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1 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | gracefull | 95295 | ||
Gracefull: To believe that Christ bore man's sin on the cross is fully scriptural. But it is neither a small step nor does it point the way to believing that Christ suffered in hell for three days. It is no small step as you say; it is a giant leap, an heretical leap, that Scripture does not support nor did Martin Luther. WOF teaching on this subject is egregious error, it is blatantly false, it is wholly unorthodox, it is heresy of the first rank. Your quotations of Martin Luther, if they are, as they appear, designed to make Luther seem to be a forerunner of the Word Faith Movement, fall light years short of the mark, and your efforts to drag Luther into the WOF camp fall flat on their face. You are not going to be able to prove WOF teachings by Scripture, or by the Reformers, or by anyone else who adheres to Christian orthodoxy. The only people on the planet who buy into the WOF lies are those who have already been deceived by them or who are so ill versed in Scripture that they are vulnerable to them and are taken this false teaching. Jesus said on the cross, and He said it plainly, "It is finished." And Jesus never uttered a word that He didn't mean. --Hank Please see this web site for the complete document. http://ic.net/(squigly line)erasmus/RAZ499.HTM "Ancient Christian Commentary (general editor Thomas C. Oden, Downers Grove, IL: InterVarsity Press, 1998 - ):" "Given these sentiments, it should not surprise us that Luther frequently contradicts himself, as well as Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition. He even blasphemes Jesus by claiming that our Lord offered to be consigned to hell for us (as if it is possible for God the Son to be eternally separated from God the Father -- this is impossible to even consider as any sort of potentiality at all): He found Himself in a state of condemnation and abandonment . . . He actually and in truth offered Himself to the eternal Father to be consigned to eternal damnation for us. His human nature did not behave differently from that of a man who is to be condemned eternally to hell. On account of this love of God, God at once raised Him from death and hell, and so He overcame hell. [Grisar, ibid., vol. 1, 239-240; from Commentary on Romans (1515-1516); edition of J. Ficker, Leipzig: 1908, 218 ff.) But Christ took upon Himself all of our sin, and thus He died upon the cross. Therefore he had to become that which we are, namely a sinner, a murderer, evildoer, etc. . . . For insofar as he is a victim for the sins of the whole world, He is not now such a person as is innocent and without sin, is not God's Son in all glory, but a sinner, abandoned by God for a short time; Psalms 8:6. [Detailed Explanation of the Epistle to the Galatians, part 2, fourth argument, Walch edition, vol. 8, p. 2165, nos. 321-324; cf. Commentary on Galatians, tr Erasmus Middleton, ed. J.P. Fallowes, London: 1850; reprinted by Kregel Publications, Grand Rapids, MI, 1979, 164-165] This is heresy. Jesus (being God incarnate) cannot cease to be holy at any time, nor can he be a "sinner" -- not even on the cross. But Luther goes on and on in this line of thinking: " I truly mean this Hank Thank you for challenging me to continue to check my facts. Again ,this is simply to point out that this teaching did not 'originate' with WOF teachers... This should also challenge those who believe this teaching originated with a vision? Apparently this teaching goes back at least as far as the late 1500's existed. God bless |
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2 | What did Martin Luther believe? | Acts 2:25 | EdB | 95305 | ||
Graceful Many false teachings die and are born again. As Solomon said there is nothing new under the sun. Much of what we call "New Age" is really Gnosticism of the first century. How the falsehood comes into being is less important than how it is being spread and who is supportting it. As I and others have already stated the question isn’t over Jesus taking our sins or even that He went to Hell. The question being debated is did Jesus have to go to hell to be punished for our sins and thus was tormented there or did He go to hell to preach and lead captive captivity from Abraham’s bosom as 1Peter and Ephesians state. Building upon that the question then become is hell even a place of punishment or is it in fact merely a holding place for the dead as Jewish tradition has always held and Revelation seems to confirm by pointing to the Lake of Fire as the place of punishment of the unrighteous dead. In any case whether Jesus went to hell or not and even if he was tormented there or not is still a awful long ways from calling Jesus and emancipated wormy spirit. And that is what the man your defending said about Jesus. EdB |
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