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1 | Is there intelligent life on earth? | John 17:17 | Morant61 | 143094 | ||
Greetings Doc! One last try my friend! I am not putting words in your mouth, I am trying to point out that the 'regulative principle' you sent me is not Biblical. In it, the claim is made that unless something is specifically commanded in Scripture, it is false worship. Scripture mentions preaching, but it never commands us to preach a sermon from a pulpit during the Sunday morning worship! :-) Therefore, according to the 'regulative principle' this would be false worship. Scripture mentions praising the Lord with various instruments, but it never mentions pianos or organs. Therefore, according to the 'regulative principle, this would be false worship. Further, the 'regulative principle' claims that worship is spelled out in detail for us in the Bible. I was trying to point out this is not true. Do you understand what I am trying to say with these examples? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Is there intelligent life on earth? | John 17:17 | DocTrinsograce | 143097 | ||
Hello, brother Tim... The regulative principle has nothing to say regarding such pianos and organs. Think more broadly than that. Okay, here is what we are *now* contending over: The statement that "unless something is specifically commanded in Scripture, it is false worship." (Which is only one part of the regulative principle.) The regulative principle is based on a number of fundamental principles. Here are a few of them: "The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience." This is based on many scriptures, but includes 2 Timothy 3:15-17, Isaiah 8:20, Luke 16:29-31, Ephesians 2:20, Romans 1:19-21, Romans 2:14-15, Psalms 19:1-3, Proverbs 22:19-21; Romans 15:4; 2 Peter 1:19-20) "The authority of the Holy Scripture, for which it ought to be believed, dependeth not upon the testimony of any man or church, but wholly upon God (Who is truth itself), the Author thereof; therefore it is to be received because it is the Word of God." Some of the scriptures for this position are 2 Peter 1:19-21, 2 Timothy 3:16, 2 Thessalonians 2:13, and 1 John 5:9. "The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His Own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down or necessarily contained in the Holy Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelation of the Spirit, or traditions of men." Some of the scriptures for this are 2 Timothy 3:15-17, Galatians 1:8-9, John 6:45, 1 Corinthians 2:9-12, 1 Corinthians 11:13-14; 1 Corinthians 14:26, 40. We are commanded to worship God (John 4:23-24 and elsewhere). Worship can be acceptable to God or unacceptable to God (Luke 18:10-14, Amos 5:21-25, Genesis 8:21, and elsewhere). For our purposes a good definition of worship comes from Dr. Wayne Grudem ("Systematic Theology" page 1003), "Worship is the activity of glorifying God in His presence with our voices and hearts." Thus, the statement "unless something is specifically commanded in Scripture, it is false worship" can be understood as follows: If (1) scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule for obedience, and (2) the whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His Own glory, then it follows that scripture explicitly tells us how to worship. If there are things that we can add to how we worship, then we are saying that the scriptures are not sufficient or complete. Any additions to the Word of God are forbidden (Rev 22:19). Of course, if one disagrees with any of the presuppositions, then it is possible to disagree with the "false worship" conclusion. For example, if a person believes that there is a greater authority for how we ought to worship than the Word itself, etc. The regulative principle is about HOW we approach God in worship. It calls for us to deal with Who He actually is. It calls us to accept Him as the Almighty Lord God, the Judge of Heaven and Earth, the Holy Father. Therefore we come before Him in humility, reverence, fear, and awe. I've probably done poorly at explaining all this. (Proof of my inadequate job will be more questions about tempo or instrumentation.) Worship is an important subject. I hope that I've adequately explained how deeply important it is to those of us who look to the Word of God for guidance in all areas of obedience. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Is there intelligent life on earth? | John 17:17 | Morant61 | 143116 | ||
Greetings Doc! You wrote: "Okay, here is what we are *now* contending over:" If you don't want to discuss issues, why are you on the forum? :-) If you want to discuss this issue in the future, I'll be willing! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Is there intelligent life on earth? | John 17:17 | DocTrinsograce | 143134 | ||
Dear Brother Tim, Please forgive the contradiction, but I have no problem discussing issues (as evidenced by the large post that followed your quote). If I have a problem discussing issues, I will write something like, "Hey, Tim, I don't want to discuss issues." (Another example of that unidirectional prohibition on interpolating?) Although I haven't been able to address every issue brought up, I thought I had kept up with the major, though diverse, ones. Please forgive me, brother, if this hasn't been adequate or up to proper standards. I also apologize if I've done an inadequate job of laying down the fundamental principles of sola scriptura. Orthodoxy understands the nature of man such that everything he does is tainted by sin (Genesis 2:16-17,3:12-13, 2 Corinthians 11:3, Romans 5:12-19, 1 Corinthians 15:21-22,45,49, Psalms 51:5, Job 14:4, Ephesians 2:3, Romans 6:20,5:12, Hebrews 2:14-15, 1 Thessalonians 1:10, and others). Anything tainted by sin is an offense to God. Therefore, any additions in worship than those He prescribes, cannot please Him, since they will necessarily be rooted in the will and imagination of man. Now various people would and do object to this. For example, an Eastern Orthodox person might say, "No, we believe that the Church has the authority to add elements of worship." He can logically do that because he admits to a fundamental disagreement with sola scriptura. He believes that his Church has at least as much authority, if not more. Some kinds of Charismatic might also object, "No, I believe that the Holy Spirit can move me to do things that are not prescribed in scripture." He can logically do that because he admits to a fundamental disagreement with sola scriptura. He believes that the moving of the Spirit within him has at least as much authority, if not more. Those are just hypothetical examples. What I'm trying to say is that disagreement with the fundamental principles can lead to different conclusions. On the other hand, if the fundamental posits are true, then the conclusion of the syllogism must also be true. I hope this along with my last post explains the reasoning behind our last point of contention. Thank you for your patience. In Him, Doc |
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