of our sin, and thus He died upon the cross. Therefore he had to become that which we are, namely a sinner, a murderer, evildoer, etc. . . . For insofar as he is a victim for the sins of the whole world, He is not now such a person as is innocent and without sin, is not God's Son in all glory, but a sinner, abandoned by God for a short time; Psalms 8:6. [Detailed Explanation of the Epistle to the Galatians, part 2, fourth argument, Walch edition, vol. 8, p. 2165, nos. 321-324; cf. Commentary on Galatians, tr Erasmus Middleton, ed. J.P. Fallowes, London: 1850; reprinted by Kregel Publications, Grand Rapids, MI, 1979, 164-165] This is heresy. Jesus (being God incarnate) cannot cease to be holy at any time, nor can he be a "sinner" -- not even on the cross. But Luther goes on and on in this line of thinking: " I truly mean this Hank Thank you for challenging me to continue to check my facts. Again ,this is simply to point out that this teaching did not 'originate' with WOF teachers... This should also challenge those who believe this teaching originated with a vision? Apparently this teaching goes back at least as far as the late 1500's existed. God bless |
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2 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | DarcyA | 95405 | ||
Gracefull, Why would you sink so low as even putting Martin Luther as the founding father of WoF? WoF first of is Americianized. Give that same message of speak it and recieve it to those Christians in the muslim world who are dieing for thier FAITH which is in Jesus Christ not their voice boxes! Or preach the speak it recieve it to a mute. |
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3 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95446 | ||
Non scriptural response. God bless |
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4 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | DarcyA | 95450 | ||
Which part of that was I suppose to have a scripture on? Lets see: Matt 5:10 "Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 2 Tim 3:12 Indeed, all who desire to live godly in Christ Jesus will be persecuted. |
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5 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95457 | ||
Darcy, How would you respond if you were invited to someone's home (the Lockland Foundation) and you were told the group would be diverse in scriptural understanding, therefore there are rules of engagement that must be adhered to. Would you demonstrate such an arrogant response even if you felt like it? How long would you be allowed to stay? This forum study would be much more productive and a much better place for other believers who wonder in. Did your post meet even most of the following criteria? 1. This post is biblically based and whenever possible, I have included Bible references to support it. 2. This post is not intended as a personal attack on the authority of the Bible or on other users of this forum. 3. This post is not submitted as an effort to foster divisiveness, ill-will, dissension or other disruptions to this forum. 4. I have carefully proofread my post and believe it represents my best efforts. Most of your posts to me have missed three out of four. Proverbs 16:19 Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud. 1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. God bless |
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6 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | DarcyA | 95459 | ||
Jer 14:14 Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name. I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them; they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds. Jer 23:14 "Also among the prophets of Jerusalem I have seen a horrible thing: The committing of adultery and walking in falsehood; And they strengthen the hands of evildoers, So that no one has turned back from his wickedness. All of them have become to Me like Sodom, And her inhabitants like Gomorrah. And 2 Peter 2 2 Tim 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with great patience and instruction How much longer are we (believers in Christ) suppose to allow this heresy that you been teaching on this forum to go on. You called Jesus a little warm when proven wrong you kept defending your stand. We have all tried to rebuke in a loving way. But you keep on going. You know say the Martin Luther believed the same thing as your WoF. And when we defend it you say no scriptural support trying to put the blame on us. When you yourself had no scripture. You mentioned about the lockman foundition house. I ask you this Would you walk into a Christian home and call Jesus a mere little worm? Ifd you did that in my home, This might not the Christian behaviour, but you would be rebuked and kicked out. In Christ |
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