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1 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | srbaegon | 100665 | ||
Hello Ken, Searcher is correct. To add to the Scriptural support I would give: 1 Cor. 12:13 (ESV) For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body? Jews or Greeks, slaves or free?and all were made to drink of one Spirit. We were all baptized. It is completed. Not one is left out. Your interpretation of John 1:12 as a gradual process from belief to sonship is invalid. Steve |
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2 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Ken hepting | 100680 | ||
[We were all baptized. It is completed. Not one is left out. Your interpretation of John 1:12 as a gradual process from belief to sonship is invalid.] Nope..From glory to Glory He changes us. 2 Cor. 3:18 (KJV) But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. "When any person is converted to God, then the veil of ignorance is taken away. The condition of those who enjoy and believe the gospel is happy, for the heart is set at liberty to run the ways of God’s commandments. They have light, and with open face they behold the glory of the Lord. Christians should prize and improve these privileges. We should not rest contented without knowing the transforming power of the gospel, by the working of the Spirit, bringing us to seek to be like the temper and tendency of the glorious gospel of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and into union with Him."....Matt. Henry Notice Henry is saying "when a person is converted"...Not just saved. A saved person is made innocent. Now he must be made pure. Surely his theology is ok in your estemation? I think you are invalid, Steve. You don't know what imputation and impartation mean. If you do then you should see that one is immediate and the other as you can handle it. |
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3 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Hank | 100689 | ||
Ken hepting - Your quote of Matthew Henry is correct. He said, "When a person is converted to God, then the veil of ignorance is taken away." Matthew Henry did not add "...not just saved." You did. What do you think Matthew Henry meant when he said "converted?" A few clear sentences will do better than a long string of murky ones, Ken, if you please. --Hank | ||||||
4 | Was this man saved without Baptism | Luke 23:40 | Ken hepting | 100693 | ||
That's right, I did. That's how I read him in an objective way. You read him your way. I think I'm right and have proven it so in my own life. [What do you think Matthew Henry meant when he said "converted?" A few clear sentences will do better than a long string of murky ones, Ken, if you please. --Hank] I'll do my best, Hank. Converted can't mean "just saved" because too many "saved" aren't. Is that deep enough not to be "murky"? Too many "saved people" who claim to be His Church are going to be in for rude awakening at Rapture time. It might well be the "Greatest Awakening". If you still think I'm wrong about that consider that Jesus is coming for Church without "spot or wrinkle".....Know any? |
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