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1 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95295 | ||
Gracefull: To believe that Christ bore man's sin on the cross is fully scriptural. But it is neither a small step nor does it point the way to believing that Christ suffered in hell for three days. It is no small step as you say; it is a giant leap, an heretical leap, that Scripture does not support nor did Martin Luther. WOF teaching on this subject is egregious error, it is blatantly false, it is wholly unorthodox, it is heresy of the first rank. Your quotations of Martin Luther, if they are, as they appear, designed to make Luther seem to be a forerunner of the Word Faith Movement, fall light years short of the mark, and your efforts to drag Luther into the WOF camp fall flat on their face. You are not going to be able to prove WOF teachings by Scripture, or by the Reformers, or by anyone else who adheres to Christian orthodoxy. The only people on the planet who buy into the WOF lies are those who have already been deceived by them or who are so ill versed in Scripture that they are vulnerable to them and are taken this false teaching. Jesus said on the cross, and He said it plainly, "It is finished." And Jesus never uttered a word that He didn't mean. --Hank Please see this web site for the complete document. http://ic.net/(squigly line)erasmus/RAZ499.HTM "Ancient Christian Commentary (general editor Thomas C. Oden, Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1998 - ):" "Given these sentiments, it should not surprise us that Luther frequently contradicts himself, as well as Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition. He even blasphemes Jesus by claiming that our Lord offered to be consigned to hell for us (as if it is possible for God the Son to be eternally separated from God the Father -- this is impossible to even consider as any sort of potentiality at all): He found Himself in a state of condemnation and abandonment . . . He actually and in truth offered Himself to the eternal Father to be consigned to eternal damnation for us. His human nature did not behave differently from that of a man who is to be condemned eternally to hell. On account of this love of God, God at once raised Him from death and hell, and so He overcame hell. [Grisar, ibid., vol. 1, 239-240; from Commentary on Romans (1515-1516); edition of J. Ficker, Leipzig: 1908, 218 ff.) But Christ took upon Himself all of our sin, and thus He died upon the cross. Therefore he had to become that which we are, namely a sinner, a murderer, evildoer, etc. . . . For insofar as he is a victim for the sins of the whole world, He is not now such a person as is innocent and without sin, is not God's Son in all glory, but a sinner, abandoned by God for a short time; Psalms 8:6. [Detailed Explanation of the Epistle to the Galatians, part 2, fourth argument, Walch edition, vol. 8, p. 2165, nos. 321-324; cf. Commentary on Galatians, tr Erasmus Middleton, ed. J.P. Fallowes, London: 1850; reprinted by Kregel Publications, Grand Rapids, MI, 1979, 164-165] This is heresy. Jesus (being God incarnate) cannot cease to be holy at any time, nor can he be a "sinner" -- not even on the cross. But Luther goes on and on in this line of thinking: " I truly mean this Hank Thank you for challenging me to continue to check my facts. Again ,this is simply to point out that this teaching did not 'originate' with WOF teachers... This should also challenge those who believe this teaching originated with a vision? Apparently this teaching goes back at least as far as the late 1500's existed. God bless |
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2 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | John Reformed | 95308 | ||
Gracefull, Erasmus was a Roman Catholic theologian. It is no surprise that he would oppose Luther and Calvin. His arguements were destroyed in Luther's "Bondage of the Will". John |
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3 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95310 | ||
Hi John, Thank you for the post..I gathered as much from the full document. Please re read Hank's post copied into mine to get the history behind this post. The point of the post... Erasmus's reference to Martin Luther's quote was the main text. His response, however, is identical to the response received by myself and others who questioned this teaching... The point of the post is that the teaching that Jesus died as a sinner, bearing our sin judgement-not His own, and paid our sin debt is as old as Martin Luther,(most likely much older) and not new, originating in the early 1900's (through a vision?) as has been previously stated. God bless |
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4 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | EdB | 95312 | ||
Graceful I’m glad you pointed that out, isn’t it just like those mischievous WOFers to take something that has been around for hundreds of years and say they received it in a vision. More proof you can’t believe a thing they say. Those guys will say anything to try to get you to buy into what they are selling. What is the world coming to! EdB |
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